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This case has ramifications for men falsely accused of crimes in the UK. Press cannot now report until someone is charged. Sir Cliff Richard is awarded £210,000 damages as judge rules BBC infringed his privacy in a 'serious and sensationalist way'.

furchfur

July 18, 2018
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5964937/Judge-set-deliver-ruling-fight-Sir-Cliff-Richard-BBC.html
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Title This case has ramifications for men falsely accused of crimes in the UK. Press cannot now report until someone is charged. Sir Cliff Richard is awarded £210,000 damages as judge rules BBC infringed his privacy in a 'serious and sensationalist way'.
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furchfur

Upvotes 411
Comments 46
Date July 18, 2018 10:06 AM UTC
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[–]Consilio_et_Animis 54 points55 points56 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

"The corporation's Director of News Fran Unsworth said: 'It means police investigations, and searches of people's homes, could go unreported and unscrutinised.'"

er.. "unscrutinised" by who exactly? You mean unscrutinised by the man-hating BBC and most of the rest of the UK press infiltrated by feminist ideology — where the "...victim must always be believed" mentality rules.

Exhibit A: BBC Director of News Fran Unsworth

If a suspect is investigated or their home is search, they are totally at liberty to publicise the situation if they feel it needs "scrutinising".

[–]bluewing 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is a legitimate fear here. Anything that can be potentially abused, will be abused at some point.

The real crux is where will society draw the line. Police abuse of powers or the right to report on unfounded accusations that will ruin a person.

I honestly have no clue on how we get out of this and still remain fair and impartial.

[–]ThirdTurnip 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the right to report on unfounded accusations

This already undeniably infringes on the principle of innocent until proven guilty, which theoretically underpins the entire justice system.

I honestly have no clue on how we get out of this and still remain fair and impartial.

The media is often instrumental in bringing to light government and police corruption and that doesn't need to change. If they uncover evidence of such, publish the shit out of it.

They don't need to publish every potentially sensational accusation made against a man. That doesn't serve the public interest.

[–]The_Best_01 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She looks exactly like I imagined her to be. All she's missing is some extra weight and maybe a nose piercing or two.

[–]ddbsirt1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's fucking dumb anyway. Because the investigations and searches have been reported and scrutinized - just internally by the police. The only people to which they matter.

[–]furchfur[S] 47 points48 points49 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

More on the case:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44871799

So the BBC plans to appeal and are crying into their tea. They claim:

"But, she said, the case marked a "significant shift" against press freedom and an "important principle" around the public's right to know was at stake. "

They can no longer vilify innocent men! That is their main gripe.

[–]The_Best_01 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Freedom of the press" is now being used as a cover to violate actual people's freedom, I love it.

[–]Markuz 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"But, she said, the case marked a "significant shift" against press freedom and an "important principle" around the public's right to know was at stake. "

Yet, they champion the imprisonment of Tommy Robinson for reporting on the ongoing trial of children grooming gangs.

[–]azazelcrowley 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Crucial to the case is that it's a privacy violation ruling, not a libel/slander ruling, and so credibility of the claim is irrelevant, it also means it's a human rights violation. This also means that feminists have, once again, spent years committing human rights violations that we criticized, and once again courts have come down in our favor on the topic.

[–]jfartster 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad to read this. Because I remember when it happened. It was shocking, the extent to which they barged their way in and publicly humiliated the guy. Based on nothing of substance, as it turns out.

So I think this is good. At least the system compensated him to some degree. Because if it didn't, that would be a very worrying precedent to have set - that broadcasted raids, set up like this, are acceptable.

[–]Wisemanner 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, very good news.

[–]Good-Boi 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

People whining about "censoring the press!" need to stop crying, this is about preventing an innocent persons life being ruined by sensationalist media. I hope the BBC is forced to pay this amount and their appeal is shoved up their crumpet hole

[–]Luchadorgreen 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. The purpose of the press is to reveal facts to the public, not whip up a lynch mob. If we could count on them to be objective, this wouldn't be a problem.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Legal Costs are the killer.

[–]smokebowlington 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like the law doing it s job, for a change.

[–]thrway_1000 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Since these corporations are pushing a narrative, using peoples lives, they should pay.

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[–]Imnotmrabut 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Biased Broadcasting Corporation has been pushing many narratives peddled by their internal neurotic narratives and virtue signaling.

[–]elebrin 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

When they say, "can't report," what exactly do they mean?

I don't like limits on free speech or the press. I would prefer that people who are found not guilty who have had their name published before being charged can be assumed to have taken financial damages from such, and the media outlet in question is liable for those.

[–]Haisha4sale 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We already have limits on free speech. You can't publish the victims name in some circumstances. This now extends to the accused until proven guilty. This is a necessary step as we have seen many many cases recently of the accused having their lives destroyed by vindictive accusers.

[–]njullpointer 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you've got a point, I don't like limits of free speech either, but publishing names of people who are being merely accused of crimes (especially of ones like, say, rape) doesn't serve any good purpose.

I think, should somebody be accused of something like rape and suffer having their name splashed around as "a rapist" should definitely be allowed recompense should those accusations prove not only unfounded but the behaviour of those doing the splashing prove to be malicious.

[–]Benjaminook 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not entirely sure it extends to the innocent until proven guilty, only until they are formally charged. I agree it's absolutely necessary though

[–]Wisemanner 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We already have limits on free speech...." Indeed we do. You can't publish a false accuser's name in most cases.

