So I'm a liberal...

sillymod · 2017-02-02T00:08:19+00:00

There are lots of liberals here. Really, the only requirement is that you support other people's right to speak as much as you want them to support yours - even if you dislike their opinion.

EricAllonde · 2017-02-02T01:17:30+00:00

There was a poll taken of the political views of subscribers to this sub, and surprisingly (to me, at least) it skewed Liberal.

So have no fear: you're among likeminded fellow travellers. The main difference you may encounter is that this sub is strongly pro free speech, and liberals often love censorship. So if you can accept people speaking their minds and no one silencing them when you disagree, then you'll be fine.

SKNK_Monk · 2017-02-02T00:39:09+00:00

I am also a leftist.

DaneWhitman · 2017-02-02T00:44:52+00:00

I'm also fairly liberal, although I'm a civil libertarian first and foremost. As long as you're a consistent and principled advocate for equality, you'll fit in just fine.

TibsKirk · 2017-02-02T04:05:23+00:00

Lots of liberals and former feminists here. You've only begun the journey of discovery. Please continue.

huge_ox · 2017-02-02T00:45:55+00:00

You can be both a liberal and an advocate of men and women's rights. There's nothing saying you can't.

The main issue we face in the terms for mens rights is that many people feel the establishment was set up by men, and therefore treats men fine when the reality is is that it doesn't.

I myself probably consider myself to be right of centre, but not right wing. I believe in small government, self sustainability, free (read subsidised by taxes) health care, care for the military veterans, care for the elderly, abortions in specific circumstances, immigration by points system, free trade, free travel (such as the EU has), and a social welfare system that protects vulnerable people, and helps put people back into jobs, free higher education for all, mens rights and responsibilities to be the same as women's, as well as crime and punishment judgements.

You'll find here there are people that many agree with what I agree with, and there are many that don't. The rhetoric here is that we all agree to the advocacy of mens rights, and there's a handful of those that bash feminism to the extreme, which is what gets the front page sadly.

Anyway. I am rambling. Good luck with your time here.

SkyGuppy · 2017-02-02T04:40:35+00:00

Im far left leaning and for a long time considered myself a feminist. Slowly realised that most feminists are not interested in equality at all (or are at least incapable of accepting that men's issues matter), found this sub, now i support men's rights and women's rights. Im still far left though.

jamminnummeruno · 2017-02-02T06:15:25+00:00

I'm a liberal and there are plenty of us here. Welcome.

PaisleyBowtie · 2017-02-02T00:23:03+00:00

Yea what hits the front page from here is mostly snarky, easily digestible anti-feminist memes, and not very representative of the sub as a whole

Imnotmrabut · 2017-02-02T01:24:22+00:00

My My - so you were faced with a Red Pill Moment and decided to swallow and not spit. Mazel Tov and welcome to the wide eyed club!

I think you may be surprised to find that there are a very large number of Liberals here - and I'm talking old school US Liberal - "a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties."

People are here because due to bias they have found those rights and dignities limited just because they are men.

Often people who have red pill moments keep looking at those who they have previously viewed with suspicion through blue lenses, and they need to take time to get their vision and grasp of reality cleared and colour free. It's classic Cognitive Bias being cleared out of the system.

...it's such a big change that it makes me nervous.

And that is exactly where you should be and need to be right now. What else should you feel? We're used to it, so if you need help dealing with the Spin Dizzy sensations just shout!

.. I realize now that I may have let myself get to comfortable in my bubble of liberalism.

Nope - you just fell for the Cultural Memes that allowed you to survive in your Social Environment and make sense of what you saw day by day. Waking up is not a single event; it's a process that goes on and on! However, you may well have to adjust a lot as your environment changes about you. Big internal changes always result in big external changes. Do not underestimate this... but you will!

... I didn't read dissenting opinions because I didn't think they mattered.

Classic - seen in all patterns of Brain washing - Coercive control. The technical term is "Milieu Control";

Milieu Control: The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication. Through this milieu control the totalist environment seeks to establish domain over not only the individual’s communication with the outside (all that he sees and hears, reads and writes, experiences, and expresses), but also—in its penetration of his inner life—over what we may speak of as his communication with himself. It creates an atmosphere uncomfortably reminiscent of George Orwell’s 1984;

A common issue is "The Backfire Effect" where when people encounter evidence that contradicts their beliefs they don't change but hold the old wrong beliefs even more strongly. We all believe we are super rational, but in everyone of us hides a super bigot. No exceptions! We all have to debunk ourselves and reboot the wetware no matter our operating systems.

You will probably find yourself (still) using Jargon, verbal memes and "Thought-terminating Cliche" as that Red Pill Moment expands - it could be weeks, months and even years ... though most frequently it's about three months as you realise more and more ideas, views and beliefs that you have held and not questioned. Once that questioning begins it's one hell of a ride - exhilarating - scary - and liberating.

You should always do one thing every day that will scare the panties off you! Now you have just opened up more options to end up pantyless.

I see now how wrong I was.

Brilliant - now you can leave Ignorance behind as your bliss and get busy with some real world issues and realities - what is your most pressing issue - concern - question?

You have already found we don't bite... P¬))

qwetc · 2017-02-02T03:34:54+00:00

See r/FeMRADebates also. It is supposed to be for debate between MRAs and feminists but it leans MRA. There is less anger and more high quality posts but it is slower, though r/MensRights isn't bad. Just a lurker's opinion.

