Yet another hit piece » “Men’s issues” groups test limit of free speech on campus (comments are positive)

salient_punt · 2013-01-14T20:54:54+00:00

"to maintain our campus as a safe space free from oppression and discrimination". So in order to create an environment free from oppression they want to stop people from attending a speech about rights. I don't even...

panda_samawich · 2013-01-14T23:17:35+00:00

I was angry

Then I read the comments :)

Imthere · 2013-01-14T22:03:18+00:00

They're opposed to free speech:

"In this case, it’s obvious that [Dr.] Farrell had overstepped that limit a few times, not through what he was saying at the lecture, but the content of his other speeches and books, and the way he approaches these issues. It is sexist at the core."

Wow. Sexist speech. Break out the pitchforks!

He's not doing or saying anything illegal, so they should STFU and act like adults.

7wap · 2013-01-14T21:36:12+00:00

What a horribly biased and poorly researched article. It looks like the MRM mob jumped on it. No surprise, it's bait.

Aaod · 2013-01-14T23:42:21+00:00

“I support free speech, but there is no right without its limitation,”

Rights don't come with limitations you moron. I swear to god all politicians and bureaucrats think free speech and our given rights can be restricted to only 12-5 PM on Sundays just because they say so. It doesn't work like that. Do they come with consequences? Yes but not limitations.

"but the content of his other speeches and books, and the way he approaches these issues. It is sexist at the core."

It is sexist to claim men have problems and issues? Okay by that same logic feminists are sexists as well bam you deal with them as well as us.

Three students, including former UTSU president Danielle Sandhu, have been the subject of vitriolic blog posts.

Oh no not vitrolic blog posts won't someone protect my feelings waaaaaaahhhh. You can't say hurtful stuff about people especially online. Sarcasm intended.

OuiCrudites · 2013-01-14T23:49:58+00:00

Everybody be sure to note that they are in opposition to free speech when they disagree with the viewpoints.

In my opinion, this is going to be the next big Feminist power grab in the wider culture and it will likely be supported by people in the government.

dinky_hawker · 2013-01-15T01:04:01+00:00

A Voice for Men has been described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “woman-hating” and a focal point in an expansive misogynistic online network.

isn't this on a femspeak bingo card somewhere?

SarcastiCock · 2013-01-14T22:35:23+00:00

I never thought I'd see the day that UofT sucked harder than York.

DerpaNerb · 2013-01-15T00:26:08+00:00

What a fucking spineless cunt.

"In this case, it’s obvious that [Dr.] Farrell had overstepped that limit a few times, not through what he was saying at the lecture, but the content of his other speeches and books, and the way he approaches these issues. It is sexist at the core."

I wonder how much sex he got for that statement.

if anything this just speaks fucking loads to how little people care about student unions, I didn't know a single person who voted for any position on the student union, hell, I think they even had to redo an election because less than 5% of the student population even voted at my university. No offense, but the only people who care about this shit are self-important douchebags who have free time because their degree only entails 3 courses a semester.

And notice there isn't one mention of the protesters screaming "Fucking scum"... but they are quick to condemn what Farrell says as "hate-speech" without any actual quotes (because if they used quotes, not a single sane person would call it hate-speech).

God that protest was the best thing to ever happen to the MRM. Not only is it a source of what feminism and feminist groups are actually about... but the fact that people try and DEFEND it just makes it SOOO FUCKING EASY to spot the hateful sexist bigots. And what's even better... they actually get a ton of people to read it and get interested, and all you have to do is link the video and let the truth speak for itself, and so we get even more people realizing what a crock of shit modern-day feminism is.

I mean, I don't mean to be rude, simply honest... these people are so fucking stupid it blows my mind. Imagine if they actually condemned the actions of these protesters. Imagine how much good-will they could get (hell, even from me... probably the first person to criticize mainstream feminism), if they actually said "This is NOT what feminism is about, we should be about equality and we shouldnt have to resort to violent and hateful protest to spread our message". But no, instead, they shoot themselves in the foot because they are so fucking stupid, and actually try and defend those useless sacks of shit at the protest.

/end venting session for the day.

CaptainVanderdecken · 2013-01-15T00:37:33+00:00

The feminist media rewrite of events (video), speeches (video), books (print) ie: all painted over as "misogynist hate" is sickening. The author should be publicly demonstrated as a liar, or ignored.

SuperUppercut · 2013-01-15T01:53:22+00:00

I liked the comment that posted the video of Farrell next to the video of the slavering feminazi.

