CMV: There are no specific scientific studies that prove these specific points of Red Pill Theory: AWALT, AF/BB for all women, and that following the Blue Pill is incapable of allowing a person to have a successful and happy relationship

alreadyredschool · 2015-05-13T20:19:49+00:00

1) There are studies which prove that "nice guys finish last" is true.

Red Pill Theory is based on unproven hearsay, not scientific studies. Since scientific rigor is lacking from Red Pill Theory, there is no logical reason why anyone should follow it.

I will give you a logical reason: things can be true without having a peer reviewed study. Also things can be useful without being true.

Another good reason to follow it is: it works.

CMV

So your only view is that no studies such exist?

OlBastard · 2015-05-13T20:39:16+00:00

The tenets under which most BPers or most people live their lives aren't proven to be optimal either. What is your point?

Scientists can't exactly get grants to study such polarizing subjects.

TRP is more philosophical, observational, and pragmatic than 'scientifically rigorous' enough to without doubt prove causality.

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-13T20:53:48+00:00

Sigh.

Ok am feeling generous...

1) What if I told you that some women, perhaps many women, follow a 1 guy strategy where they try to get their A and B requirements from one single guy. And that this fits perfectly in our description of AF/BB strategy ? That there are whole sub-divisions of orthodox RP theory that explores this scenario.

Would this change your mind ?

2) FUCK. Every fucking thread. Please define the T in AWALT for me. Fucked if any RP poster can do it in such a way as to get more than 30% of the rest of RP to agree with him.

3) What if I told you that RP believes BPers can have perfectly happy and wonderful relationships ? Would that change your view here ?

I'd also have to go on to add that we believe the odds of such relationships are lower than the odds of RP relationships reaching this goal state. However, that doesn't seem to be your objection. This appears to be that RP thinks this is impossible. Which is, of course, the most utter bollocks.

So ... How might you change your views if what I said above was correct ?

wickedstag · 2015-05-13T21:04:31+00:00

I've said this a lot on this sub, and admittedly it's a mistake most RPers make too, but AWALT does not literally mean all women behave the same and make the same choices. It's meant to be a warning against viewing the some women as special unicorns that are immune to biological urges. It doesn't literally mean all women give in to them. As a corollary I think it would be fair to say all men are physically attracted to younger women and therefore, all men are like that, but that doesn't mean all men chase after 18 year olds all the time. It's not a literal statement.

Regarding your third point, TRP also doesn't say you can't have a happy life with TBP. TRP is a sexual strategy and if that's not really important to you, than you'll probably be fine. In fact TRP does advocate a mix of beta and alpha characteristics in maintaining long term relationships. If you do nothing but alpha her she'll eventually lose interest. It's known as beta reinforcement. Although often talked about negatively (because it is a negative when it comes to just banging), beta is not inherently bad and alpha is not inherently good. It all depends on the context and what you're trying to achieve. The place many RP may say BP is causing unhappiness is when we see unfortunate stories which could have easily been avoided had the man known a little more about sexual strategy.

phomaniac · 2015-05-13T22:11:58+00:00

Your view is that because there is no scientific rigor, there is no reason why anyone should follow it?

Religion, any sort of exclusion diet, there's a shit ton of things people shouldn't follow things according to your view.

You also say in point #3 that TRP uses gross generalization. You also paint TRP with the same gross generalization.

drok007 · 2015-05-13T20:23:07+00:00

Lol it's funny that you assume this is science and requires scientific rigor. That whole premise is crap. Hell, soft science doesn't have scientific rigor. That's why their "scientific" studies are all jacked up. If you want to say this is science, you need to first prove that this actually is science, and that it is worth a damn.

http://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/260096/on_studies/

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article/asset?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124.PDF

cwolflarsen · 2015-05-13T21:05:09+00:00

I could sit on my thumb for an eternity and wait for academia to tell me what the laws are regarding human social interaction; or, I can rely on information that makes sense to me and take action from there.

Like a lot of RPers, I was what I would call BP. I think being BP resulted in a lot of unhappiness. Therefore, I have a pretty good idea of what doesn't work for me. RP theory, in many respects, makes sense to me in light of my experience. I want keep what works and disregard what doesn't.

cxj · 2015-05-13T22:01:48+00:00

Your statement is correct, there ARE no published scientific studies proving TRP theory. Even if there was funding for such studies and no social consequences for conducting/publishing them, it would still be extremely hard to execute, you would literally need to test "alpha" approaches vs "Beta" approaches and film bedrooms and bathrooms and cars and shit to see who was having sex, what kind of sex and how often. It would just be insanely hard to pull off and present massive amounts of legal/ethical issues.

I think the mistake your making is that TRP exists to "prove" something to society when in reality its a tool for men to get laid.

sumant28 · 2015-05-14T00:11:50+00:00

I'm sure there probably aren't scientific studies proving Machiavellian ideas like as a leader it is better to be respected than loved or that mercenary soldiers are untrustworthy and shouldn't be relied upon in favour of voluntary soldiers.

A lot of this is just common sense and is observable in the world around us, if you choose that you find it offensive and don't want to believe it that's no skin off my back.

verisverse · 2015-05-14T00:49:32+00:00

AF/BB: women are attracted to good looking men (Alphas) who they want to have sex with and Betas that they want to provide for them. There are no scientific studies which prove that all women on the planet follow AF/BB.

You want scientific studies proving that women are attracted to good looking men? I think the better question you want to ask is what constitutes 'good looking' and 'attractive.' Are women attracted to toxic masculinity- muscles, strength, aggression, power, domination? Trp says yes, on a hindbrain, sexual level they are indeed, unfortunately, attracted to those things. It's a sad realization for intelligent people, that's why there is so much anger, but it is what it is.

Due to political correctness, I doubt there will be studies that try to come to this exact conclusion.

obstinatebeagle · 2015-05-14T04:21:58+00:00

Feminism has no scientific basis either

So what?

Nerf_Circus · 2015-05-14T05:13:00+00:00

Red Pill Theory is based on unproven hearsay, not scientific studies. Since scientific rigor is lacking from Red Pill Theory, there is no logical reason why anyone should follow it.

Most workout programs aren't based on scientific studies. Yet 1000's follow them religiously. These people don't care there is no study to back it up. They follow them because of personal results. Lack of 'Scientific rigor' doesn't = no logical reason to follow it.

1) AF/BB:... There are no scientific studies which prove that all women on the planet follow AF/BB.

Again observations by an individual line up with AF/BB. What does it matter? I'm 100% sure I have read papers to the effect of AF/BB as a female mating strategy.

2) AWALT: TRPers believe that all women fit within a certain mold. Besides all women following AF/BB, they believe several other things about women, such as women loving men differently and that a woman can never truly love a man. There are no scientific studies which prove that all women on the planet are like that.

Can't really address this as it's different for everyone. I feel that AWALT are just natural failing of women, that can be over come. Other believe that it is fixed. What AWALT encompasses varies too.

3) TRPers believe that following The Blue Pill would cause a person to have an unhappy and unfulfilling short term and long term relationship. This is a gross generalization.

I was converted to Red Pill not by a few posts on the internet but by life experiences lining up exactly with those posts. Go out interact with people in clubs try it for a night blue pill. Then try it red pill. I'm leading you to water but you must choose to drink. 2 nights of your life is all it will take.

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