The Patriarchy. What?

girlwriteswhat · 2012-12-03T21:11:07+00:00

Okay. Here's the thing.

Default father custody used to be the norm after divorce. That was because Patriarchy. Then, women's lobbyists convinced legislators to enact the Tender Years Doctrine, which gave mothers default custody of all children under a certain age. Of course, the residual effects of this (continued mother-favoring in custody) is also Patriarchy. This is because Patriarchy considers women to be more nurturing than men, dontcha know.

So. From this, we can conclude that all of the female favoring legislation that punishes men and protects women is ALSO Patriarchy. Because even though it was lobbied for by feminists, it is based on the premise that women are weak and men strong, thus Patriarchy.

In other words, no matter what happens, no matter how politically and economically dominant women become, it will still be a Patriarchy.

Penis.

jolly_mcfats · 2012-12-03T17:58:16+00:00

Also worth mentioning: in the united states Women are the majority vote

2012-12-04T00:48:09+00:00

My problem with the term is that it pretends that gender was a larger disciminator in society than class, which is utter bullshit.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2012-12-04T01:05:37+00:00

If you had a magic lamp and everytime you rubbed it a genie would come out and give you whatever you wanted, when would you throw away the lamp?

The answer to that is the answer to when they will stop using the patriarchy nonsense to get what they want.

/even if I were inclined to believe in conspiracy theories the statistics make it clear that any shadowy cabal running the world is doing it for it's own benefit, not for the average man's benefit. Yeah most leaders have been male. So have most prisoners, ditch diggers, coal miners, and of course cannon fodder. Odd system if what you want is for men to get all the breaks.

FarFromXanadu · 2012-12-03T21:37:00+00:00

Radical feminists who believe that society is a patriarchy are right and wrong but most wrong. Some areas of society are still a patriarchy, (one of the most important characteristics of a patriarchy are that all people in political power are, and traditionally always have been/will be male. Obviously this isn't true in the Western world, if it is still a patriarchy, it's one of the most egalitarian ones in the history of the world.

But arguing about patriarchy is utterly pointless. Scientists are still bickering between themselves about whether a matriarchy exists and what it takes to form one.

Instead, ask them why the disruption of a male-dominated society needs a complete redux and revolt against everything in society, or how long they expect equal rights to be established after the revolution in society.

Because those questions don't have an answer. Sure, maybe some of the ones with a sharper tongue could find some reason for why they see society as it is needs to be broken down before women can be equal, but it's painfully clear when you ask how long it will take after the revolution that they don't know what the revolution is, because there's literally no end in sight to their views.

Try to outsmart them, see how well they can defend their own philosophies from somebody who knows what they're talking about.

ErasmusMRA · 2012-12-03T18:15:53+00:00

My question is this: What has to happen to prove to these crazy people once and for all that we no longer live in a patriarchy?

It's like trying to prove to a religious fundamentalist that god doesn't exist. You can't. Their ideology starts out with the assumption of patriarchy and men as being the cause of all societal problems.

BuncyTheFrog · 2012-12-03T18:32:21+00:00

Gotta be honest, I've never really understood the patriarchy argument. It seems to me like the world is just run by the wealthy and powerful, and men are useful idiots to be given positions of power (or "power") to keep the whole thing going.

memymineown · 2012-12-03T19:06:39+00:00

I am beginning to realize more and more that the patriarchy is just one big conspiracy theory.

A group of people secretly controlling the world in the shadows to make it worse for certain people they don't like.

You would have more luck convincing moon hoaxers that there is actually a moon.

r_rships_account · 2012-12-04T01:13:47+00:00

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MRB2012 · 2012-12-03T21:57:38+00:00

So, really, at what point will these people wake up and realize that we no longer live in a Patriatchy?

There are still people who think that George Bush did 9/11, that Barack Obama is a Kenyan, and that the CIA killed Kennedy. You are vastly underestimating the human potential for stupidity.

loose-dendrite · 2012-12-04T00:52:27+00:00

Oddly, none of those have ever happened to me on the Internet. Either feminists are willing to have a real discussion or they ignore/ban me. My posting history may have a strong influence.

r_rships_account · 2012-12-04T03:06:34+00:00

This thread has been invaded by a downvote brigade (probably the usual suspects).

2012-12-06T19:58:12+00:00

Women are actually given FAR more educational opportunities and FAR more job opportunities via things like Title IX, exclusive scholarships, and gender quotas.

2012-12-06T19:59:12+00:00

The Patriarchy is the father and feminists are the petulant daughters always whining for more.

Meanwhile the son starves.

AeneaLamia · 2012-12-03T18:06:21+00:00

well, i can't say I'm 100% with you.

Given every educational opportunity men are

This doesnt mean that our society, their families and parents etc are encouraging women and men to study the same things and enter the same professions.

CEOs of major Fortune 500 companies

there are only 19 fortune 500 ceos (thats about 4%)

Can do any job a man does

but are still not encouraged to do so. certain professions are still highly gendered from childhood

in positions of power in the government, including being heads of state in some countries

there are only 17 woman senators, out of 100 and 78 out of 435 in the house.

If there's a patriarchy, women are just as complicit in its creation over the course of milennia as men are, common women and men are fucked over by those in power, everywhere, just in different ways. Male privilege exists, but so does female privilege; there's are innumerable types of privileges, and each has different values in different settings.

buster2209 · 2012-12-03T19:51:49+00:00

Modern feminism relies on women being seen as a victim thus they have to paint men as the oppressors in order to justify there nonsense

iggybdawg · 2012-12-03T19:57:52+00:00

I think you will have a hard time convincing them of anything, but not as hard a time convincing other more rational listeners/readers that you have a stronger argument.

For example, call them out on their misuse of the terms

privilege
patriarchy
sexism
rape

Ask them for data to support their arguments.

Point out their logical fallacies, like "Check your privilege" is ad hominem.

So, instead of convincing them they are crazy, convince everyone around them that they are crazy.

dalsgaard · 2012-12-03T21:24:06+00:00

It's an interesting question. Because the patriarchy does not appear to be well-defined enough, and like any vaguely defined feminist theory; it doesn't make a lot of predictions. Most likely the patriarchy will never be overcome in their terminology, because they have not defined in clear terms what it would take.

cahpahkah · 2012-12-03T22:43:10+00:00

Some things from your list to think about:

Given every educational opportunity men are

In the United States, college enrollment is actually around 57%/43% in favor of women.

Can do any job a man does

Yes, and they receive an average of 7% less for doing them.

CEOs of major Fortune 500 companies

The breakdown is 20 women and 480 men. Not remotely close.

in positions of power in the government, including being heads of state in some countries

This is true, but highly selective. In the US Senate, for instance, there are 20 women to 80 men. The House is 78 women to 363 men. The Supreme Court is 6-3, but only because Obama has appointed two women to attempt to address the historical 8-1 imbalance.

The Patriarchy. What?

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Title	The Patriarchy. What?
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