[–]nombre1 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

> You can't publish the victims name in some circumstances

That's how I look at it. Until the allegations are proven, then man (a) who is potentially guilty of rape is being accused by a woman (b) who is potentially lying.

Until the trial concludes, it's too uncertain who the victim really is.

[–]Imnotmrabut 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The BBC have to appeal.... The legal bills are about £5 million in total. Sir Cliff's bills are reported as over £2.4 mil alone.

[–]Zeoniic 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The BBC is charged... so we (British) pay the fine?

[–]Wisemanner 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I assume it will come out of the licence fee. What it will mean in that the BBC will have less money to pay ridiculous salaries with.

[–]Zeoniic 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor Gary how will he cope.

[–]ThEGr33kXII 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if you're paying a TV licence. I stopped a while back... On principle, the BBC are rubbish at the moment and are very bias. I'm not paying for it :-)

[–]drinksilpop 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I have mixed feelings. The court doesn't name in documents until guilty, which I thought was awesome. This may have been great at another time, but considering how they censor the media, prosecute for facebook posts, and control what news is published, I think it is scary.

[–]jfartster 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't know. I see it as reigning in the m.media's capacity to violate a person's privacy. I can't really think of a scenario in which it would be a bad thing. Or where it starts to go down that bad road, like with censorship. Can you?

[–]Sardonislamir 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Think of it this way. Police kills a man when they raid his home. But the law says the press can't report until someone is charged, so now what happens if they don't charge anyone? Police don't charge one another, they conduct an investigation... Think about that. Nobody would know that something happened, because it can't be reported until the police formally charge a suspect.

[–]fonduman 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

But does a ban on reporting such things extend to other, related things that have happened? For example, a police raid by itself vs a police raid that results in someone getting killed, could they not report the death? My take on the ruling is that it's supposed to prevent people from jumping to conclusions about things that haven't been proven to have happened yet, but a death has definitely happened in the latter case, even if it hasn't been proven to be murder.

Or, phrased another way, the intent is to protect the privacy of the person being investigated, so it would be reasonable to infer that if a raid results in a death, the privacy of the deceased would be irrelevant because they're not being investigated anymore, so they could report on a police raid causing a death, but not necessarily on the investigation into the officer who caused it.

[–]Sardonislamir 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It would be reasonable that the death might go reported, but what if they rule no charges? Does that investigation and who was investigated come to light and become openly reportable? What happens when the public could aid in an investigation, but the police now too can't release statements because privacy? I'm all for victim privacy AND the accusers privacy at the same time, however I feel there could be greater slide in a bad direction. I know it's the obvious slippery slope argument, but the idea exists for a reason. What can be done to shore up the slope before it goes into full landslide?

The wider framing of the problem is not just police but any government action. Covering the government action from reporting because of an individuals privacy from it, yet the government can violate a person's privacy, means that it is an open door to engage in even more aggressive policy.

[–]CounterfeitMemes 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That can already happen though. The potential for that scenario has not changed.

[–]Sardonislamir -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would exacerbate such a scenario.

[–]jfartster 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They'd still be within rights to report the death and the circumstances, surely. (?) [Although I already expect there to be a ton of bias in reporting a police screw-up, regardless of this law. But maybe that's just me].

But hmm yeah I'm not 100% sure on this one.

[–]drinksilpop 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He ban relates to things that have happened. Also, cannot the the word 'nigger' unless you are black, even if quoting song lyrics.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right. Every law is designed in a manner so that it can be turned against the people, to support the system, whether corporate, governmental, or otherwise.
''Hate speech'' laws in history always turn into a criminalization of criticizing government or police or the media. They are always used to squelch dissent. None of them will protect gays and blacks, et alia, but rather, they will protect the cops, who will be in charge of their enforcement.

[–]drinksilpop 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the UK it seems that they are specifically protecting minority races and religions with their censorship. I know saying that makes me sound like a douche, but the fact that you can be arrested for posting your dog doing the Nazi salute on YouTube is absurd. He was found guilty. Meanwhile, the same day of his verdict, the media has been banned from reporting about the Muslim rape grooming case, and the one blogger that goes there is arrested, tried, and sentenced the same day... Things like that make.me think any censorship coming from the UK is dangerous. They had a good model before. Teacher / man / random person accused of rape, not allowed to publish the name unless guilty. I admired that. Now that mindset of protection from things that hurt fee fees or contradict the happy narrative have taken over, I just... Don't know what to say.

[–]jfartster 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, gotcha. That's the kind of thing I was hoping to get at.

[–]sotv 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The police can ( and should ) release the information as is current process.

[–]craftychap 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It'll hopefully stop incidents like Jay Cheshire and other suicides like that.

[–]guillemqv 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice.

[–]TobiaF 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is great news and a very important precedent, don't misunderstand me.

Still, I'm just chuckling at "High Court judge Mr Justice Mann"

[–]notacrackheadofficer 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Europeans might be shocked, but almost no one in the US knows who he is. He had one minor hit in the 80s here, but Cliff and the Shadows are fully unknown and were never played on any radio stations here, ever, except obscure college stations, and even then almost never. Hilariously, in the US, everyone is told that the Beatles invented the idea of a band writing their own music. Johnny Kidd and the Pirates are also 100% unheard of in the US. Europeans might find it odd, but no one who is American has any idea what I am talking about.

[–]Imnotmrabut 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a common issue. They freak out when I say I'm using faggots) to light a fire, So I can cook some saucy faggots) for dinner.

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