In a split second, clothes makes a person more competent in the eyes of others, suggests new study. Faces were judged as significantly more competent when the clothing was perceived as “richer.” This judgment was made almost instantaneously. When explicitly asked to ignore, the bias still remained.
In Down and Out in Paris and London George Orwell talks about how powerful clothes are. He said in the entire time that he was homeless no woman ever looked him in the eye due to his shabby clothes. Clothes are very powerful.
There was a study also done wherein women are shown pictures of men in varying outfits and asked to rate their attraction to them, pretty much always the guy in a suit and tie with shoulders back standing up straight with good posture wins, whilst the slouching, baggy uniformed guy loses.
Or it could have to do with the fact that, uh, idk, Orwell was homeless? Think if you put a homeless guy in a suit he’s going to be an instant chick magnet?
Ahhh come on, uniforms and sweatpants can be hot in their own way. It's just that on first appearance, a woman doesn't want to feel like the guy is an unemployed bum who will try to suck her financial teat because it's a common problem for women in relationships, despite the world screaming that women are gold diggers and women get free rides and women get everything in divorce.. its like sooo common for men to sponge financially off women, so if they see a pic in a good suit, they probably assume he can likely support himself
Theres a pretty strong stereotype with men as well... you know, the bum/musician/starving artist types, or guys generally expecting their SO to be their next mother.
I don’t think they need to be “richer,” but rather “neater.” The problem isn’t the price of your clothes but the condition. The statement is never “I spent a lot of money on these clothes,” but rather “I take pride in my appearance and I take care of my things (including these clothes).” That’s what matters!
You can be poor and still take care of your stuff. A person with a bad attitude will say “oh my stuff is cheap and I’m poor so who cares if I take care of it” and that is a defeatist attitude.
You have to be able to take care of your stuff, and yourself, if you ever want to be able to handle more than that.
Literally you are paid not just on skill, but on how much responsibility you have. If you don’t answer the phone and don’t show up on time, guess what? You’re going to the bottom of the totem pole. This is why you often hear, “first make your bed.”
So try not to wear clothes that are dirty or wrinkled. Comb your hair. A little goes a long way!
I don't fully agree, because wealth is often a result of success. So if you have expensive clothes, car, whatever, that indirectly means that you had success doing what you do, so you are competent or even the best at it. Usually what brings you money is your job, so if you have expensive clothes you'll appear more competent than a guy looking good with normal clothes. I think
Edit: my point is specific about the study, and the first impression of someone, I'm not saying you need expensive clothes to be good at game.
The study is talking about the first one second impression someone has of another human.
$70 shirt, $200 sports jacket, $139 shoes
Thats all relatively cheap for designer clothing. However I will concede, I have a $500 belt, $500 wallet, $1000 shoes and my $100 peacoat from express gets the most compliments.
Exactly, so my point being its very easy to get a good first impression for cheap and by the judge of this article very lucrative to do so if your career involves attaining trust as quickly as possible.
A lot of guys don't understand fit. Their shirts look decently pricy, but if it doesn't fit you well (shoulder seam on shoulder) it's gonna look worse than a k-mart shirt (all of my clothes). Don't go for the "premade" real pricy outfits from retailers either, if you're a normal guy you can wear fairly generic stuff and look above average if you've got a decent fit. Fit is a lot easier to do if you're a bit more muscular tho.
Also basic layering and contrast takes like 5 minutes to figure out and makes you look way better without looking like you're trying too hard in winter.
Yes they do. I struck up a conversation with a young good looking gal a few weeks ago and talked for about 15 minutes before we went our separate ways because she commented on my shoes.
She disclosed that she had a boyfriend as we were on the topic of buying vs. renting. I took my foot off the gas and just kept the conversation going at that point.
No OOF needed. I was donating plasma at the time. Half of their job is to be friendly and make sure the donors are somewhat comfortable.
Also it’s not the best place to pick up numbers. What cute 18-28 year old college student/grad wants to grab drinks with a dude who donates his plasma for $$?
