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30yo guy posts in r/AskMen saying how he sees TRP confirmed all around him, but still isn't "that bitter" to accept it

SgtBrutalisk

January 20, 2014
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Title 30yo guy posts in r/AskMen saying how he sees TRP confirmed all around him, but still isn't "that bitter" to accept it
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SgtBrutalisk

Upvotes 96
Comments 114
Date January 20, 2014 2:12 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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Comments

[–]DanReggins 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I understand where he's coming from exactly.

His issues go beyond women. He admitted that he fundamentally is not and cannot fit in to the local society. Lonely isn't a strong enough word -- he's a literal omega type because he has "failed" to conform to the loser culture predominant in his area.

This absolutely will affect people psychologically and make game/frame so much harder to maintain.

He needs to move. He's acknowledged that. But that's only scratching the surface.

Just because he moves doesn't mean that he won't bring some lingering issues/damage with him. He will. If he stays away from excessive alcohol and gets some good psychological and social support from the beginning, it's an uphill battle that will take time, but he can make progress.

He's come close enough to swallowing trp that he'll come around.

[–]someotherdudeagain 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A functional/civilized society would value guys with his characteristics. But ours is one that operates by the laws of the jungle - raw attraction over all. The place is falling apart, so you gotta learn to enjoy the decline. It's not the 1950s anymore.

[–]alt30313 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with everything you wrote. Moving could help him but it would not solve his problems.

fundamentally is not and cannot fit in to the local society.

I see his failure to fit in as a personal failing. Everyone is capable of making a handful of close friends no matter where they are.

Why can't he hang out with the people at his gym and the guys he plays basketball with? Why can't he hangout with the people he knows professionally socially? Why can't he get involved with his community? Why doesn't he cheer on the Razorbacks and/or the local community college with local sports fans? Why cant he get to know his neighbors and their hobbies and interact with them? Why doesn't he pick up golf or tennis? Why can't he join the Country club or a civic organization?

The guys problem is not he can't fit in with local society. His problem is he doesn't know how to interact with people socially and women in general. He's also hurting himself by not going out on Saturday nights and working on Sundays. Most people work 9-5 M-F and let lose on the weekend. By eliminating all of Sunday and Saturday night he's handicapping himself.

The OP in question is the 1% for his racial demographic in his area. He should not be lonely. He's fit, somewhat outgoing, educated, articulate and professionally successful. He should be beating women off with a stick and have numerous friends.He just needs to change how he interacts with people. I also don't believe the I'm not accepted by white society excuse. Articulate professional black people are also well received and welcomed in social groups and neighborhoods of equally accomplished and classy people. Yeah there are some racist but they're generally in the minority or the lower class people you wouldn't want to associate with. I lived in the south, my families in the south and its been my experience that black people that "act white"(his words) are generally welcomed by the middle class.

[–]DanReggins 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Great comments!

Why doesn't he pick up golf or tennis? Why can't he join the Country club?

Christ dude, I'm white with blond hair and hazel eyes, but even then I'm not white enough to do that! Do they still wear those big fluffy wrist and headbands? Can I get one with a big anarchy A on it?

Your shotgun approach is right though. Someone in this position needs to fully consider every possible angle available to them, even if some aren't workable in his particular case, and just go with the better options.

He just needs to change how he interacts with people. I also don't believe the I'm not accepted by white society excuse. Articulate professional black people are also well received...

Agreed. This is the angle that I would prefer, too -- dress well and join professional/civic organizations. If someone worked and studied too much, well hey -- at least they should know their profession well enough to share common ground with others in it.

[–]alt30313 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not white enough to do that! Do they still wear those big fluffy wrist and headbands?

You laugh but I've got a black (former college) friend that's a member of a country club in a southern state. He's more white than me. He plays golf wears the hats and preppy clothes ect. ect. He's got a great sense of humor and everyone loves/knows him. He uses his minority status to his advantage socially and professionally. He has huge social proof in and outside the group. His opinions are respected form his individual perspective and when he choses sometimes taken as the black voice/minority prospective.

