MRAs should reject PETER HITCHENS' conservative lament that feminism turned women into 'wage slaves with nightmare lives'. The male breadwinner gender stereotype is not good for men.

coolfunkDJ · 2025-09-05T15:43:02+00:00

You all should watch Peter Hitchens freakout on Alex o Connor and you’ll never take anything he says seriously again

Which_Ad_3917 · 2025-09-05T11:16:32+00:00

1000%

Feminism sells. Both the left and the right will invoke women’s “suffering” to get sympathy for their cause

RennietheAquarian · 2025-09-05T18:04:31+00:00

Men are wage slaves too, but nobody seems to care.

GarlicFalse3779 · 2025-09-05T10:05:23+00:00

The problem of being an employee only came to be seen as a problem because of women, before being a "working man" was a compliment, now it has become a mockery, it only works if you are a businessman earning 6 figures and having an unemployed man available for his wife

ProtectIntegrity · 2025-09-05T09:50:51+00:00

The inferior Hitchens.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2025-09-07T09:17:20+00:00

Agreed. This whole "women find it so hard at work" thing makes me groan. Men often face deep challenges in their jobs/careers, too.

Some-Cup8043 · 2025-09-05T10:30:59+00:00

I think the logic is that one, working women as a whole seem to if anything demand more of men. Look at the divorce rates of men who makes less than their wife. Two, instincts are a thing and most women are drawn to "breadwinner" types. Instead of fighting against instincts, this goes along with them.

Banake · 2025-09-07T11:34:23+00:00

Tradcons will tradcon, I guess.

Humble-Zucchini-6237 · 2025-09-07T13:43:44+00:00

MRAs should not automatically upvote someone because they criticize feminism

Thank you for saying what needs to be said. Men need to be more vigilant.

Banake · 2025-09-07T20:56:02+00:00

Thirdly, the whole 'wage slave' slogan is Marxist nonsense. A vast majority of people sell their labour to companies, and no, we are not slaves.

Being fair, a lot of non marxists used, if not the term, similar concepts, including Hilaire Belloc, who was a distributist (that, I guess, you could say is a 'right wing' school of political thinking, despite being a heterodox one, with some 'left wing' flavor in economics.) I read to read more carefully, but I think that this article supports my claim:

“They think of themselves,” Belloc judges, not as citizens but “as wage earners.” “We are reestablishing the slave,” the “wage slave.” We use this last term as a figure of speech; Belloc meant it.

Throw_r_a_2021 · 2025-09-05T11:58:38+00:00

I’m not really allowed to post on reddit what I think about this topic, but suffice it to say that I disagree with your premise that men being the breadwinner of the family is a bad thing.

Subject-Storage4232 · 2025-09-05T23:36:53+00:00

This is what makes me despise those types of ultra conservative men who mock our current generation of men for being weak (and in asian societies, we are called the 'strawberry' generation, WTF?)

We don't want to force the women to go back to the kitchen or make babies for us. We want men and women to come together, respect each other's rights and work for a better future.

king_rootin_tootin · 2025-09-06T13:21:01+00:00

I agree 100 percent

EnvironmentalRow996 · 2025-09-06T15:09:31+00:00

You're right, but there's only so many stable societies.

Patriarchy where father husband had responsibility and authority got us to advanced civilization.

Granting women legal supremacy and dominance in education, academia, law, policing, government, corporations etc. is causing our population to shrink by 20% per generation in the USA.

One way or another we are getting replaced.

LateralThinker13 · 2025-09-08T21:19:52+00:00

Firstly, women do not have nightmarish lives.

Ah, but they FEEL like they do. Surveys have shown steadily declining women's happiness across the western world since the 1960s.

Secondly, why is it bad for a woman to be a 'wage slave', but it is ok for a man?

Because society only cares how women feel. Men are disposable.

Thirdly, the whole 'wage slave' slogan is Marxist nonsense.

Is it? We do not live in a post-scarcity economy. We work to feed ourselves, or we starve and die. We are a slave to our biology and our needs, which very much have not been overcome. The term "slave" may be strong, emotional, and evocative, but it's not wholly inaccurate.

Inevitable-Tennis-49 · 2025-09-05T10:02:30+00:00

Thank you!!! I just hate the whole "wage slave" Marxist non-sense too. So many conservatives jump to the Marxist train of thought when it suits them. They are like "women are being make to work long hours, having stressful life's and no free time"... First of all that is not true. Working in any normal business, big corporation, small business or whatever are not like that. Second of all, IF it was like that, then why would you then went to force men into that position instead of a couple sharing the "burden of working"? There is just two posible futures for society: One when feminist and this tradcon bullshit prosper and, as more men realice that marriage is not worthy, ginocentrist governments throw a tantrum and create bachelor taxes and rise normal income taxes (because, let's be honest, most income taxes are pay by men and most government subsidies are recibes by women, so they indirectly force the mass of men to pay for the mass of women, at least collectively). Another one were men and women normalice two-income homes and divide house-keeping chores, thus assimilating the "man" and "woman" roles into the two individuals.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2025-09-05T12:19:44+00:00

Reddit upvotes are not supposed to be an "agree/disagree" button; nor a sign of political support. It's meant to be used for relevance.

bbtech · 2025-09-05T11:15:11+00:00

There is virtually no insight with most of the men that post in this forum. I am becoming convinced this place is stocked with people more in touch with some esoteric group of regulars who defend a concept without actually even understanding what that concept is.

Rocketronic0 · 2025-09-05T15:32:47+00:00

Thirdly, the whole 'wage slave' slogan is € > Marxist nonsense. A vast majority of people sell their labour to companies, and no, we are not slaves

No. This is still slavery organized in an illusion of freedom of choice, but to partake in the system is mandatory. The other option is to starve, be humiliated and looked down upon socially. Americans are brainwashed for generations about the evil that is to give a fuck about your overall community and ensure liveable standards for all, so one jackass with guns or money don’t deteriorate the society to a human zoo. The history will prove them wrong as their system clashes.

The more interesting question is whether the state should be in charge of the community, or can you create a self regulating nation.

63daddy · 2025-09-05T14:55:47+00:00

His point that feminism encouraged women to work more and that women are busier and less happy as a result is fairly well documented. I’m not going to reject documented fact.

Most men and most women would prefer to work less or not at all if they are financially able.

You are of course free to have any opinion you wish about men being the primary breadwinners, but that doesn’t change the truthfulness of his point about the impact feminism has had on women working or how working more has impacted women.

teeoth · 2025-09-05T16:45:45+00:00

Hardly anyone demands that men are sole breadwinners, but feminism glorified financial independence for women. That leads to them not willing to have children and a demographic catastrophy. It is also Natural for Men to work more, because women are usually better with children, can feed them etc So. It makes sense for women to stay home for a while.

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