Hikikomori

dr_warlock · 2015-07-07T18:06:40+00:00

Men, for the most part, when not properly incentivized to create surplus, do only enough to sustain themselves.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-07-07T17:57:18+00:00

It's real simple. You've got a generation of men who were told that they'd need to spend their entire youth in school so they could get a good job so they could buy themselves love in the form of a wife. But now they've realized they've been sold a bill of goods, and that maybe the reward isn't even attainable under the best circumstances.

damn_mothernature · 2015-07-08T04:30:14+00:00

The root of the problem is the economy. Yea, the economy has always been shit for most of human history, but the difference today is, most of the people that would have died off is alive.

Let's be honest here, women coming into the workplace has been the worst thing that has happened to men.

Competition is ridiculous today for the average male. It's bad in the US, but it's a nightmare in Japan. To live life as a salaryman is almost worst than death, if you can even get hired, which many don't. They're going down the contract worker route just like here in the US.

To go to school for 12 years, study most hours of the day and another 4 years of college is not easy. Not everyone was made for this.

Know what is the #1 most abused drug in Japan? Meth. Some of them literally need it to get through study and work. Just like here in the US, half the college population is on Adderall. And it's not just college, a shit ton of medical residents, professors and lawyers need it to get through work. A lot of them are now turning to modafinil as well. You won't hear much about it because people don't like talking about their habits.

Modern life didn't get easier. Sure, we don't die as easily today. But I ask you, what is the point of life if we have to work 12-16 hours a day without any paid overtime? What is the point of life when your boss is calling you up while you're on vacation and when you need to be jacked up on some kind of stimulants to get through the day?

It's not getting that bad here in the US just yet, but just wait. Unpaid internship and contract work is common now. Fortunately, the US has a culture that is more accepting of misfits. Japan is not as forgiving. You can hardly find another job if you get fired or decide to quit because the company is working you to death. And they DO get worked to death. This is something a lot of people here on TRP do not understand. Some of the men don't get home from work until 2am and they wake up at 6am. They do this for months and years. Some quit, some commit suicide, some simply fall over and die while at their desk. If you ask any young men what they want in life, it's definitely not this. This has nothing to with being alpha or beta. It's the only option given to them by society. Some of them just drop out and work at convenient stores making next to nothing. Sure as hell is better than sleeping 3-4 hours a night for years, slaving away your life for a corporation.

Then they wonder why the suicide rate is so high. My advice to those on here, don't try to make every problem fit a certain narative. Some of these Japanese women get overworked, too. Some just want to find a sugar daddy husband but I know many others that would rather work to support the family as well.

You don't paint millions of people with one broad stroke and pat yourself on the back.

The fact is, competition is intense and it's killing these guys slowly. Not everyone will get to breed. Their society is different than ours and much less forgiving. You won't find baby mama living off welfare from 5-6 children born out of wedlock. In Japanese society, they would all starve. The mother would commit suicide and take the baby to death with her when she feels that there's no hope left.

Then you have crazy shit like a JAV star that estimated he has fucked over 20,000 women in his career. A rich guy who hired Thai women as surrogate mothers to produce over 30 children via in-vitro fertilization.

Some of the Japanese women are innocent virgins that tremble if you so much as flirt with them. Others can go head-to-head with the worst CC riders here in the US. The poison is spreading very fast. China and Vietnam are some of the last countries where you'll still see some semblance of traditional values.

And one of the poster above is right. Some of these men do go to other countries to poach women, mainly in Vietnam and the Philippines. I can tell you Vietnam in particular, there is a huge surge in violent crimes. In some areas in the North, there is 150 boys for every 100 girls. In other areas, it's 120 to 100. The Asians love having boys and they reap the consequence of their stupidity. Some strategy does not work for society when everyone is using it.

If they didn't have porn, prostitution and video games, some of these countries would have already implode.

We're always talking about the decline here on TRP. You're watching it happen right now. Having children out of wedlock and living off welfare is a perfectly valid strategy if you look at it objectively. The people who are marginally employed can barely afford to support their family and they're paying the most tax to support other people's kids.

