Typical

redgreenyellowblu · 2015-09-18T22:37:50+00:00

"Why don't you join"?

"I don't support ISIS."

"Oh, so you hate Muslims."

ChaosOpen · 2015-09-18T22:59:41+00:00

"Of course I don't think that, which is why I'm not a feminist."

xNOM · 2015-09-18T21:17:58+00:00

"No, I think feminists are stupid."

mwobuddy · 2015-09-19T00:06:12+00:00

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WaitingToBeBanned · 2015-09-18T23:52:54+00:00

What gets me is how that is worded as a statement rather than a question. I can imagine it would continue like this.

"No I don't.

"Yes you do."

"Fuck off."

*See, you obviously hate women."

tokeroveragain · 2015-09-19T01:47:10+00:00

You don't think Caitlyn Jenner is a hero?

RunawayBear · 2015-09-18T22:59:48+00:00

You're either with us or you're with the terrorists

AtomicBLB · 2015-09-18T22:09:02+00:00

Their favorite go to. That one and my favorite "Oh so you hate women?" as if you can remotely deduce that from a statement as simple as "I'm not a feminist."

Ricwulf · 2015-09-18T22:01:13+00:00

Classic false equivocation.

WordsNotToLiveBy · 2015-09-18T22:55:34+00:00

"So you think men are better than women?"

"In some things, yes; and some things, no."

theDarkAngle · 2015-09-19T10:49:34+00:00

Posted about this before. Feminism has two definitions, even in a lot of dictionaries, for this very reason. Its "equality between the sexes" when they're trying to badger someone into accepting the feminist label or shame them for being critical of feminism. Its "equality for women" when talking about specific issues or when someone asks why they aren't doing anything about problems men face.

And if you question them on this point, then its about "dismantling patriarchy" or some other such nonsense. They'll talk about how the problems men face are really the result of misogyny/patriarchy, and how focusing on women will magically fix mens problems.

For instance, they will often frame the problem of discrimination against fathers in child custody cases as a result of the "mothers as default caregivers" attitude, which they claim is an artifact of patriarchy. Even though fathers used to be the default custodian under the law, and it was feminists who fought to change this (see: The Tender Years Doctrine).

(This is what I mean when I say feminism is just codified gynocentrism. It is simply the doctrine which attempts to force 100% of resources and attention on women and women's interests.)

So when someone in the real world (i.e., not on the internet) asks me why I'm not a feminist, I usually just say "because its not a well-defined term".

SupremeAuthority · 2015-09-18T23:39:21+00:00

Lose this number.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2015-09-19T12:41:03+00:00

Just flip it around: do you believe in equality?

"Of course!"

Well then you're an MRA.

"(Sputtering rage)"

TommyyyGunsss · 2015-09-18T23:52:44+00:00

I get "silly me for believing that women should be equal"

Sasha_ · 2015-09-18T23:53:26+00:00

I always say "If you live longer, you're probably not oppressed."

They never have an answer.

2015-09-19T04:28:26+00:00

"No, but if they keep equating non-activism with hatred, I might start"

Millenia0 · 2015-09-19T05:37:11+00:00

Say you're egaliterian and when she tries to strawman it, stop her.

2015-09-19T05:08:28+00:00

"No. I just don't believe women are more equal than men."

Yerfacemate · 2015-09-19T00:57:00+00:00

As a man what would be so wrong is answering yes to that? Sure I think men are better why not. I don't have experience of being a woman to judge otherwise. I quite enjoy being a man aswell.

Of course though I'm speaking tongue in cheek here but what would actually be so bad if some people felt that way.

marswithrings · 2015-09-19T00:38:25+00:00

So, has the definition of feminism changed? I have always been taught that it means men and women are inherently equal.

Mythandros · 2015-09-19T07:01:44+00:00

Typical circular feminist "logic".

It's laughably ridiculous.

TheRationalChannel · 2015-09-19T08:02:47+00:00

False Dichotomy at its finest -J

RationalistFaith1 · 2015-09-19T09:02:24+00:00

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Wargame4life · 2015-09-19T09:27:32+00:00

personally i would respond with "Oh shit you are clearly one of those batshit hysterical feminists, please delete my number" and then delete her/his number.

there is no value in entertaining appeasing or befriending crazy.

2015-09-19T14:57:48+00:00

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scurvybill · 2015-09-19T17:58:04+00:00

"Nope, just don't think women are better than men."

SarahC · 2015-09-20T05:23:25+00:00

To that I'd reply "I'm an egalitarian."

InDaBauhaus · 2015-09-19T12:27:48+00:00

It only has unlucky name, but feminism means women and men are equal.

It is obviously stupid to assume that not being a feminist means 'men > women' and not consider 'women > men'.

Edit: Correct way to word the message would be: 'So you think men are better than women or women are better than men'

Every sane good person is a feminist, but many are not happy with naming it feminism, because it is not fair, it is just historical name.

Title	Typical
Author	keepthetip
Upvotes	985
Comments	84
Date	September 18, 2015 8:37 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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