Someone should splice the two.

CosmicKeys · 2013-01-15T04:58:10+00:00

The MRM makes for an easy target because of AVFM attempt at social shaming. You might not like that idea, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Irrelevant_Tosser · 2013-01-15T06:14:54+00:00

Someone really needs to do a comparison video between feminist activists and how many white people treated black people during the civil rights movement. These people have become what the original feminist movement was fighting against.

EDIT: I don't believe that we men are oppressed anywhere near the level that black people endured, I hope no one takes it that way because that is not my intention.

2013-01-15T09:59:49+00:00

Is it incorrect to suggest that definitions of words such as feminism are not immutable over time? Don't the collective actions of a group alter the meanings of words over time?

"An example would be the word nice. Nice used to be an insult and meant foolish or stupid in the 13th century and it went through many changes right through to the 18th century with meanings like wanton, extravagant, elegant, strange, modest, thin, and shy or coy. Now it means a good & pleasing or thoughtful & kind."

Was Feminism ever about equality considering there isn't much difference from the way modern feminism acts compared with the way it acted in E. Belfort Bax's time?

How is lying about a gender wage gap and rigidly believing it as fact promoting equality between the sexes? The obvious goal of the lie is to instate legislation and affirmative action policies that would hurt men's equality. These policies and laws over time would produce an inequality where women earn more, but therein lies the goal - inequality.

Meanings of words and things can be as inconstant as the form of water, and in the special case of feminism, the meaning of the word is used to pull wool over the masses eyes. It is politically incorrect for men to succeed, to be in power, but good for women to succeed and be in power - this double standard allows easy transition for the matriarchy, you warmongering raping battering males. haha

Bobsutan · 2013-01-15T02:23:11+00:00

Fantastic discourse in the comments section. Glad to see people holding their bigotry accountable.

2013-01-15T02:23:46+00:00

The white gender-feminist community hold hegemonic Empowerment over US campuses because they have been "Inflaming" their way to Empowerment with faulty and manufactured statistics.

Mr5306 · 2013-01-15T09:24:46+00:00

The Southern Poverty Law Center views R/mensrights as a hate group.

Can someone please explain this to me?

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-01-15T16:07:02+00:00

“I support free speech, but there is no right without its limitation,”

So no, you don't support free speech. You support speech that you agree with. Full stop.

“In this case, it’s obvious that [Dr.] Farrell had overstepped that limit a few times, not through what he was saying at the lecture, but the content of his other speeches and books, and the way he approaches these issues. It is sexist at the core.”

So the speech they were protesting contained no objectionable material.

A separate document, the “Statement on Free Speech,” adds that “there are limits to the right of free speech” referring specifically to instances “when members of the University use speech as a direct attack that has the effect of preventing the lawful exercise of speech by members or invited guests.”

The protesters then were the only ones violating the universities rules on speech.

Crimson_D82 · 2013-01-15T12:15:10+00:00

Waaaah they are treating us the same way we treat them waaahh!!!

rogersmith25 · 2013-01-14T23:35:16+00:00

Just as predicted, the posting of personal information and subsequent articles has weakened our position. This "The Varsity" article, criticizes A Voice for Men for posting personal information about Toronto students - we had the same discussion on /r/mensrights a month ago.

www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/14bvyh/to_the_university_of_toronto_student_union/

The protest video that showed the "fucking scum" girl, among others, was incredible evidence of how Men's Rights groups were being unfairly attacked and suppressed. A men's rights group just wanted to have an event where we could discuss issues like boys falling behind in schools and men's high suicide rates. And then feminists attacked.

At that point, men's rights groups were victims and the feminist group was the attacker.

But by seeking the identity of and harassing the protestors, the dialogue is about how A Voice for Men is a hate website. Those actions made feminists the victims... again.

Look at the big picture - how little was gained by intimidating a few students, compared to how much was lost by the men's group on campus. I think that this should catalyze a discussion about what is and what is not reasonable action to be taken by the men's rights group, because this was a wasted opportunity.

TL;DR - Harassment and doxxing strategies should be strictly off limits as they give political ammunition to those who wish to characterize the Men's Rights Movement as a violent and misogynistic one.

Title	Yet another hit piece » “Men’s issues” groups test limit of free speech on campus (comments are positive)
Author	dermanus
Upvotes	86
Comments	39
Date	January 14, 2013 8:48 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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