Q4RP: Does every man need TRP?

redpillschool · 2016-05-10T18:36:22+00:00

I think that any man would be better off with a better understanding of reality, even if only to help aid with any confusion he might have over his decision making. Even a natural alpha will occasionally make mistakes, so it will be best if he understands what those mistakes are.

PemBayliss · 2016-05-10T19:03:43+00:00

No, not every man needs TRP. There are men who got formed up correctly, had a good, well adjusted upbringing, and learned adequately how to cope with loss and adversity. There are men who had sufficient experience with people growing up and adequately learned how to forge and sustain interpersonal relationships successfully. There are men who did well in all their relationships. There are men who just got really really lucky. There are men who are natural alphas and do very well with women; men who "just get it".

These are the men who don't need TRP.

CovenantoftheSun · 2016-05-10T19:13:46+00:00

Men who are happy being emasculated are in denial. Men are much happier being free than being pussy whipped. Women hate this because it goes against their interests of controlling men. Men who are truly happy being a slave to the whims of another person are either the exception to the rule or a myth altogether.

Either way, all men or the vast majority of men are happier being free.

burkhart722 · 2016-05-10T19:14:26+00:00

I think all men should be exposed to the ideas discussed in RP, feel free to choose for themselves what is valid and what is misguided women hate. I have found both during my time on TRP.

Some of the more thought out in depth posts have incredibly insightful well thought out advice about yourself and the world around you.

Some of them are angry men scorned by women and looking for a place to rant about their failures.

You have to be able to see the difference and learn from both.

exit_sandman · 2016-05-10T19:23:41+00:00

Some need it more than others, but generally knowing about it won't hurt.

All men need TRP/RP ideas. Our culture is gynocentric and men who think they are happy are either wrong or just lucky and will not remain lucky for long.

I wouldn't necessarily agree to "will not remain lucky for long". If you're lucky and find a woman who's loyal to a fault through all adversity, that sort of luck can carry you very far. But the thing is - one can't rely on being so lucky.

My father was. His father definitely wasn't.

bornredd · 2016-05-10T20:57:53+00:00

I didn't need TRP, but it sure did make my life better.

[deleted] · 2016-05-10T22:28:59+00:00

Yes all men should be at the least red pill aware. However I personally hope this does not occur as this means more competition for me. I like my competitive edge and I have had to work hard to get here. If red pill knowledge becomes mainstream, I will need to work much harder. Alternately I would have to start using blue pill dating methods just to stand out. Red pill works, have no doubt about that, I like it underground not mainstream.

danxmason · 2016-05-11T00:06:51+00:00

Every man needs it, not every man should have it.

despisedlove2 · 2016-05-11T01:32:47+00:00

All men need to be raised with them.

Many aren't.

Where is the contradiction?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-05-11T17:20:50+00:00

masculine men are already naturally RP,m they dont "need" RP because they are naturals, they are what RP is analyzing and emulating

PhantomDream09 · 2016-05-10T19:12:44+00:00

RP ideas are not the "one true path" to either success or happiness. Lots of people find happiness without ever knowing about RP ideas. Some people are just attractive, successful, personable and can do anything they want and other people will still find them desirable. They might be 'naturals' -- but I think that there's a tendency to point to any successful person and say "oh well they're just RP and they don't know it" even if that person goes against a lot of TRP's ideas about what makes someone successful (very affectionate, with an abundance of 'beta' behaviors - the argument here is usually "they're so ripped/attractive that they can afford to be less dominant").

Just as the C/FO dynamic is not the only relationship dynamic, RP ideas are not the only way for people to find either happiness or success. It honestly makes me sad when people start fussing with a stable, happy relationship and change things around just because they found some random internet forum. If a person is happy, and satisfied with life- there's no reason to start making changes out of the blue. I could never be happy in a poly or open relationship, and I know there are other people that would never be happy in a monogamous relationship.

I tend to think that certain things can help just about anyone, but it's by no means a 'must.'

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darkmoon09 · 2016-05-10T19:24:52+00:00

We already know that TRP attracts the lesser beta/omega types who most definitely do need it; the guys who may not be so well-adjusted, that being said some guys may need it more than others, some didn't really need it as much or not at all; they we well-adjusted and "just got it" so when they look at TRP they may be a bit perplexed by some if it's more hostile language and be like "in other news the sky is blue", other guys may not have had too much trouble finding partners but they're feminized/BP thinking at the time caused him to be in a position where they were cheated on or divorce raped. All that said, I think men at large can definitely be more enlightened on the greater issues involving gynocentrism.

Entropy-7 · 2016-05-10T19:34:23+00:00

Even the Bloopers on Reddit are "Red Pill" in that they have been exposed to the ideas. They agree with everything that personally strikes them as patently obvious but they have their presumably charmed lives as counter examples to the balance of what they read.

With respect to 2) You can lead a horse to water: if they continue to drink Kool Aid, that is their business.

With respect to 1) there seems to be four types of guys on TRP:

The younger guys who are struggling to get women
30/40 something guys coming out of a bad LTR/marriage
Either of the above who stick around after resolving the immediate crisis
Guys who want more

The third type of guys are no longer failures while the fourth were never failures to begin with.

stats135 · 2016-05-10T21:54:38+00:00

There is no conflict because "Men who have failed romantically" is as near as makes no difference the same as "All men."

The problem arises when we question what "failed" means. The way I see it, saying only men who "failed" romantically need RP is like saying only men who "failed" financially needs to invest and earn money. Sure, a small minority of men can just wake up to blowjobs everyday and have more money than they can ever hope to spend. But 99.99% of men do not have such luxury.

AceFlashheart · 2016-05-10T22:50:25+00:00

No, not necessarily. If you can live a successful life buying into a lot of the crap that makes up conventional wisdom then good for you. I'd say that a lot of silicone valley is SJW as hell, but still obviously successful.

It's just as times get harder the ability to deny reality becomes more and more of a liability. Look at the complete non-existence of a left-wing in Israel. Nothing like 30 years of constant rocket attacks to cleanse you of left wing delusions.

Nazrath2112 · 2016-05-11T01:37:43+00:00

I think there is a difference between, as Morpheus said, there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. For the people who are already walking the path then this is not needed, but could improve them. For those not walking the path then knowing the path is the first step to walking it.

So not every man NEEDS rp but almost every man could benefit from it.

Title	Q4RP: Does every man need TRP?
Author	MissMaude
Upvotes	6
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Date	May 10, 2016 6:12 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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