I think OP should work both angles. He could also be a leader and example in the black community. OP is the figurative 1%. So he wouldn't have a hard time finding acceptance in his communities racial groups/civic organizations. From reading OP's post I know he's not religious but he could still enter the church occasionally or for a short period to jump start his social life. The church is still big in the south and he could use it as an avenue to connect to individuals and his community. I knew a lot of Sunday Christians growing up.

[–]Modified_Hackware 48 points49 points50 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You don't need to be bitter for TRP, just have enough spine to swallow a bitter pill.

Still using weak excuses for being weak even though he knows the truth.

He might not make it brahs.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Reading his replies it's very clear that he's aware of the bullshit he's been fed for so long. I don't think he's making excuses. He's stubborn and takes confort in admitting defeat. He's 30 and seems to think he's too old to change anything - shown by his choice of phrasing ( " All I had to do was grow some dreads and dress like a thug")

Plus the guy sounds really desperate and lonely - he's brutally honest. He probably made the thread to vent and look for confirmation of his defeatist attitude, and maybe some NAWALT assurance from strangers over the internet.

He's definitely figuring it out but he's given up before even trying anything different.

[–]GerhardtDH 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I told my self over and over that I've already given up, I was just born to be a beta provider, ect, but I never really did give up. Sometimes growing up and becoming wiser happens in quick and sparsely spaced out moments of realization. Sometimes its at 5 in the morning after you've been up for 30 hours straight, pumping down bong hits and vodka.

[–]BooksofMagic 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes growing up and becoming wiser happens in quick and sparsely spaced out moments of realization.

This is how taking the Red Pill has been for me. A whirlwind of understanding and connecting the dots in my past failed relationships. The end result has been a strange sort of peace. True understanding has a profound effect...

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And he doesn't deserve to either. That guy even knows what reality looks like, yet chooses to ignore it.

[–]Kimjungillestt 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people just don't want to accept that they have to change. Its easier for people to make excuses to keep doing what they're doing.

[–]ekjohnson9 58 points59 points60 points 12 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

Black guy in Arkansas who is into Jazz Piano and works in IT.

Dude needs to move somewhere civilized.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I like the South a lot more then I like the North-East. People call themselves "civilized" yet they act like barbarians to get other.

[–]ekjohnson9 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He needs to move to a higher income area, a major city that has the resources for his hobbies and interests, there are some wonderful 1mil+ people cities in the south.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I cannot stand cities. They are way to impersonal for my tastes. I do not think that blanket advice to move to a city is the correct way to deal with societal problems.

[–]TfahsNoriEht 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's personal preference. Towns and small cities get boring way too fast for me. With big cities there's something/someone new every night.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree it is all personal preference. I, personally, cannot stand how impersonal people are to each other. I love walking to the local store and talking to almost everyone on the way there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

On the flip side though, there's true abundance. TRP can preach the abundance principal all you want, but in podunk Georgia where theres more alligators than people, it is like high school. Burn the wrong bridges, your career halts. Get a bad rep from one woman telling lies, well, now you're the town player-douche.

I've lived in LA and SF, two of the wealthiest most abundant cities in the world when it comes to both opportunity and women. I also grew up in a run down part of NYC. Yes the concentration of humans brings the filth rising to the top. Yes it is a meat market of people all competing and fucking and hoarding status symbols. I hate cities in many ways and I'd love to live in a cabin I made in the wilderness someday.

But for a guy trying to build status and women, especially a guy in his 20s 30s, it really pays to be in the hub of humans.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But you can never form community in a city. In a city everyone is transcendental to the city. It is only in small towns where you, as a human being, truly matter. In a city you in theory are free from all forms of cultural pressures, however, you do not have the freedom to truly dictate the culture and community as it forms around you. It is only in a small town where false accusations can be given no mind because everyone knows that you are a respectable man and knows that the women is a lair.

[–]culofiesta 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny, I lived in both the South and Northeast and thought the people in the South behaved much worse

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess like all things in the world everything is in context.

[–]someotherdudeagain 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Atlanta is a wonderful city. Had some great times there.

[–]angryadult 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate the north-east as well, but I prefer west coast to both of them :) I find the south just a little too pushy and clique-y.

[–]nawmsane 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a cop-out. He knows it. Why don't you know it? Of course there are better women elsewhere, but he's in a shit hole and he still can't get a woman. He's not being picky.