Is this not a wonderful irony of life? In major cities in the US, not a week that goes by that you don't hear about some tax-paying citizen who are working hard to support their family getting robbed by some gangbanger. A few months back, an Asian woman was shot dead while carrying groceries back to her apartment. All over a purse. She left behind four children. This is your Great Society. Your tax dollar at work supporting murderers and future murderers.

MindTheFuture · 2015-07-07T18:56:35+00:00

Virtual communities, games and porn offering more pleasant, safer, less demanding and damaging options. Tempting to go for, when the alternative is to become money-slave in a traditionalist culture where the rewards for the prescribed filling the male-role aren't that great. They have the herbivore culture as well, as subcultures of rebellion against the corporate-drone culture - mainly from men, women still expect to get their rich providers.

If there are plenty of men opting out of the society, assuming the competition for good jobs is then easier, are the women choosing to go for the careers? And how is that working out?

prodigyx · 2015-07-07T18:44:40+00:00

Typical Japanese, 10 years ahead of the US.

czworooki · 2015-07-07T18:10:42+00:00

That`s what you get for slaving your whole life in school and job.

Baylien2 · 2015-07-07T19:20:56+00:00

"Take a look at the men today. It seems that most of them have a woman’s heart. There are very few true men anymore. It is easy for a strong warrior to gain the advantage these days because so few have any courage at all. This loss of the warrior spirit is easily shown by the fact that men today cannot even behead a convicted criminal with his hands tied behind his back"

-Yamamoto Tsunetomo

Predicted the fall of man centuries ago

sardinemanR · 2015-07-07T20:46:59+00:00

Hmm, I wonder what percentage of the male population of that age it is now. 5%? 10%? When does it become a crisis.

I'm sure there are many reasons for it, and I agree with others that state the US is heading down that route. I'm not sure I care though, I mean I'm not the one that makes the rules for society or anything, so why should I care?

I only care to look out for myself. I used to care about society and mention problems, but as a man I learned nobody cares and nobody values my opinion, so why bother. I suspect Japanese men, who have fairly high IQs, have figured that out too.

If anything, they need a Japanese translated TRP.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-07-07T18:09:36+00:00

Depopulation is happening all over the world starting with the highest IQ's and working downwards.

The lowest IQ cultures breed the fastest because they are in a sense "autistic" when it comes to the bigger picture.

Red Pill tries to convert higher IQ Beta Bucks types into more self aware animals.

When the overall culture teaches a negative fertility it is the animal mind that blissfully fucks and fights his way through life while completely ignoring the standards of the culture.

The beasts are doing better than the nuclear bomb makers.

(a complete reversal of fortune)

tracker2208 · 2015-07-07T18:57:42+00:00

Japan is a bit of a canary, but they have their own special problems. They don't want to open the floodgates of immigration, and old people in Japan just don't die. They are screwed.

It's really interesting to how gynocentrism affect two very different cultures in different ways, but the result is the same.

Myrpl · 2015-07-07T20:54:22+00:00

If you're into anime and you want to see a truly depressive show about a Hikikomori, watch "Welcome to NHK". It resembled at parts how my life was before I find and apply TRP. Most definitely not your generic anime bullshit with hot girls that betas can drool over their boobs because they're too disheartened to approach a woman irl. The guy who wrote the story was also a Hikikomori.

But if you're depressed, avoid it like your life depends on it. It's really heavy and tackles themes like suicide.

cariboo_j · 2015-07-07T19:22:20+00:00

For fuck's sake, MGTOW isn't locking yourself in your room and becoming a hermit. It's just no marriage, and even more indifference to women than TRP.

Pretty similar to TRP but lower priority on game and raising SMV. You can do that if you like, but MGTOW thinks doing anything for the specific purpose of getting laid is pandering to women. Better to pursue what interests you. And if girls like that, great. If not oh well.

