Not sure what happened over the past few years, but trp has taken on a huge incel spike. On this subreddit at least incel talking points have become the cornerstone of trpers here (not so much on the actual trp subreddit though.) What I mean is that to redpillers here, they don't really believe in game insofar as it is traditionally understood. To them, female attraction is solely looks based.

On the other hand, blue pillers take the agnostic route most of the time. Their commentary on 'game' is nonexistent outside of "be yourself." This is because the blue pill isn't a real thing, it is simply an anti-pill. It's existence is based on a rejection of trp ideals, not so much based on a foundation of anything real.

I ask this because I find this discussion to be extremely interesting. I was a KHHV for a while, until I decided to make a change in college. I learned primarily from rsd infield and started going to parties and making new friends. I think in the two years I took game seriously I may have had sex with maybe 25 attractive, mostly sorority type, girls. I didn't go to the gym, I am not rich, and I'm average looking.

So what gives? Does game not exist? Is it really all about money or looks?