[–]ekjohnson9 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A fresh start can do wonders. If anything I'd rather be lonely in an interesting place than digging my own grave.

[–]trudatness 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Tampa, Florida might be alright.

If you can't get laid in Tampa, then there's absolutely no hope.

[–]Kimjungillestt 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Visited Tampa once. Can confirm.

[–]trudatness 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't call it Trampa Bay for nothing.

[–]sirpsycho3 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Born and raised in Tampa, what are other places compared to here?

[–]angryadult 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. A put-together black dude should be beating girls off with a stick. Any major metro in the north and he'll be the king of pussy.

[–]alt30313 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Dude needs to move somewhere civilized.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I've got family in Arkansas. Articulate professional black people are well received and welcomed in social groups and neighborhoods of equally accomplished and classy people. Yeah there are some racist but they're generally in the minority or the lower class people you wouldn't want to associate with. The OP in question is also the figurative "1%" for his racial demographic in his area.

His problem is he doesn't know how to interact socially.

You cant wait for some one to invite you to the table. You either have to invite people to your party or invite yourself to theirs (you have to risk rejection).

I bet the guy hasn't made it a priority to get to know his neighbors and their hobbies. Neighborhood bbqs, college football/sport game nights, are an easy way to meet and interact with people.

Why the fuck is he not hanging out with the people he plays basketball with? Why the fuck doesn't he pick up golf or tennis? Country clubs are huge in the south for socializing and entertaining.

He should consider church to even though he's not a big believer. Then again he doesn't go out on Saturday nights and works on Sunday. He's handicapping himself

This guy would be in high demand if he knew how to talk or interact with women.

Fuck the "it's the the south," "the south is racist," the south is uncivilized" bullshit. Yes, he'd do better in a metropolitan area, but the OP in question is the problem. OP can move and be more successful but at the end of the day he'll still have problems in "the city" if he can't relate to women and interact socially.

[–]ekjohnson9 -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't be so butthurt

[–]alt30313 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Butthut

To say it's the south is a cop out. If he knew how to interact socially he'd would not be lacking friends. If he knew how to interact with women he'd be beating women off with a stick. Again, the OP in question is the 1% for his racial demographic in his area. I honestly could care less about the OP or your opinion. Saying fuck and bolding words does not mean I care or am emotional about an issue. It's for flair and to make parts of my post more evocative.

[–]ekjohnson9 -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did I say go north? Learn to read. The dude has hobbies and interests he needs to get out of a backwoods shit hole. Don't take it personally bud. It's not a cure all, but it's a start. Of course the guy needs to grow a dick.

[–]alt30313 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Did I say go north? Learn to read.

I never implied that you said he needed to go north. I never said he needed to move north either, I implied that he could move to a more metropolitan area and be more successful. However moving will not solve all his problems. Apparently you're the one with the reading comprehension problem.

At the end of the day he's the problem and he's standing in his own way. Your suggestion he needs to grow a dick is not a solution. He's educated, successful, articulate, fit and outgoing. The problem is how he interacts with people. He apparently has no problem putting himself out there and getting rejected. He just needs to interact with people differently, seek out quality people for social activities, pursue more activities that allow him to meet quality/fun people and interact with women differently. The guy does not go out and socialize on Saturday's and works on Sunday.

[–]Ryokurin 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In a lot of ways, I'm that guy, and seriously It wont help.

I can see several faults in his thinking, reading through that thread. First he's still stuck on race and fitting in with a group of people. Getting to a bigger city may help erase that but it's not going to help the "I'm the smartest guy in the room" vibe that he's also is putting out.

At his current state, (which I admit is pretty much what happened to me) it will go one of two ways. He'll move to a large city and become even more isolated and depressed if not suicidal, or he'll luck up and find someone that meets his requirements but at some point they'll also shit on him, and then he'll truly be bitter.

Maybe being bitter for a while will be good if it causes him to wake up, but then the problem will be trying to separate his bitterness from truly standing up for himself and being authentic. He's got a long road ahead of him the longer he resists it.

[–]ekjohnson9 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not a cure all, but it's a start.