Jewbano · 2015-07-07T20:10:47+00:00

If anyone is interested this video by an American living in Japan will explain it a bit more.

raob11 · 2015-07-07T18:52:18+00:00

I wonder how many American young men are effectively in the same position today? We call them neckbeards...

yoyoz69 · 2015-07-07T17:51:42+00:00

I wonder how many of these Japanese men would resurface if they didn't have instant, unlimited access to porn?

Jokoran · 2015-07-08T02:45:42+00:00

I don't think it's "female values," I think it's over-reliance on technology and increasing amounts of instant gratification. Japan is filled with replacements for everything, even love. In fact, Japan's new techno-love industry is basically killing their birthrate. Check this documentary out if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxK-6s48kxg

I_is_the_best · 2015-07-07T21:30:13+00:00

It's essentially MGTOW. They realize that the system is stacked against them and they give up.

blackhornatnight · 2015-07-07T21:20:19+00:00

To say that Japan has allowed female values to take over is laughable. Japan is very male-centered society, from politics to labor and everything in between.

averageredpill · 2015-07-07T21:36:27+00:00

This is the equivalent of the cat lady. For different reasons but still a social outcast. When you have a surplus of men, as much men as women, this happens.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-07-07T22:37:06+00:00

This has been going on for decades actually - started in 1989 or so when japan crashed, but reached its critical mass come mid to late 90's.

If you want to learn more about it, check out a great book called "shutting out the sun" - I think its on its 2nd or 3rd edition right now.

The main cause was a bad economy coupled with japans salary man culture, and hypergamy in japanese women = essentially a perfect storm which made it impossible to men to succeed.

To people sayng this isnt MGTOW - yes it is. Not all japanese mgtows lock themselves up in a room - some are called herbivores - they do everything that heteros do - just that they avoid women.

The_Ralph · 2015-07-08T01:01:23+00:00

Sounds close to the mouse experiment in the 1950s, which turned male mice into "the beautiful ones," perpetually, fastidiously, and psychotically self-grooming.

http://www.returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment

jimjackjoe · 2015-07-08T01:59:45+00:00

Hate to admit it, but all I could think when reading this article was, "man, can't believe nobody in Japan smokes." Taking a BR every 20 mins would be the perfect complement to a good ole two-year-long Hikikomori sesh.

MentORPHEUS · 2015-07-08T02:23:54+00:00

OP, time for what doctors and psychologists call "differential diagnosis."

What other aspects of Japanese culture (for instance, the concepts of honor and face) come to bear on this phenomenon?

Indeed, what do you know of Japanese culture, besides what's in this article?

Bottom line, I'm not convinced that this Japanese phenomenon is related or relevant to the problems of modern feminism in America and possibly Europe.

WhiteMarauder · 2015-07-08T04:13:36+00:00

There was an entire anime about this epidemic. I used to actually be a similar equivalent to this where I would only do my work and go home.

It's a pretty fucking pathetic. And it's a weird reflection on the direction society is taking us.

Basically in order to escape this life style you have to help yourself out of it. But these men, they've never been taught anything about what it is to live a life and be a man. Women get taught what this means through regular doses of media, men don't get taught it anymore.

Pathfinder24 · 2015-07-08T04:17:58+00:00

I feel like Japan has a disproportionately large amount of beta males.

RPJapan · 2015-07-08T04:38:27+00:00

More of them means more single girls in Japan for the taking. BRB, enjoying the decline.

alreadyredschool · 2015-07-08T10:49:55+00:00

Relevant gwern: http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society

Zeparic · 2015-07-08T15:11:20+00:00

Someone should make a Japanese Red Pill. They're people who seem to take things to extremes. I wonder what they would do if given our knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this existed over there.

sexypriest · 2015-07-07T22:46:12+00:00

Amphibian reaction to toxins doesn't have a lot to do with skin breathing. Even humans breath through skin (lung skin), but we aren't affected as much because of stronger metabolism.

Title	Hikikomori
Author	TVTestPattern
Upvotes	124
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Date	July 7, 2015 5:31 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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