The vast majority of your problems stem from thinking about your feelings.

Vox-Triarii · 2018-06-06T19:46:38+00:00

My father always told me that an ounce of discipline is worth a pound of motivation and a kilo of inspiration. I've found this to be true throughout my life. When we think about things, even just talk about things instead of actually doing them it's harmful. By focusing too much on loftier goals, you're just using up energy that you actually need to make it a reality.

When we talk too much about an action before we have launched into it, we're letting all the good air out. We lose explosive force, like a motor with a crack in the cylinder, there is no compression because we have let it out too early. Knowing when to keep things to yourself to generate more force and fire, and when to crack it open and unleash it is key to getting things done, having tangible results in our grasp.

GodOfDinosaurs · 2018-06-06T18:40:45+00:00

Moderating your emotions is one thing; outright trying to shut them down is a bit foolish. There's more to life than being a productive robot on autopilot. Don't lose what makes life worth living in your quest for self-improvement.

Kurush559 · 2018-06-06T20:45:16+00:00

I'm going to present a slightly different interpretation of what you're saying (which I agree with).

The problem isn't men thinking about their feelings. It's that they DON'T think about their feelings.

Billy beta gets shit tested by Stacy. He suddenly feels offended, hurt, and disrespected. So he reacts in a sad voice, telling her how she's wrong and he feels hurt. He didn't actually think about his feelings though, did he? He reacted without any thought at all.

Chad gets shit tested by Stacy. He suddenly feels offended, hurt, and disrespected. So he reacts in an angry voice, telling her to never talk to him like that again, or he walks. He didn't listen to his feelings either.

I get home, change into my gym clothes, then see the ice cream in my fridge, and fantasise about how much nicer it would be to lie in bed, watch a film and eat the ice cream. So I hop into bed, and 5 hours later here I am typing a response. I didn't think about my feelings, I just reacted.

If Billy Beta had thought, he would've ignored the comment. If Chad had thought, he would've agreed and amplified. If I had thought, I would have realised that my emotions weren't REAL and I would've been productive in the gym.

The problem isn't thinking about feelings, it's following them without any thought. By analysing our feelings and deliberating between beneficial and harmful action, we succeed.

JerryLawlerPigFace · 2018-06-06T20:59:54+00:00

Meditation has shown me a lot of different things but relevant to this post, it’s shown me that the search for happiness is a paradox of sorts:

We search for happiness by trying to think our way out of our problems. We think, think, and think some more, seeking the right combination of thoughts to liberate us from our problems. Compulsive thinking then becomes habitual over time.

Sure enough, no amount of compulsive thinking can produce the right combination of thoughts to produce sustained joy & fulfillment, the reason being is that it is the compulsive thinking itself is what is causing our “problems”.

All emotion is caused by thought. Cessation of thinking may very well show you that what you thought of as problems are merely transitory mental states.

melungeonmuscle · 2018-06-07T00:02:09+00:00

You sound like a young kid who hasn't been through very much in life. Feelings or instincts can be a barometer to how things are moving in your life. Ignoring them is retarded and acting like you're too tough for them makes it sound like you don't know the true weight the world can place on you. Why do you think almost 80% of suicides are fucking men? Because we don't talk to each other anymore because we're all too fucking busy posting on reddit about how we should ignore our feelings and just execute. Life is not that simple.

Imadeathtrap · 2018-06-07T04:57:43+00:00

The key to being happy and self aware simultaneuosly is simple:

It is by asking self-directed questions using "what" instead of "why".

The human subconcious is almost never understood by our concious state.

There are many studies showing we get it wrong all the time when we try to guess at our deeper motivations. Even worse we think we are right when we try

E.g: after two hours thinking about why you just got angry at your lady for something stupid "...oh so i hate women due to my obvious oedipus complex"

This constant "why, why, why" is great for science or business but not our brains as it just invents its own reasons. Give it a try;

"Why dont i approach women more?" - because i am afraid of rejection

"Why do i dislike rejection?" - it makes me feel devalued

"Why dont i like being devalued?" - it makes me feel unworthy

"Why is feeling unworthy bad" - it makes me get rejected

And then it just loops known as feedback loop from hell you get upset with being upset, angry about being sad. This is where self awareness takes a shit in your brain and slowly smears the walls.

from there...

Asking "what" breaks this loop and is shown to be the quality of those that actually have self awareness.

Example:

"If i dont like rejection, what can i do about it?"

"What made me get rejected?"

"What emotion did i feel?"

The idea isnt to stop being self aware, it's to stop digging until your nails bleed. To stop using your bucket on the infinite minecraft pool that is your emotions and spilling that shit everywhere.

References:

There is a ted talk on this about self awareness for your reference and mark manson also calls this "turtles all the way down". There are also scientific studies linking self monitoring to depression if done incorrectly.

7a7p · 2018-06-07T03:32:42+00:00

I fucking needed this today. Thank you.

feoen · 2018-06-07T16:17:15+00:00

I'm a psychotherapist IRL. I see what you are going for, but the science of behavior change does not match what you are saying.

Rollo's blog constantly says that getting men to talk about feelings is part of the feminine imperative and that this behavior needs to be shut down.

This is true to an extent. Society is conditioning men to "feel for feeling's sake". It is teaching men to ignore critical analysis of their feelings.

