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August 12, 2014

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Title	Posted by fckh8.com
Author	Edgeinsthelead
Upvotes	612
Comments	65
Date	August 12, 2014 3:26 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/2dawjj/posted-by-fckh8com/
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I've found a few - not that they were easy to find. Any searches for terms like 'domestic violence figures' or similar terms returned results only focusing on women. I had to search specifically for the male figures, even then a lot of links still focused on women.

I'm 25 now, any domestic violence lessons at high-school, campaigns at university, posters, TV adverts, leaflets etc I've seen in real-life have only ever talked about female victims. It has become ingrained in me to think this way. I feel quite manipulated by it.

If anyone is in a similar boat to me, here are some male DV articles I found with sources included. There's probably better examples to find but that enough searching for me today, I found it very sad to read, especially the comments sections.

http://www.ncdv.org.uk/male-domestic-violence-awareness-week/

http://www.ncadv.org/files/MaleVictims.pdf

http://domesticviolencestatistics.org/men-the-overlooked-victims-of-domestic-violence/

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

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You're right, I want gender neutral posters against Domestic Violence in all forms.

You know what I also want:

1) For male victims of rape to still be included in official statistical data and not be erased by bigoted, ignorant researches like Mary Koss because calling what happened to them Rape isn't "Appropriate" in their eyes.

2) For the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence not to have been passed. Or at least have a law that recognizes neither gender have a monopoly on violence and manipulation.

3) For VAWA to have been gender neutral FROM THE BEGINNING and ENFORCED. Meaning equal attention focused on men and women.

But none of those things happened. Now we're here. You can't get everything in life, can you?

Until society starts paying attention, EN MASSE, to BOTH genders and not treat it like a women's issue only, then you'll see neutrality in advocacy.

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When studies disagree you can usually find the truth by comparing methodology and definition. I try very hard to be objective and analyze the original studies. Women do experience more violence but the degree has been systematically exaggerated using cherry picking and double standards. A few have claimed men experience more violence and while they are wrong I don't think they have had the same level of ability to manipulate the public eye on the data.

You can find the CDC study here: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf And an explanation and comparision with another study here: http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

You have to understand what is actually being said and how domestic violence or rape is actually defined in that context. When you talk about Federal Reporting rates for rape you get much lower rates than when you look at surveys of self-reported sexual assaults. The reasons being men are less likely to report such crimes and being made to penetrate is not defined as rape by Federal statutes. There have also been provisions to deny government funding to domestic violence studies that include male victims.

Likewise the recent studies showing 40% or over 50% victims include a broad amount of data. A common response has been to filter the data for several repeated incidents of severe violence. When you do that you get a lot more female victims. However those making this point will gloss over a related one if the mention it at all. Using that sort of filter to remove female abusers (and the majority of those who abuse men are female) also removes a large portion of the male abusers who they claim exist. So it can't both ways. While this sort of repeated severe violence is obviously a major concern, it doesn't represent the majority of what it described as abuse in studies. So if we filter the results this way it changes the picture of a lot of studies commonly referenced. You can find a good in depth look at some of the data at this blog: http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2014/06/11/can-we-finally-nail-down-those-male-victim-statistics/

Given what we know about intimate partner violence we can assume there is under reporting. The studies that show closer to even or more male victims are surveys rather than based on police reports and tend to find greater numbers of female victims as well than those based on police reports. Under reporting is greater among male victims and combined with police bias masks the true numbers when police reports are used.

Now more violence does still occur against women based on the majority of evidence, but the margin was never wide as we believed and seems to be closing fast. I think the major problem is this idea that domestic violence is a controlling pattern of repeated abuse. This is what is described by the Duluth model and what Murray Strauss calls an intimate terrorist. To be sure that exists, but we have developed an effective strategy to combat it. Since that particular flavor of abuse is more commonly committed by men we see a faster drop in domestic violence against women than against men bringing the numbers closer and closer to even.

The trouble is that it doesn't account for most of the abuse found by studies despite what decades of political rhetoric have taught. Both sides have resorted to dubious tactics but one side has far more sway on courts and police. Our society has been falsely taught that abusers are never simply co-violent couples or someone who lost there temper once. This leaves us without reasonable strategies for handling such situations even as they become the most common forms of DV.

I agree domestic violence programs should put a proportionately higher focus on women but for most of the other side it seems that any programs for men are too many. http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2014/08/05/throwing-domestic-violence-victims-to-the-wolves/

Finally I recommend this analysis by Murray Straus, one of the founders of domestic violence research whose data did not match up with the political desires of certain people: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V78%20Clincal%20level%20symmetry-Published-11.pdf (It will likely take forever to load but is worth it and references other studies you can look up for more information)

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