The SMP doesn’t need to be fixed.

wtknight · 2020-03-08T14:12:26+00:00

It makes it so that men are forced to be the best that they can be- whether in looks, strength, intelligence, wealth, athleticism or general importance. I’m willing to bet that half of the world’s greatest inventions would not exist if it weren’t for this fact.

Didn't these things happen in a monogamous, religious society where women were basically culturally forced to marry one man, though?

2020-03-08T15:42:08+00:00

I’m willing to bet that half of the world’s greatest inventions would not exist if it weren’t for this fact.

Most great geniuses in history were voluntarily or involuntarily celibate.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2020-03-08T13:55:48+00:00

Trp isnt about "fixing" the SMP though, its about a man individually navigating it to the best of their abilities. So i guess thats the implicit V ill try to C

DeuxPistolets · 2020-03-08T13:54:45+00:00

Such an “edgy” and “original” take on the dynamics of sexual attraction of the opposite sex. You’re basing all of this on the premise that the overwhelming majority of women are only going to be attracted to a small portion of men (the most desirable). It’s bullshit. Let me guess, you’re going to use the OKC study with it’s weak causal inferences to cite as your “proof”. Your logic is, as illustrated above, is flawed and disjointed. You’re attempting to correlate human behavior as all being synergistically related to men attempting to increase their SMV. It was cringeworthy to read.

(This is coming from an attractive male that has no problems getting women, btw.).

TheJim66 · 2020-03-08T13:41:59+00:00

You are assuming that the criteria women use for their selections are good criteria.Truth is however that their standards haven't evolved from the times of the caveman and aren't adapted to modern society's needs.They don't go for the nerd genius they go for the hot drug dealer .

You can't see an SMP where 1 in 3 men can't get laid within a year and say that it's fine.There is definitely something wrong with it.Social media and OLD have caused Hypergamy to go in overdrive and standards to rise on an unrealistic level.Men that women used to find good enough are now left out of the SMP.

cuckspace · 2020-03-08T13:46:52+00:00

Most of the world’s greatest discoveries were made by lifelong incels.

They weren’t motivated by the desire for pussy I can assure you.

Most truly great men saw women for who they really are and focussed exclusively on their work in response.

I agree the SMP doesn’t need to be fixed. If anything we need to encourage women to ramp up the hypergamy. It’s the surest path to revolution and a return to the true sexual market.

Cicero_Johnson · 2020-03-08T14:40:57+00:00

LOL!!!!

As if there was only ONE SMP!!!

Totally serious--where do people come up with this concept that all members of the opposite sex are identical psychological clones of each other???

Seriously, some of the dating "theories" I read in here are as unrealistic as someone arguing that EVERYONE loves fried Spam dipped in fish oil!

Skip the RP/BP/Rules Girl self-delusions. Be and project what you want, and you will find it. If you WANT a money grubbing gold-digger, work on your income level to the detriment of all other factors, and let every woman you know that you want a trophy wife and nothing else will do. You WILL find women lining up for the position.

If you want a life partner that values you for you, don't try and impress her with your career--impress her by the fact you genuinely care about her life and her ideas. (You know--ask her about how she feels about issues and--and this is the important part--actually listen to her when she tells you.)

If you want a sex partner, go out to a bar, walk up to a woman who is of pretty much equal looks level to you, and politely proposition her. (I know normal guys that do this, and their success rate SUCKS--from my envious position, that is. (Ie. they get laid a LOT!)

Also, guys, I can't stress this enough--unless you WANT kids, make sure all the women you associate with KNOW that you do not want kids. It will IMMEDIATELY send all the BP/Gold Digger chicks scurrying like rats being sprayed with kerosene. The ones that don't want kids themselves will be more likely to find you a wee bit more interesting and engage in conversation wit you.

"Dating" as our society views it is designed to facilitate future baby mamas finding a paycheck with a temporary penis attachment. They service the penis for a short period of time in exchange for a lifetime of money. (Note: I am not calling these women "whores". Actual whores are far more honest about what they are trading in!)

Skip all that. Talk to women about the things you do and find interesting. MAKE SURE TO FLIRT--NO ONE EVER LEAVES THE FRIEND-ZONE ONCE THEY ENTER IT!!!! If she express an interest, invite her along. It doesn't matter if it is rock-climbing, the premier of some new movie you actually want to see, or a local exhibit on medieval torture at the local museum. Express your interest. If she expresses an interest as well, ask if she would like to come along. If she say yes, you have a date. Dress nice. Be well groomed. Engage in conversation with her, and ask her what she thinks about things.

