Bootcamp advice

vladiVP · 2024-09-06T13:25:59+00:00

Bro...

Captain_w00t · 2024-09-06T13:27:57+00:00

I’d honestly say to invest those 1500€ into some books, a new wardrobe, hairstyle and then go for solo a trip somewhere for 3-7 days.

Being alone in another city will force your social muscles to move forward. You’ll have a lot of casual interactions to practice.

Those bootcamps are close to scam, you’re paying all that money to get some dude teaching you the absolute basics that you can learn with some books/videos and practice in real life.

It’s not like a driving or musical instrument school, at the end of which you’re supposed to learn repeatable skills, plus they don’t promise to teach you in a weekend.

There are better ways to invest those 1500€ in terms of self improvement.

Western-Month-3877 · 2024-09-06T15:05:04+00:00

If you’ve had girlfriends/sex in the past, bootcamps or workshops like this are not actually for you. They are designed for the target audience who are so desperate and wanted help urgently. Like 30-50 year old virgins. My principle is: water is free you basically can get it anywhere, but for some people who got lost in Sahara for years, they are willing to pay for anything even if it’s just a sip. There are real coaches like in the movie “Hitch” where it’s one on one, private, and much more expensive than just 1500€. But of course they don’t promote it en masse.

Having said that, IMO most workshops these days are subpar. Idk if this one stands out, to be fair. But people who still teach today are the ones like 4-5 generations down from the OG’s like Mystery or Neil from back from 2010’s. It’s now becoming the “fast food” version of PUA’s. Quality is down, size getting smaller and price is up. They tell you everything you already knew or read, and when you got into approaching practice (assuming this is local workshop done live, not online), they can’t solely focus on you because there’s multiple participants. Speaking of participants, their courses also being taught assuming their members are on the same level of social skills, which is not helping if they try to help all of them given limited amount of time.

I’ve known guys who are so smooth in seducing women just because they surprisingly had improv class or personal development courses. Even makeover and bodybuilding classes. You’d be surprised how guys’ confidence significantly improved when they have more muscles, lose weight, or have much better wardrobe.

All the approaching practice will come with trial and error, with or without having a coach. This is why I think if it’s just for “consultation”, this is actually a niche market. You could charge guys maybe like $50-100 an hour or per online session while doing it one on one. That’s probably better for people who already have some foundation and experience but hit the wall or have a relationship problem. Or you could always submit your questions in this sub for free there are obviously some vets here.

Fantastic-Life-2024 · 2024-09-06T14:03:50+00:00

Hell no. ..... You'll be great for that weekend full of enthusiasm then go home and you're back to square one.

Make incremental change day by day. Be more social.

MouseAware809 · 2024-09-06T14:07:00+00:00

What is it your actually looking for in a boot camp?

Are you completely clueless and books/videos cannot give you a foundation? I would argue if its just something like that, its probably cheaper to buy some sort of "video course" off one of the sites such as https://eshoptrip.se/ which sell all sorts of courses for like $10 - $30 each (ie RSD Blueprint is $10). I can personally swear this site is not a scam either. I bought a load of courses but have only watched two (1 inner game, 1 outer game) so far as still practicing this stuff and do not feel ready for more "knowledge". (Not sure if I should be posting this, apologies mod if this is against rules).

Or do you need someone to throw you into approaches due to AA? If so do you have any friends that can help?

No matter what you do on a bootcamp, once its over, your back to just being you. No validation or pumping up from "Coaches".

Also given the price, I am imagining this is not an immersion or mastery course, so will you actually get a dedicated "coach" critiquing your "game" and giving you personal feedback?

MrAnonPoster · 2024-09-06T17:03:57+00:00

I lol'ed.

Spend that money on a gym membership and good food. No matter how little it would improve your life it will be a massively better investment than paying for a bootcamp

Ok-Entertainer-1401 · 2024-09-06T18:08:47+00:00

Don't do it.

MrBizzniss · 2024-09-07T00:48:11+00:00

Don’t.

epimpstyle · 2024-09-06T17:00:13+00:00

Bootcamps are tricky because in a bootcamp there are 10-15 guys all with the same purpose and in this case the energy is high, the vibe is perfect. Now is easier to approach a girl following some simple advice given by "the expert", you feel safe and strong because there is the "teacher" and if something goes wrong you have someone to talk to and he will listen and give you advice.

Once the bootcamp is over and you are alone again, well.... you can't repeat what you did, you won't feel as strong and secure as you did before, because there is no one to help you recover from a "rejection" or give you the courage to approach.