[–]Johnny_Shades 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This has nothing to do with how he's being taken advantage of and not getting girls. This sounds like a response from /r/askmen. It's his attitude and demeanor that are fucking him over.

[–]ekjohnson9 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Ad Hom? Really? It's a start bud, I agree he needs to change his approach but I can't see how moving to an area that can cater to his interests as a bad thing.

[–]Johnny_Shades -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I love that when someone disagrees with you they run to point out ad hom. Your advice is blue pill because it makes the guy think it's not him, its just the environment! Of course, thats been it all along. The reason he hasn't been on a date since 2009 isn't about him. It's the environment. That's a load of shit. He's as beta as they come.

"Dude needs to move somewhere more civilized". I live in a small college town as well and while the locals are pretty damn uncivilized, the majority of college kids are educated and open to other ideas, unlike most locals. At least in my experience.

[–]ekjohnson9 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How long have you been here, honestly. You're taking everything I say personally and having a little tantrum. I didn't make excuses for him, learn how to read and separate the words on the page from the speaker.

[–]Johnny_Shades 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've been here for months, but I've had these ideas before I saw this subreddit. I'm not taking shit personally at all, simply comparing it to knowledge I've picked up. You saying I'm have a tantrum is almost equivalent to saying "you mad, bro??" because you have no argument reply with. Read your first post again, and tell me you're not making exuses. It's exactly what you're doing.

[–]ekjohnson9 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bullshit. Just because the dude needs to move doesn't mean all his issues will be resolved. It's a start, there is no cure all.

[–]Johnny_Shades 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A better start to a cure all would begin with him, not his location.

[–]Blaw40 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you the South is where it's at.

[–]ekjohnson9 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did I say move north?

[–]Blaw40 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I said fuck you the South is where it's at.

[+]st4rcrafty -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh fuck yourself you yuppie faggot.

[–]ekjohnson9 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Expound your post or delete it.

[–]TfahsNoriEht 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm poor and bitter about it."

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He's ripe for some real Red Pill.

He's even classically frustrated by the "Be confident!!" advice spewed out 70+ times in the thread.

Textbook case, really.

how can i be confident when litearlly every girl i tried to talk to the last 5 years has rejected me, stood me up, lied to me.

Easy, take women off the pedestal. Stop caring about if they're going to judge you, stop caring and being worried about being not good enough, stop caring if you're going to be alone tonight/this weekend/on your birthday. Some 30 year old divorcees with alimony and child support payments would kill for your "loneliness" at 30 years old.

He is thinking about attraction from the eyes of a man ("I look good, smell good, dress above average") those things are just bonuses for women, not the core of attraction. He would love to settle with a girl who looks good, smells good, and dresses above average, so he thinks that's all he needs to get girls attracted to him.

Shame he denounced Red Pill already, he'd actually get closer to a modicum of success here.

Enjoy incel, bro!

[–]FAwhy 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

He is thinking about attraction from the eyes of a man ("I look good, smell good, dress above average") those things are just bonuses for women, not the core of attraction. He would love to settle with a girl who looks good, smells good, and dresses above average, so he thinks that's all he needs to get girls attracted to him.

You know i keep falling for this too. Can you point me to anything to get a better idea of what women are actually attracted to?

I tend to also fall into the insecurity trap a lot of thinking i'm NOT good enough, fit enough, rich enough etc and it kills my confidence (which isn't that great to begin with). I go back into thinking that all women care about is looks/status/money, or that Girls won't fuck me because of my race, etc... I fall back in my beta ways and start listening to what girls say they want...

Rejection also hurts my confidence and sends me back into a negative state. Its getting easier but still hurts a lot because it brings up all those insecurities to the surface again.

Can you set me straight! Thanks

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can start by reading "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover if you haven't already.

Remember, there are no shortcuts and it will require a lot of serious work on yourself to become free from bluepill paradigm. Just keep reading r/TRP daily.

[–]Dick_Rockhard 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/u/SgtBrutalisk us right. Also, you should read and re-read the sidebar material if you haven't already.

[–]The_CEO_of_Beta 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Just be confident!" - typical reddit advice.

Confidence means horseshit if you don't have any game.