To a lot of women out there, a high-value man is one who doesn't treat her like a piece of ass--whether that ass is perceived as high-value or not. Those women want a best friend for life. Not knocking the gold-diggers out there--some men only want a commercial transaction. But if you want a best friend who gives you awesome sex, you have to BE a best friend, and not accept "good enough, I suppose".

taapy234 · 2020-03-08T15:15:44+00:00

The hard truth is that the SMP is exactly the way it should be

Actually, its causing long term damage to society and women's marriage/LTR potential.

Women going for the best they can and men going for everything they can is not only incredibly sensical from a biological standpoint, but societal.

They are not "best" in a useful, society bulidling sense. They are only "best" in the sense that it fulfills their short term interests over long term. In fact, SMP is actively destablizing society by harming men in the short term (rising sexlessness among men) and harming women in the long term (rising numbers of single women who struggle to find a man for marriage)

It makes it so that men are forced to be the best that they can be- whether in looks, strength, intelligence, wealth, athleticism or general importance.

But SMP is decimating the morale of many men to the point that a lot of them are giving up on this competition though. Do you really think this is good for men OR women? Now the only guys who are playing in the SMP are chads and other top 20% men.

I’m willing to bet that half of the world’s greatest inventions would not exist if it weren’t for this fact.

But these things happened under traditional system. What does this has to do with SMP though? Sexual market place != Relationship market place.

The world never has and never will work this way.

Must be in the fantasy world of yours. It worked in the past. It works in many parts of the world even today. And it definitely used to work here in the west.

TL;DR- SMP needs to be fixed because its causing harm to men (in the short term) and women (in the long term)

NockerJoe · 2020-03-08T15:32:58+00:00

You're assuming every dude wants casual primarily. I'd be down for an LTR right now but don't like any of the women in my life right now. Because the average woman is as deficient as the average man.

Which is the bit you people always forget about. Why the fuck should a dude to be happy to settle with a woman knocking on the door to morbid obesity as a statistically average woman is? Or a woman who's physically not that great and has genes as shitty as that 5'6 indian programmer women here love to conjure up to talk about failing guys? Or a woman who, like somewhere between a quarter and a third of the female gender, has some variation of depression and anxiety.

The prize you get for playing the game isn't that great. Acting like women don't have as many or even more flaws compared to the dudes getting passed up is disingenuous.

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CHAD_TDK · 2020-03-08T19:55:09+00:00

You got it right!

The SPM as we know it today, it's part of the status quo to which we all participate with our action.

People who want to change it, what they really mean is :

I am right (not me, the people talking)
You (or a certain group of people) are wrong, therefore change your behavior the way I tell you to do
BONUS (optional): Do as I say, not as I do.

You can't change the world, but if could change yourself, be the change you want to see in the world.

blue_neck69 · 2020-03-08T21:58:28+00:00

Women will believe this until they are 30 years old, childless, still stuck with debt, and in a middle management position without a future promotion. Then they'll start attacking men dating men dating younger women who have a higher SMP.

6r15movement · 2020-03-08T22:55:14+00:00

Well I'd love nothing more than to see the collapse of western civilization and every privilege enjoyed by women taken away from them, so I agree

And marriage laws definitely do need to be fixed, everything else is who cares, what happens happens

I’m willing to bet that half of the world’s greatest inventions would not exist if it weren’t for this fact

This is a byproduct of biology, men strive to achieve because of pussy but regardless of it, which is why so many important figures in every science were proto incels. You should also note that the most successful people in the world are the least likely to have kids. If you want to play the eugenics card.

rus9384 · 2020-03-08T13:40:59+00:00

It makes it so that men are forced to be the best that they can be- whether in looks, strength, intelligence, wealth, athleticism or general importance.

It would make sense if only men's genes and property were heritable.

Otherwise, making it harder for women and easier for men is not gonna make things worse.

The world never has and never will work this way.

This sounds defeatist.

If you don't believe in something, then don't. But don't drag others down.

You can force women to go for sub-par men but they’ll never actually desire them

Wrong. Many women desire (at least slightly) men they choose be in relationships with, and yet they would not hook up with them in the current environment.

With that said, yeah, SMP on its own needs nothing. It is not a being with needs. Those are participants who need something.

Title	The SMP doesn’t need to be fixed.
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Date	March 8, 2020 1:23 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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