If you have a friend to go out with, you don't need such a bootcamp.

jaybee_the_Kumo · 2024-09-06T16:32:19+00:00

You getting relationship advice from 30-40 year old dudes who can't hold a relationship to save their lives. It may sound good and logical but it isn't how things work

Worthlesspersonnshs · 2024-09-06T15:08:38+00:00

Hahahahahahaha

Affectionate-Ant4888 · 2024-09-07T09:34:04+00:00

download books and seminars and learn that shit for a full month then go out and practice,

theasianplayboy · 2024-09-08T20:01:26+00:00

We’ll be teaching in Europe in October while on our EuroTour program which is inner game focused, but we could also coach you on approaching.

We’ve been coaching for over 20 years and taught at Harvard and Yale and been on the media like BBC and Al Jazeera.

Here’s a video review of clients from last years EuroTour: https://youtu.be/1e4PdE3Ysas

Wing_Inevitable · 2024-09-06T14:31:34+00:00

Bootcamp advice

was wondering if any of you have experience following a bootcamp for seduction/pickup?

I have been doing bootcamps the whole summer with the idea of having recommendations when someone asks.

I have one left in November. I will be giving an overview of all of them. And the one that was most eye opening was the one I led.

I will give you the notes without naming anyone cuz I’m nice like that (this are from the top companies BTW )

I barely saw anyone improve.

-The couches are supper bad at this. Like supper bad. (5 of them couldn’t pinpoint the problem)

The company that has the best marketing - over focused on one student - so someone would get laid. (He didn’t BTW)
non of the couches gave or did any homework.
one had 0 nightgame (cuz the couch didn’t get it) we did street game.
One of the couches - didn’t get what I was doing when I insulted a girl.
One of the couches interrupted sexual tension to try and out vibe me.
One thought I had no game which I pulled 2/4 times we were out cuz he didn’t get my game style.

Honestly it can’t be worth it. The chance You will find someone that is worth it is near 0. I will add a caveat to this I have 1 left so (though I don’t have much hope) there might be a good one.

1500eu for a weekend (day and nightgame),

First : 1500 + a hotel near the event + travel fees + anything that you spend there. Don’t get confused it will be at least 2500€ or more depending on what dicks they are

Here I will spend your money better :

Buy Game solved - free of some sites. (Read from volume 2 :”boot sequence section + find anything you don’t get “ and “Interactional Tension” and “one game pre stage theory” + from volume one “Sexual tension” )
Go to a nightclub - approach any girl you find attractive - 20 € max - for entrance + 10€ for drinks.

Write notes on how your sets went. - if you can’t figure out what you did wrong - write a field report.

The next day go to a daygame crowded street - 30€ for drinks + 30€ for food.

Approach any girl you find attractive

Write notes on how your sets went. - if you can’t figure out what you did wrong - write a field report.

Night time - Approach any girl you find hot. Again 30€ for the whole night

Write notes on how your sets went. - if you can’t figure out what you did wrong - write a field report.

next day go to daygame spot - approach any girl you find attractive . Again 60€ for the whole day.

Write notes on how your sets went. - if you can’t figure out what you did wrong - write a field report.

The total price is 180€.

Do this another 2 weekends after you get the fixes or improvements from the field reports.

Overall price 540€. You have another 1000€ to buy a new wardrobe , go on dates, buy that puzzle you have always wanted , whatever.

The best part is it will improve you more this way. And you had a bootcamp at home 3 times. Enjoy.

Reasons for me to consider it are to get a boost back into the game and to freshen up my skills and break through barriers that I notice have formed over the last years, get back into dating more and expand my pool.

Yes read the thing above this section. It applies here too.

Training_Ad3600 · 2024-09-06T17:38:50+00:00

Go read books & watch videos. You’re gunna pay all the money and probably still have zero success and probably won’t retain any info, that is if they’re even giving out good information.

bruno-vr · 2024-09-06T14:27:42+00:00

I’ve never done and would never do / would’ve never done one of these. They are typically expensive and I’d rather figure shit out on my own and challenge myself. (I’m at the point of my life where I don’t need this shit either lol, my game is decent now)

However, when traveling I met one guy that fits all the conditions of being a “pick up artist” (ha). We became friends before I knew he did this as a side hustle and we went out a few times. His game was incredibly sharp and the way he explained shit was very good. He would approach a ton of girls and show how simple it can be to get girls to join you on a night out in the street. I don’t know if he’s coaching still, but if you’d like me to introduce you to him shoot me a PM.

But again, I would recommend not paying for these, it kinda takes out the fun from it. But if you’ve got the money and see the value, go ahead. Enjoy game, it’s fun.

Title	Bootcamp advice
Author	Jokerr_MD
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Date	September 6, 2024 1:03 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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