"Game? OMG GAME IS ORAL RAPE!"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The biggest thing about confidence that it's a cycle, a win in life spurs confidence, and that confidence allows you to take more risks to eventually get more wins. For this same reason, it's really hard to get that first "win" because you have nothing starting the cycle, you don't have your "win" to derive confidence from, so you can't start the cycle.

So you basically need to force your way into starting a cycle of confidence, and there are techniques to do this, usually all based on some sort of risk, including:

  • Fake it til you make it: The famous line, fake like you've already had your first "win" or multiple "wins" and eventually you'll find yourself in the self-reinforcing confidence cycle as if you were never faking it at all. You do run the risk of getting exposed, however.

  • Improvisation when leaving your comfort zone: Throw yourself into the fray, most people live their lives building up a comfort zone to avoid risks. By leaving your comfort zone you dramatically increase your chances of getting a win of some sort.

  • Studying, emulating, copying successful people: Knowledge is power. Read up on what to do, what others have done, and apply that to your life. Studying alone isn't enough, and you always need to apply that knowledge through leaving your comfort zone and taking a risk.

All 3 of these can play off of each other, but the key principle is: learn and take risks.

[–]theredslap 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not that bitter

whoa there chief...

for someone who's not bitter, he comes across as pretty damn bitter...

red pill was the cure to my jaded, frustrated, pathetic, most importantly incongruent views of how things are or should be.

redpill cures the bitter

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a red piller, i know the whole community and I never want to go down that route. I'm not that bitter. But at the same time What the hell man.

[–]cagethepepper 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He swallowed the pill, but it got stuck in his throat and then he coughed it out. Gosh folks, why are we so bitter? And what the hell man??

[–]frequentlywrong 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He didn't swallow shit. He saw it and got scared.

[–]Afroemo3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

even if he finds a chick he will get burned on the long run , the horse won't drink and you can't make it drink .

[–]trudatness 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This

[–]attaxx 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm tired of being this bitter, I'm bitter because I always get to do what I want the way I want it, I'm bitter because my girlfriend gives me a blowjob every morning, I'm bitter because I can have sex whenever I'm in the mood. I'm bitter because I'm so fucking happy right now, life is supposed to suck! I must be doing something wrong.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I got head from a girl twice last night who texted her orbiters a hi in between. I'm so bitter!

[–]widec 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Why does everyone automatically assume all Red Pillers are bitter? I'm sure I'm less bitter than the majority of people on this site, I just come here because I want to know the harsh truths. NARPALT - Not All Red Pillers Are Like That.

[–]cagethepepper 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I was bitter BEFORE TRP. I was frustrated that I had all these ideas of women and men and sex and had no way to communicate them. Now I'm laid back as fuck.

[–]widec 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, I'm just happy to have found a community open to some rational discussion. You couldn't get away with some of this stuff on other subreddits.

[–]cagethepepper 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Or even in real-life. Talking about this to my mom would be like walking on egg shells. My friends are either introvert nerds or try-hard brahs with no one in the middle ground to discuss this. And talking to girls...just leads to hamstering bullshit. Thank god for TRP.

[–]widec 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I find some friends can be more open to new ideas than others. Particularly the ones with relationship troubles asking for advice, they're often willing to take someone else's perspective.

[–]st4rcrafty 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know the ironic thing is, and i agree on the friends thing, most of them, with the exception of a few, are also nerds or just try hard dumb fucks. But, when i talk to women about TRP ideals (not calling it TRP obviously) I generally get more affirmations from them rather then denials.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why does everyone automatically assume all Red Pillers are bitter?

No idea, I've even had Reddittettes tell me: "I see you've posted to TRP, you must be bitter".

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"No idea, I've even had Reddittettes tell me: "I see you've posted to TRP, you must be bitter".

We are either bitter or there could be something to what we are saying... Since option B is scary, it must be option A.

[–]billnye_theRPguy 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The best part is the first few paragraphs are about how he lets everyone walk all over him, and then he says "I'm not a red piller". Well no shit.

He clearly has never been to TRP he's just saying it to gain approval from askmen.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The strongest fear imaginable is that of shame, that's why he doesn't want to associate himself with "neckbeard misogynists".

