New law: rape accusers will be coached by "allowing rape crisis advocates in [police] interviews", detectives will be required to "attend program from End Violence Against Women International."

cxj · 2013-12-29T23:27:39+00:00

"Goldsmith said that the revised guidelines include:

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No longer classifying sexual assault cases as "unfounded." Sexual assault reports will be considered valid, unless proven otherwise."

I wonder how this could go wrong...

rg57 · 2013-12-29T23:46:18+00:00

"Sexual assault reports will be considered valid, unless proven otherwise."

Great idea. Let's generalize this to all accusations. Why didn't we think of it before? What could possibly go wrong?

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-12-30T02:23:46+00:00

Making sure victims are taken to the hospital and given a sexual assault examination within 72 hours.

Seems reasonable.

Allowing victims to have a rape crisis advocate or personal representative present during the interview. If they decline, investigators will provide written information on organizations that can help.

Second part is reasonable. First part is a bit iffy.

No longer classifying sexual assault cases as "unfounded." Sexual assault reports will be considered valid, unless proven otherwise.

Wait what?

That basically defines all false accusations that can't be demonstrated out of existence while still keep rape accusations that can't be demonstrated to be classified as rape.

That will just inform wrong headed policy.

Ma99ie · 2013-12-29T23:15:47+00:00

That shouldn't lead to men wrongly convicted at all. Having "advocates," i.e. man hating feminists telling the "victim" what really happened surely won't compromise justice. Remember guys, rape is just like any other crime. Like all other crimes, the alleged victims get political advocates.

The_Cockpit · 2013-12-30T00:26:20+00:00

a female investigator told her, “If we find out that you’re lying, this will be a felony charge.”

I want to buy this woman a drink.

housea1994 · 2013-12-30T01:12:21+00:00

People always assume you have the right to be believed-- you do not. You have the right to have your story heard by police, and to be treated with respect. The police can choose to investigate or not.

Cedru · 2013-12-30T08:13:57+00:00

At this point is there anyone still thinking that women have no play in this "men's world" game, where the boys are being bros? This is a blatant attempt at rendering all sexual assault accusations as true in a time when media started to pick up on the reality of false accusations. This is very wrong.

everyone_hates_you_ · 2013-12-30T00:58:24+00:00

Feminists are doing their damn'dest to undo, destroy, undermine, and do away with the fifth, sixth, and eighth, amendments.

The idea of fairness or justice in any rational sense is utterly foreign to them.

blkarcher77 · 2013-12-30T18:20:20+00:00

So they literally just changed it from "innocent until proved guilty" to "guilty until proved innocent"... I see absolutely no problem with this, it only fuck over a large amount of men, no big deal

Bartab · 2013-12-30T06:22:01+00:00

That night Roy Ruiz Loredo, a diagnosed serial rapist and sexual sadist, followed her home and sexually assaulted her. The victim later said a female investigator told her, "If we find out that you're lying, this will be a felony charge."

Lol. No it wouldn't be. Women have stated flat out on the stand that they had previously gave perjurious testimony and no charges were ever filed.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-12-30T02:58:47+00:00

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Ivan_Fackoff · 2013-12-30T01:13:21+00:00

This is from August! They likely already changed the policy. Write to: Marcus Jones, City Manager

city.managerATnorfolk.gov

Mr. Jones I find recent change to sexual assault policy as a violation of human rights. By federal law all people are innocent until proven guilty without reasonable doubt in a court of law. Assumption of guilt by investigators is a violation of that law. We want all sexual assault cases to be handled with impartiality, professionalism and diligence. We will not tolerate discrimination or sexism. We want justice. Sincerely, Name Name

I'm not a lawyer. Feel free to modify or add anything.

Title	New law: rape accusers will be coached by "allowing rape crisis advocates in [police] interviews", detectives will be required to "attend program from End Violence Against Women International."
Author	AndrewLevin
Upvotes	87
Comments	41
Date	December 29, 2013 10:28 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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