Men’s group contested

murphtaf · 2014-03-24T15:34:09+00:00

“She is an English professor; she has no background in feminism,” she told the Journal. “She has no background in political studies and she has no background in women and gender studies.”

I really liked that bit. It's as though the woman who's contesting the Men's Rights group believes that in order to criticize feminism, you must first be taught what the issues are... by a feminist.

I think that and the whole 'you're against feminism? You're a rape-apologist, a victim-blamer, a misogynist, and a masochist' are two big ways that feminists try to shut down arguments against them. It's sort of funny how a movement, that claims it's so essential to not only women but men too, has to spend so much time trying to shut anyone who disagrees with or challenges them out of the conversation. While also in the same breath claiming that they want equality and everyone should have the same chances and opportunities.

EDIT:

unsettling for its insistence that no matter what a woman does — no matter how careless and irresponsible — she is always innocent

Also, I'm glad that she said this because I personally think it's true not only of the 'Don't Be That Guy' campaign, but of feminism at its core and I don't see how this could in any way be empowering to women when all they're told is that they're victims, and nothing more.

cri_nge · 2014-03-24T16:13:11+00:00

I find it highly amusing that rainn just had a bit about denouncing rape culture hysteria right around the same time as this incident. Their argument was literally "Gathering to discuss men's issues promotes rape culture" and that's specifically the attitude denounced by the most well funded rape advocacy group in the US.

http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria/ if anyone wants the source to what I'm talking about.

Bla34112 · 2014-03-24T15:46:31+00:00

“Ratification does not mean we endorse the views of the club but they align with the policies of the AMS and are not in violation of our constitution,” Olver stated at Assembly.

Following the motion’s failure, co-organizer of the opposition group Ashley Burnie said she was disappointed in the AMS, accusing it of acting in accordance with “systemic oppression.”

“It’s built into the institution itself, so it’s not surprising,” she said. “It’s not outside of that oppression.”

Again.. lol.

Bla34112 · 2014-03-24T15:45:58+00:00

“She is an English professor; she has no background in feminism,” she told the Journal. “She has no background in political studies and she has no background in women and gender studies.”

Lol...

Sebatron2 · 2014-03-24T17:16:39+00:00

At Assembly, members argued that it would set a dangerous precedent to de-ratify a club on ideological grounds, while others argued that it would be premature to de-ratify the club based on future actions.

At least there were people smart enough to see that at the Assembly.

Edit: Forgot a word.

Noel_S_Jytemotiv · 2014-03-24T16:03:50+00:00

Why isn't "rape culture" properly in quotes?

Unenjoyed · 2014-03-24T16:37:03+00:00

...further perpetuated rape culture...

Gosh, I don't think they should have a rape culture, at all.

;)

TracyMorganFreeman · 2014-03-24T23:10:16+00:00

further perpetuated rape culture.

I find it interesting that the people most often claiming what perpetuates rape culture are the ones defining it and using it to justify policies that benefit them.

Couldn't be a conflict of interest there at all. /s

edtastic · 2014-03-24T20:41:13+00:00

We have 17 comments here and 5 on that article. Your voices need to be heard by those outside this forum.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-03-25T05:22:39+00:00

Fiamengo and a men's group promoting rape culture?

Really?

Criticizing a probably-ineffective "anti-rape" campaign which, as the Lisak study showed, only addresses 10% of rapes (i.e. rapes which are caused by misconceptions about consent) is hardly being in favor of rape culture.

Being against collectively blaming men or 'male culture' for a crime perpetrated by a very small minority of sociopaths is hardly being in favor of rape culture.

Meanwhile, our society's most explicit and unchallenged rape culture encourages the rape of men. "Erections are consent," "sure, she was 29 and he was 15 but WOW she was a minx! Lucky boy!," and "being raped in prison is part of the punishment" are almost never seriously challenged.

And, of course, "its not rape if she rapes you by envelopment" is actively promoted by certain feminists.

Yes, there are some myths and tropes and expectations in our culture which can, even if unintentionally, make life easier for rapists or blur the lines of consent/non-consent. Some of these still effect women, but these are all consistently challenged.

A lot of these myths and tropes and expectations effect men. But the 'rape culture' discourse doesn't care for male rape victims.

Xsinthis · 2014-03-25T03:23:06+00:00

I went to college in Kingston, I'm actually really surprised that there is a Men's Group in Queens (I did not go to Queens).

Then again, considering the supposed gender ratio there, maybe it's not that much of a surprise...

Snowdens_BTC_Wallet · 2014-03-27T20:33:11+00:00

“She is an English professor; she has no background in feminism,” she told the Journal. “She has no background in political studies and she has no background in women and gender studies.”

Ahem:

“We claim that the falsifying of rape culture, which says that certain people are disproportionately attacked and are rape victims, and whether intentionally or not, is harmful,” Nawal, ArtSci ’14, told the Journal.

Title	Men’s group contested
Author	AlphaWookie
Upvotes	109
Comments	27
Date	March 24, 2014 12:35 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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