[–]chivalry_augustus8 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It mystifies me that people will SEE the truth, BELIEVE the truth, yet refuse to assimilate with the truth. I've said this once already, I was disgusted by this place when I first got here. I almost broke down and cried. I didn't cry for myself - I cried for all the cunts who had lied to me. I cried for the things I'd missed out on because my life paradigms were all wrong. These people don't want to go RP because they are their own victims. Try living red pill for a year and see where it takes you. If it doesn't work, you can always go back ...

[–]MSoftHarem 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"I'm not bitter" = "I don't have enough balls to anger the feminists of Reddit."

Regardless, it is progress. A year ago even this weak conversation would not have existed.

[–]Modredpillschool 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't even wear a fedora, and I sure as heck don't have a neckbeard. But what the hell guys, why don't women like me?

[–]shabadiddlle-oo7 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

He doesn't want to swallow the red pill for the same reason as a lot of guys: the truth is fucking depressing.

TRP philosophy works wonders for guys who are already outgoing and confident enough to apply it to their lives. When you're a seriously entrenched introvert like this guy, you see TRP truth all around you and there's nothing you can do to help yourself that doesn't involve years and years of work.

You're faced with two options: A- accept your grim reality and continue on, knowing that you need to completely overhaul your personality and get an entirely different group of friends before casual dating will even be an option, or B- block it all out, go back to your warm comfortable blue pill world, and tell yourself you'll meet someone some day.

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[–]mejor_o_nada 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He'll see this thread then ignore it, but if he doesn't:

Moving won't solve your problem, dude. Changing cities only to find out the women there won't date you either will be a pretty crappy slap in the face. Embrace your semi-successful lifestyle, find a worthwhile hobby, improve yourself, and put bitches to the side.

It's clear that this nice guy routine isn't working for you. The red pill may be "bitter" at first, but it won't take long to get used to it.

Once the initial film of anger/disappointment wears off, you'll notice that TRP doesn't renounce women. It just shows you what they actually want. Good luck.

[–]Fitch0y 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you'll notice that TRP doesn't renounce women.

You learn to accept them for who they are and not for whom you wish them to be.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect example of a guy who needs to figure out first how to be happy alone without depending on others. The fact that others are using and abusing him because he is lonely is a sign that he needs to stop compromising his dignity for companionship.

...not to make light of his terrible situation - he's definitely not in the ideal location for his interests and talents. However, I've been in a similar situation and I'd rather just chill by myself than hang with losers/users.

[–]mighty_mogomra 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in the same boat; field wise. I worked in IT as a pc tech. I'm also around the same age.

Here are my observations from the South since I'm from it:

Women where I live tend to go for the excrement of society. What I mean by this is that the men they ("women") choose to hook up with tend to be unemployed, have a rap sheet longer than my arm,are tatted up, dress like hip hop stars, are emotionally unstable, and usually do drugs with the smoking/drinking. These are not the leaders of society; these are people so dumb that they think using correct grammar and punctuation make you a "fag". I avoid interaction with these type of people as much as I can. Too bad they are the new "standard" for men where I live.

The "women" (I again use the term loosely.) tend to be tatted up, emotionally damaged (from getting pumped n dumped by alphas),have high partner counts, are overweight, are materialistic, are vapid, and are untrustworthy. Some of them even have short hair. Many of them are even single moms now. I avoid these women like the plague. Sadly, gone forever are the Southern Belles of society: The women of quality character, piety,modesty, and virginity. What exists in their place instead I wouldn't wipe my own ass on as toilet paper and I have very low standards for toilet paper.

Checking out (MGTOW) or Pump N Dump are your only options in today's society. I wouldn't even consider many of them for plates.Quality relationships,like the dodo bird, simply do not exist anymore.

[–]frequentlywrong 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He knows about TRP and refuses to take our lessons and believes some bullshit that we're bitter. I feel little sympathy for people too scared to help themselves. Only pity.

[–]trudatness 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not that bitter

LOL Yeah you are.

You start out bitter when you get here, but after you adopt the mindset and start seeing the benefit that bitterness fades out quick.

[–]ivesaidtoomuch 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason he rejects TRP is because there really are several members here who are obviously bitter recovering betas who sound way too angry in their posts. There's a lot of golden information here but sometimes it gets lots amongst the hordes of angry neckbeards lashing out at the women who've rejected them their entire lives.