The result is "feminized" men who bitch and moan about how they feel and do nothing about it.

Men need to feel, and they need to talk about what they are doing with their feelings.

Feelings are a signal. We are hungry when we need food. We are anxious when our ego is threatened. We are fearful when we are in danger.

Every feeling has a logical correlation with a behavior. If we do not listen to feelings, then our behavior goes to shit. Men MUST listen to their feelings.

What isn't helping men is whining about their feelings. "I'm so depressed today my girlfriend left me I'll never find another one like her!!" the oneitis stricken man says.

Of course losing a girl hurts. That is natural. Men are biologically programmed to protect and stay loyal, and failure to do this hurts immensely. But dwelling on that feeling is what gets men in trouble.

A man's mental health will improve if they recognize the feeling as a signal, and then analyze what went wrong and what they need to change to bring their system back into balance.

My guess is that this is what Rollo complains about when he shits on "purple pilled life coaches". My understanding is that he really believes men are supposed to be completely logical creatures and this push towards emotion in men is part of the feminine imperative. That logic is faulty.

Emotions are survival signals. Men must feel them, and men must act.

tom-n-texas · 2018-06-06T21:48:16+00:00

That’s actually quite profound.

amedeo_modigliani · 2018-06-06T21:21:13+00:00

No feelings = no problems. That's why books of Seneca became my bibles.

TheEnglishman28 · 2018-06-06T21:09:17+00:00

Every journey begins with the first step.

U-94 · 2018-06-06T22:49:06+00:00

Never lose your cool. You will never get it back.

OfficerWade · 2018-06-07T02:32:07+00:00

Well, it’s one thing to ignore your feelings. You don’t wanna throw them in the trunk but you don’t wanna let them drive the bus either.

Krelious · 2018-06-07T03:45:01+00:00

I think you're wrong because essentially you're saying live life by your impulses and dont give a fuck. It also asks your self to be extremely selfish and inconsiderate. You're essentially saying act like a psychopath. See how far in life you get like that. I see your point but there are limitations to that method. Life is about finding balance not going balls deep into one idealogy or one thing otherwise you will find yourself in situations where your methods and skills are woefully unprepared to deal with the scenarios you face and then you will be sorry.

_NeiLtheReaLDeaL_ · 2018-06-07T03:47:47+00:00

I heard that you only become unsatisfied when you begin examine your own satisfaction

NormalAndy · 2018-06-07T04:37:59+00:00

Success is 1% inspiration & 99% perspiration.

Can confirm not yabbering on about feelings has improved life no end. In fact, learning to keep your mouth shut is an underrated skill.

mmerijn · 2018-06-07T05:02:38+00:00

It is not wrong to think about your emotions, it is wrong to accept your emotions as true. The problem with the sentence "how can I find the motivation to X" is that he accepts that he does not have motivation to do X; when you accept such a statement as true then you need to find an external way to "fix" that when a better solution is to say "Well, ok, I noticed that I have a hard time getting up." and then take small steps towards X in a pace that feels acceptable eg. running: You stop slouching and sit up straight, then you set both your feet on the ground, lift yourself up however slowly you want, walk towards your running shoes at whatever pace you want, put them on, and start running.
I get that here we say "Just go out and do it", but if you can't even manage to get yourself up you won't be able to build the discipline TO get up every day. So, you first need to break everything down into small steps and train that "discipline" or "motivation" (both really stem from the same feeling). Just like with every exercise you don't start by running 40 kilometers with a 20 kilograms backpack on but by taking a step by step approach.

DayGameChirality · 2018-06-06T23:34:02+00:00

Blah blah blah, I dislike this type of black and white thinking. You guys on TRP believe that men are much more rational that women.

Imagine a graph, where Y is number of people, X is rationality to irrationality and there are two bell curves, one representing men and another representing women.

There are two options: 1. Men really, on average, are much more rational than women and I'm just far on the side of the bell curve, overlapping with a woman that's just a little more rational than an average one. 2. The bell curves for men and women overlap way more than you guys believe, which is what I think.

I'll tell you what. Poker's boring. Tea parties are interesting. Talking about your feelings rocks, because you get to know yourself and take another's perspective on yourself. Talking about bussiness all the time is boring as well. I'd rather talk about music and your last funny experience. This kind of black and white thinking of how "men are different, we watch sports and like military" is just fucking silly.

I am biased because most of my male friends are music diggers or other artsy guys. They're at least somewhat emotional, some more, some less. But nowhere near the degree of rationality you people love to describe here as some kind of ideal one should strive for.

Parara_papapapaVeis · 2018-06-07T02:32:41+00:00

The entrepreneurs subreddit is always about methods to motivate yourself. You know these guys aren't making as much money as the autist who only thinks about his business. For him motivation doesn't exist. It's just business business business.

My theory is that, if they liked what they do, they wouldn't need motivations methods to do it.

sh0t · 2018-06-08T00:46:29+00:00

Most of your problems stem from not being good-looking enough

dulkemaru51 · 2018-06-08T10:29:40+00:00

I don't know about thinking about your feelings about taking on a specific task but, I personally, take action far more effectively if I understand the nuts and bolts of the system I'm operating in/with. Understanding first principles allows for creativity much faster than learning as you go.

Apart from that, understanding something is, to me, fun as hell.

Title	The vast majority of your problems stem from thinking about your feelings.
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