If you want to learn more about men's issues read Warren Farrel's book The Myth of Male Power: Why Men are the Disposable Sex.

This isn't the right subreddit but you might enjoy reading Reflections on the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke if you want to understand one side of conservatism. Its a classic.

contractor808 · 2017-02-02T04:30:43+00:00

Welcome, and thank you for looking into the information yourself. There's no issue with being "liberal" and you'll find many other people who identify as such here, as well as other independents or conservatives. Generally, what is criticized as "liberal", "left", or "leftist" is in regard to the identity politics currently being promoted rather than particular economic or social policies unless it is relevant to the discussion of men's issues (for example social welfare > child support enforcement, affirmative action > women only quotas). Also know that a lot of what left/right is will change based on geography.

Because the larger "progressive" movement does seem to have disentangled itself from groups like radical feminists and race hustlers, it's harder to single out the "good" from the "bad". For example, the DNC candidate that wants to shut other white people down, or Symone Sanders that said we don't need white people leading the DNC. So until there's a "new progressive" movement that differentiates itself from these types, a lot of criticism is going to simply refer to "leftism" or "the left" in general.

Badgerz92 · 2017-02-02T05:09:40+00:00

The men's rights movement was started by liberals who used to be feminists. Look up Warren Farrell, he was a feminist leader in the 70s who realized that men have problems too, and he still considers himself a liberal (he even supported Hillary over Trump).

Mon_arch · 2017-02-02T05:40:57+00:00

You'll be fine.

I spend most of my time here downvoting which is something I am very sad to say about a movement that I support. But sometimes
r/theredpill starts leaking and it gets a bit groupthinky in here.

Just look past the " lol feminists are bad" posts and find the real issues that you believe in. Trust but verify your sources. Read as much as you can and form your own opinions.

If you're still feeling uncertain look up castration day and anything with " all men are like that".

And just to let you form your own opinion on who we are fighting and who we aren't, a YouTube video I think a lot of people could benefit from. It's a wonderful example of new feminists versus old, and the issues ripping their movement apart.

https://youtu.be/jBsk1WzEdCA

theprodigy_1 · 2017-02-02T03:19:19+00:00

Feminists LOVE to divide people, even among their own kind. Countless people gets banned from feminist subs for making a wrong point and not following the cult line closely.

aussietoads · 2017-02-02T01:23:54+00:00

" So I'm a liberal " Don't worry, take two aspirin, if you're still liberal tomorrow morning, go see a doctor.

Senno82 · 2017-02-02T04:44:10+00:00

One of the core principles of USA is to be able to speak freely. Doesn't mean people will necessarily agree with you and it doesn't mean you have the right to an audience, but being a Men's Rights supporter or even just agreeing with their FAQ doesn't necessarily have to change your political affiliation. I would recommend watching "The Red Pill" about a feminist who wanted to understand the Men's Rights movement from a feminist perspective and found herself seeing from their point of view their valid points. Thank you for your post.

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Pinuspalustris · 2017-02-02T06:24:29+00:00

Reddit is, on the whole, a liberal place. I am not a liberal, I'd consider myself a conservative just right of centrism. That said, I firmly believe that the MRM should be a nonpartisan movement, because both sides of the isle should be interested in human rights. Welcome to the community. I don't care where your political beliefs are, if you're interested in helping men, then I hope you stick around.

GrimB0LD · 2017-02-02T09:39:52+00:00

I'd consider myself slightly left of center on most issues, and leaning a little towards the anti-authoritarian side too.

merton1111 · 2017-02-02T11:11:19+00:00

I'm far left and here I am. I am fighing for gender equality.

splodgenessabounds · 2017-02-02T11:16:36+00:00

More to the point, you've realised that much of what you've been fed in the mainstream media and social media about blokes and their human rights is either skewed or a flat-out lie.

Your personal political views are yours - while it's occasionally useful to question them, there is no need to reliquish them to be interested in men's rights.

DevilishRogue · 2017-02-02T11:19:40+00:00

it makes me feel as though the movement may not accept me and my liberal philosophy.

That isn't how things work here. You're entitled to whatever views you want. You can support Hillary, Bernie, Rand Paul or whomever. What matters is that you are aware of how the feminist narrative distorts the truth and is so prevalent and dominant that until and unless you have a 'moment of clarity' such as you yourself did that you don't see things as they are.

Although there are many well established left-wing men's rights supporters here the majority are indeed right wing. That doesn't mean you aren't welcome though, it just means that you need to be able to disagree politely with others (rather than attempt to silence them as the feminist subs do).

bigbronze · 2017-02-02T21:00:33+00:00

I recognize more as a democratic than republican, but I was very liberal until I came to this sub also. I had believed in the facts that feminists were pushing at first but after going to a feminist group at college and found myself as a target for ridicule. Like I went there to support you guys and y'all are yelling at me, dafuck? (the only straight and not effeminate man there. after that sour taste I found this sub and I now no longer identify as a male feminist or a liberal. It also helps that I grew up and got a little older and more mature. One thing that is common is that we are spoon fed ideas that align with liberals thus making us prone to identifying with them. Once people get out of that coddled environment, you are able to figure yourself out.

So I'm a liberal...

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