The truth is only bitter when we impose our personal insecurities on it. Everyone would be better off if they were just a little more zen about things.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy said a girl he likes fucked his roommate and "rubbed it in". If this guy can even get hard any more I'd be surprised.

[–]pcadrian 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's gonna come back to us, especially after the responses he's getting.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those who deny reality are fucking idiots.

[–]alt30313 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't fit in with black people becuase i'm too white for them and I don't fit in with white people because I'm to black for alot of them

What the fuck is this guy talking about. Most successful/professional white people I know love black people that "act white." Educated people with class generally don't care about race. He's professional, articulate well rounded and fit. It's not the South. The problem is him. Why isn't he hanging out with guys he plays basketball with? Why isn't trying to hangout with the people he knows professionally? You cant wait for some one to invite you to the table. You either have to invite people to your party or invite yourself to theirs (you have to risk rejection).

TLDR: Race isn't the problem. He's the problem.

[–]TfahsNoriEht 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I once heard a parable from a man wiser than myself, and I think it applies here so I'll share with you all:

"Sucks to suck"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

stage 1?

[–]AlmostRP 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He needs NMMNG as a basic paradigm shift.

[–]alt30313 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

if i were just a recluse and didn't talk to anyone i would just chalk it up to e me being a hermit. But i keep putting myself out there and keep getting told i'm not interested or being told you aren't my type or being compared to the guy who is wearing an ankle monitor because he's still on probation

I don't want to go out on Saturday nights and party because I like to work on Sundays.

This guy does not know how to talk or interact with women.

I've been stood up, rejected, beat out by deadbeats.

He presents himself in a boring manner, he's serious, he's trying to do traditional dating.... This guy needs to be fun spontaneous and fuck the girls before he tries to lock them down. If he's fun, a good fuck and continues to be successful professionally I can guarantee women would be fighting over him for the opportunity to attempt to lock him down.

[–]CocaineOnThaSink 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I noticed this shit too, im from East New York, Brooklyn. Plain and straight, black bitchs want someone that act like a super star. The nerd is cool and all to be friends with, but I've never seen that nerd able to keep thots is ro. Again black bitchs, not the Janelle Monaes.

[–]jobs33ker 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this guy is a FUCKING loser.

Then to make it worse girls are always like just keep trying, keep looking you'll fine someone and then they go out with the same losers.

So not only does he suck at getting women (and sucks in generally socially) but the above quote would imply that he then goes off to women and whines about them not liking him, and his inability to have a successful relationship with women, thereby lowering his SMV waay more.

These losers can't dress. These losers aren't in shape. These losers aren't even good looking.

I can't tell you how many times fat, ugly, sloppy angry betas have shit talked ME, the way I DRESS, and call me UGLY, out of sheer jealousy because I went home with the bitch they had set their sights on. Mind you i dress way better, look way better, and am 100x as smooth as any of these guys (obviously, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the jealous shit talking). So im guessing this is the same principle at work with this bitter, jealous virgin.

I actually had to pay a girl to go out with me on my birthday last year because I did not want to be by myself.

Nothing even needs to be said about this...other than SMH.

I'm just a frustrated dude. I have no kids, I have no ex wives, I have no real baggage.

In other words, you're fucking boring. I'm not saying you have to ooze drama in order to be appealing to a chick, but you gotta have something going on. I can just picture this guy, boring as fuck, letting whatever poor sap of a girl he somehow cajoled into a date with him, (note: A date) make all the decisions about where they are going to go, and whay they're gonna do...with nothing at all interesting to say about himself or anything else, and then wondering why she never calls him.

Lesson is...being boring is the absolute worst. You can be almost anything but boring. It will make any girl dry up like the fuckin Gobe desert.

[–]mercuryg2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

poor guy

[–]Ididerus 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Off-topic, but why don't the thread buttons work on RedditLog?

[–]cray-cray-cray 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see how dudes hit 30 and start whoring. I am not saying that's what i want to do but i see why it's done

That's so delusional. He paid someone to go out with him on his birthday, and acts like fucking a lot of girls is an option he won't entertain.

