"I always see average men dating..."

Suspicious-Candle123 · 2025-04-05T18:46:25+00:00

I actually feel like it is the exact opposite. I see plenty of "average" guys with overweight and generally unattractive girlfriends, and good-looking guys with average girlfriends. The standards seem to be highly in favour of women in the dating game.

Maybe it is some sort of unconscious bias or something(I cannot rule this out as I obviously am just one person and therefore don't represent a large enough sample size), but this is at least my experience.

GoldenFutureForUs · 2025-04-05T18:51:01+00:00

Honestly, these women just hate men. The female equivalent of the men they’re talking about would be a 7 or 8. They can’t get past their hate of men, so they see anyone that isn’t model tier as average.

Have you seen the hate comments about Ryan Gosling? Women in their thousands call him average. Lol, he is at least an 8 out of 10. He’s not a supermodel, but he’s well above average. Yet women can’t stand him because he gets Margot as his equivalent in Barbie, plus other attractive women in other films. They hate on him because they don’t like seeing non-model men having attractive partners. These women are desperate to die alone or in a lesbian relationship. They’re misandrist and anti-men.

ruifaf · 2025-04-05T23:27:37+00:00

I stayed pretty much invisible in my prime years. It was frustrating and I absolutely quit the dating scene. I was not aiming for someone out of my league. After I decided to invest in building my house and having some assets (thinking in retirement) some woman my age started to approach. After knowing them a bit I can tell they are not interested in my house or in what I have (they have their jobs, house and life going on) They just give the impression they feel lonely and just looking for someone to be by their side.

Their youth looks isn't there anymore and probably they quit chasing prince charming. Two of them look gorgeous in their early years and way out of my league. But now I see no purpose of entering in a relationship. The biological call to take care of someone and raise a family isn't there anymore. I just want to keep going with my established life, gathering with family and friends and focusing on my work.

Life doesn't have a reset button. It's too late for all of us (from my point of view). I accept it. By looking into their eyes I can see sadness. We messed up

SprooseGoose94 · 2025-04-05T23:42:32+00:00

It's just bias. Every single woman is beautiful in their eyes and every single man is a gargoyle that snuck onto earth from hell.

It's funny when these discussions come up though. The actuality of the situation is that men probably aren't actually as ugly as society says they are and women are not as pretty as society says they are. I legit NEVER see folk actually paint men in a positive light in these discussions lmao.

Most average people are dating other average people. People are just biased in favour of women. I'd just ignore and tune out whenever folk start saying that

CeleryMan20 · 2025-04-05T20:13:05+00:00

On YouTube, hoe_math* talks extensively about low-mid men being invisible to single women, and skewed perceptions. He uses a two-axis classification of hotness/manliness vs money/resources/commitment.(*Unfortunate moniker, but he’s become well-known under that pseudonym.)

The two-factor framework ties into the concept that women will lust after the hot bad boy (alpha fucks) and settle for the stable good-guy provider (beta bucks). The male equivalent would be the old trope “yeah, but she has a great personality”.

Psychologist Orion Taraban’s approach to sexual market value incorporates physical attractiveness, earning potential, personality, and other factors. So he would probably side with the view that a average-looking guy can still get female interest if he displays markers of other desirable factors. (Not all his stuff is relational economics, he does cover other psychology topics, but he seems to have found an audience in the SMV area.)

Naive-Ad1268 · 2025-04-05T18:39:20+00:00

yeah man, but the thing is that money is the god that we all pray to. If the guy is having money then no matter how he is, he will always get girls

StubbornSob · 2025-04-05T23:35:11+00:00

It depends on the demographic you look at. But a number of middle-class women have this mindset, yes. Think the Starbucks latte, TikTok, social media influencer types. An above-average guy is average to them, while average and below are invisible to them, in that most of the time they won't remember they even exist.

Virtual_Piece · 2025-04-05T21:08:13+00:00

There's also the possibility of these women settling, or just good Ole beta bucksing. There is a possibility of the relationship being formed from genuine love and care but would you bet your house on it?

Just_an_user_160 · 2025-04-05T22:43:17+00:00

Women date up so they usually date men more attractive than themselves, also average man sees the average woman as beautiful or moderately attractive, but average woman see average man as plain and uninteresting(not attractive), so they prefer above average even if they think they are "regular" men since they don't pay much attention to average man.

B1G_Fan · 2025-04-05T19:02:40+00:00

“I see average men dating/marrying above average looking women”

Perhaps it’s true, but are those men contently married to those women?

If not, no amount of lecturing is going to change men’s behavior. Men are going to keep tapping out and refusing to undergo the 5-15 year process of becoming a husband, father, and provider if being married isn’t an endeavor worth pursuing

East_Meeting_667 · 2025-04-05T19:55:00+00:00

I read something that non attractive guys are noticed the same as a fire extinguisher or a plant. Something to walk around but not worth considering. So average for what draws her attention.

JoryATL · 2025-04-05T18:53:30+00:00

I’d put myself as an average median salary median looks above average charm, and confidence as what I believe raises me up into the 78 category

It’s never been about money or about luxe it’s about desirability my basic successes have been when she starts looking because everyone else is looking go find your platform suddenly you will raise yourself above the average

LogicalMRA · 2025-04-05T18:58:15+00:00

I think what both a lot of men and women don't understand is that attraction works very differently for men and women. As men we have on average 10-20 times the testosterone level and different brain structure and functions and this definitely contributes to the disparity, you can't overcome thousands and millions of years of evolution.

Therefore, looks for men don't tend to matter as much (they still definitely are a bonus) as they do for women, which a lot of these people can't comprehend.

Also in most cases, a lot of these "unattractive" men have other characteristics that make up for it, tall height, broad shoulders, money and status, god personality etc.

And also as you rightly pointed out, as a man nobody cares much about your looks unless you're strikingly handsome.

Men and women are different.

PearMyPie · 2025-04-05T19:10:52+00:00

Thinking in attractiveness grades already tends towards incel behavior. Actually your post has nothing to do with rights of any kind lmfao

CooperSterling-4572 · 2025-04-06T01:11:53+00:00

I am in my 30s. I refuse to use terms like "a 7-8" or a "5" to refer to people. I say "an attractive woman", a handsome guy. Not using numbers like I am 17. I think it might be generational.

I will admit that I am an "average" guy, and I have dated and married attractive women. I think a lot more goes into this than just "number metrics".

AcademicPollution631 · 2025-04-06T02:47:05+00:00

The red pill lurkers have invaded yet again.

Title	"I always see average men dating..."
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Date	April 5, 2025 6:27 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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