Game > Looksmaxxing?

TeachMePersuasion · 2026-06-21T18:44:31+00:00

My mentor had a really good analogy for this.

Charisma is the table. Aesthetics is the tablecloth.

Aesthetics will draw them in, but it won't keep them.

TarJen96 · 2026-06-21T18:53:30+00:00

If you're mildly attractive, game can make a huge difference.

If you're unattractive (and broke) then game won't make a difference.

Ok_You_7247 · 2026-06-21T18:56:44+00:00

I think people fail to realize that he is slightly Autistic in general. If you are slightly Autistic, you will have a but unusual charisma and game.

I am being honest, Paris is one of the worst cities for Cold Approach compared to America. I Find Cold approach easy in America, woman here are open to conversations, while in European Countries, they are most closed off to talk with random stranger. No matter how charismatic you it will not work. Here mostly woman meet through social circles and often there isn't open culture of strangers interacting with one another. Also the Camera is main factor, they don't like being filmed there.

Cold Approach is very hard in Major European Cities and Tourist Spots while better in Smaller Cities. Even if you have Charisma, you gonna end up looking like Scammers selling bracelets outside Eifel tower.

Specific_Delay_460 · 2026-06-21T18:49:51+00:00

Clav has always been open about being an awkward autist who got into “looksmaxxing” in order to overcome his other deficiencies. He can be off-putting in person although sometimes girls dig the weird shit if you’re hot enough.

norwegiandoggo · 2026-06-21T18:43:44+00:00

I don't think game always beats looksmaxxing. It's like two sides of the coin. You need both to some extent.

Well... lookmaxxing is probably not the term I'm looking for, but caring about your appearance and putting some effort into it. Like a normal socially adjusted human being - is almost a non-negotiable.

In a study on dealbreakers, women rated looking "unkept" as their biggest dealbreaker. Over all others (personality stuff included). It's very hard to hit on appealing women if their first impression is that you're living on the streets.

Away_End_4408 · 2026-06-21T19:52:45+00:00

Looks without some sort of game will get you no lays. Game without looks will get you somewhere.

Game is the method, looks is the canvas. They're not the same.

jackthehat6 · 2026-06-21T20:45:15+00:00

the issue is that you tend to need 'game' to bang teh gilrs who think you are hot

But 'game' won't help if you are not her type. You can 'pushpull' and hold frame all night

And so from that perspective, looks are still way way more important than game.

As they say, your looks get you the audtion. That's when game comes in. But without an audition, you ain't getting the gig lol

Economy_Parsnip650 · 2026-06-21T18:57:32+00:00

It depends where you are coming from, when you get into game.

I was able to get dates, they would just go nowhere, or I would be told I was a nice guy, or lets just be friends. Name your cliche I heard it.

For me at least, looksmaxxing would not of changed anything.

Excellent-Archer-238 · 2026-06-21T19:23:36+00:00

He has many disadvantages in Paris. First of all, Parisiens are assholes. Second, he is American and they don't like them very much. People in Europe don't like being filmed (except Czechstreets women). He has no status because he is a random, no one knows him like they do in Miami. Also, he is nothing special because European men are very handsome, especially the mediterranean ones. All the looksmaxxing in the world that Clav can do will never beat a random waiter or police officer from Madrid or Florence.

On the other hand, if Clav went to Mexico or Colombia he would look as if he was the God of Seduction, even if he was deaf and blind.

MacFatty · 2026-06-21T18:38:51+00:00

News flash. Charisma is more important than aesthetics.

Imaginary_Cow9217 · 2026-06-21T18:41:36+00:00

Women don't value aesthetics as much as the other way around

Women value confidence a ton more

water_reducer · 2026-06-22T02:28:28+00:00

lol that is brutal. ive seen the blackpillers in this sub going on about how if clav went up against some pua in a head to head competition it would be a bloodbath, I think this was mentioned back when John Anthony challenged him to a pickup competition.

The reality is both your favorite looksmaxxer and your favorite pua absolutely suck with women. guys like owen cook and clav get glazed so hard it's unreal but both looks maxing and pua are massively overrated tactics.

BumblebeeHuman5699 · 2026-06-21T18:42:56+00:00

Why not both

CheesyWalnut · 2026-06-21T19:03:30+00:00

Acrobatic-Show3732 · 2026-06-21T20:32:08+00:00

IS It better to know how to shoot and pass the ball, or to have an amazing cardio?

SithLordJediMaster · 2026-06-22T02:25:10+00:00

Both

ExaminationNo4391 · 2026-06-22T22:00:55+00:00

Game is a skill. Looksmaxxing is a natural way of life, why would someone need to ask if they should be working out, eating well, washing up properly, dressing well, being groomed, caring for their skin. Don’t be confused by Clav injecting himself. Self improvement is looksmaxxing and it’s been around for ages. Game can always get you by but it gets easier when women think you’re handsome, have a good body, smell good. So are we just spamming game and not trying to look our best selves alongside it?

Prudent_Impact7692 · 2026-07-15T21:53:22+00:00

Looks is yur game

aboysmokingintherain · 2026-06-21T18:53:56+00:00

Game will get you anywhere. As someone who has no game, I don't get any. By all accounts, I am not a bad looking guy and check off mmost boxes, but I don;t really get women

Cavsfan724 · 2026-06-21T19:09:24+00:00

I still think for us guys game is more important thank looks maxxing.

Title	Game > Looksmaxxing?
Author	Back2theCouture
Upvotes	19
Comments	67
Date	June 21, 2026 6:33 PM UTC (1 month ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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