[–]attaxx 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's past the point of even sex. I just want.. to go out to the movies not by myself every once in a while.

he's deluding himself... is always about sex.

[–]cagethepepper 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno man. I think it's more the feeling that "something is off". He's been lied to the whole time and he can feel it.

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[–]WeAreAllSheep 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This might be true for "ghetto brothas." However, all the educated black men I know that have good careers have to practically beat away all the white women swarming all over them. And yes these are attractive, educated white women.

I'd say asian males and black women are the bottom of the barrel in SMV.

[–]TheLawlessMan 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Pretending to be a white beta as a black guy isn't going to get him any points."
I don't think you ( or a lot of people....) understand. I doubt he is pretending to be anything. He was raised in a home with people that acted a certain way and he followed. Embracing the stereotype would be pretending. For me doing that would be agonizing and I have no idea what that has to do with the RP.

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[–]TheLawlessMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. I really don't see how doing that fits in with the RP mindset. Plenty of African American males that do not fit the stereotype (but at the same time are not a beta/wimp) are able to have a good sex life without pretending. "99% of black men are socially undesirable." Even though I don't think this is true I could see this meaning something if we were talking about marriage but not casual sex or short term relationships.

[–]heist_of_saint_graft 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He doesn't need to be a bad black guy. But he shouldn't act like a white beta either.

He has all the elements for what he needs: dude plays an instrument, can speak coherent English, works in a whitebread field like IT. He needs to look at guys like Jamie Foxx and Obama, see how they play to their white audiences and black audiences beautifully. White people want to see a black man who is intelligent, friendly, and yet still dominant (social confidence, humor, excellence at an artform).

Basically, a confident, articulate, charming black man would slay pussy in a place like New York City or any capital city in Western Europe.

Could easily pull down liberal girls who want to piss off their conservative parents and still get to say, "So what, Dad, he's smarter than you."

[–]vaker 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

all the girls will fuck and date black guys, but laugh at the idea of marrying one

So it's the best of both worlds?

[–]TheLawlessMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

"but laugh at the idea of marrying one"
I don't understand how that part is good or bad. Why does that last part matter? If he does not want her as an LTR he just chooses to not have her as such. Why does her opinion on the subject make it a good thing? It seems completely irrelevant in this case. How is it the best of both worlds when her opinion would never have come into it?

[–]vaker 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because females won't try to trap him with an 'accidental' pregnancy, sperm-jacking or similar BS.

[–]TheLawlessMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now that part does make sense to me. Thanks for going into more detail.

[–]st4rcrafty 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're damn right. Even this subreddit is too fucking PC to admit a truth as self evident as this. Nearly every chick ive dated, when the idea of hooking up with a black dude is mentioned, fucking cringes.

[–]alt30313 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In the real world no white girl would dream of marrying a black guy unless they're trash.

Black men don't have any social value.

There a handful of black guys that I went to school with that married white girls in the South. The girls they married are not trash. They are educated and professional. They are guys like OP in that they are fit, professional, articulate/educated, successful ect. They however know how to interact with people socially and women in general. They have huge social value because they are awesome individuals and because they're black. So I disagree with both statements to a degree.

If your black and want to marry out side your race you've got to be realistic (there are some people who won't marry you) and you have to be 10x more awesome than her other options.

The fact that OP doesn't code switch shouldn't keep him from finding a worthy mate. The OP in question is the 1% for his racial demographic in his area. OP needs to associate socially with high quality people. Being black and acting white are not the problem. They can be a handicap but they could also be an advantage if OP knew how to exploit it.

You are correct embracing his stereotypes could get him laid. I however do not believe he'd get more than casual sex or low quality women (not relationship material) with such tactics. In my opinion he'd be better off being more sexual, outgoing, dominant, and assertive. He should also seek out professional black women that don't wan't a dead beat.

[–]pony1108 -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men who are bitter are losers who failed at attracting good women. Just saying that "good women are unicorns/dodos" is being bitter. You just suck: either your personality sucks, your appearance sucks, your ability to spot a woman sucks, or your game sucks. The rid pill is not about being a bitter loser who sucks, it's about techniques of attracting/ keeping a woman. The guy in the article is obviously a sore failure and blames women for his inability to attract or keep one.

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