I do take advantage and use this as a reason to talk to the employees when ever possible.
Oh you kinda left out the important detail that it was a medical professional lol. I thought this was a random street encounter. That changes everything.
no one (guys included) has yet to say a single word about my Amber Harness IRs and it's annoying because i think they look incredible and it's the most I've ever spent on a pair of shoes.
Take those bad boys to the cabin and get yourself a mountain gal. I guess it depends on what goes with your personality. I'm very rough from a personality perspective, so I try to make my outward appearance as inviting as possible so as to create a contrast. Nothing like a pair of louis vuitton mocassins to start a conversation.
I also heard a rumour that they're attracted to men who exercise and stay fit, who are positive, non combative, and willing to listen to male fitness models who actually want the best for them.
Just find clothes that you feel comfortable with but try different styles, risk yourself and you will notice in any public space if women look at you. Crazy stupid love tackles this subject way better, also Ryan Gosling and Steve Carrell are great in it.
If you wear a good fitting black tee shirt and good fitting jeans with some converse, you're doing fine. I've had women say I dress well and all I'm wearing are sneakers, a tee shirt and shorts. But the key is they all fit well so it shows off the physique.
My question was more about what is "casual" if designer hoodies and expensive sneakers are "dressy." I guess casual is just less expensive shoes and hoodie in your area.
If you want a different view of "dressy" check out AAAC and StyleForum.
Yea, if you're in an old tshirt and sweatpants, it's going to be tough to be taken seriously. It's not that hard to throw on a button-down, pants that fit, and a stylish pair of shoes. It's really not that more expensive to dress well as to dress badly. Ugly clothes cost the same as stylish ones. Same with shoes, those weird grey new balances everybody wears cost the same as a pair of shoes that aren't fucking sneakers.
Properly fitted clothes, you could have an expensive suit on but if it's not tailored to fit you it will look untidy. If you're on a budget, instead of purchasing an expensive suit, purchase a cheaper one, get it tailored for relatively cheap and voila.
While all this is true, I learn not to do this in Silicon Valley. Some guy in jeans and hoodie could be worth more than my graduating class. His hoodie may look "normal" but cost 2 grands.
[–]xstrand 41 points42 points43 points (5 children) | Copy Link
He would have a much better chance in a suit and tie than in 3 hoodies and a beanie.
[–]handsmahoney 18 points19 points20 points (0 children) | Copy Link
how else do you show people your hoodie collection
[–]ivy176 5 points6 points7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Is he naked on bottom?
[–]nobody7x7 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Why do you think he needs 3 hoodies
[–]ivy176 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Alaska?
[–]Dtyrrell88 75 points76 points77 points (13 children) | Copy Link
In Down and Out in Paris and London George Orwell talks about how powerful clothes are. He said in the entire time that he was homeless no woman ever looked him in the eye due to his shabby clothes. Clothes are very powerful.
There was a study also done wherein women are shown pictures of men in varying outfits and asked to rate their attraction to them, pretty much always the guy in a suit and tie with shoulders back standing up straight with good posture wins, whilst the slouching, baggy uniformed guy loses.
[–]cppnewb [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Or it could have to do with the fact that, uh, idk, Orwell was homeless? Think if you put a homeless guy in a suit he’s going to be an instant chick magnet?
[–]regulatorDonCarl 21 points22 points23 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes
[–]galicula 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
First impression: not homeless in a suit and tie
[–]ProfessorNiceBoy 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I’d hit it.
[–]NookSwzy 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Give him a shave and and a haircut and he'll instantly get more attractive
[–]MOIST_MAN 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I wonder what the result would be in doctors scrubs vs a suit and tie
[+]ivy176 -7 points-6 points-5 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Ahhh come on, uniforms and sweatpants can be hot in their own way. It's just that on first appearance, a woman doesn't want to feel like the guy is an unemployed bum who will try to suck her financial teat because it's a common problem for women in relationships, despite the world screaming that women are gold diggers and women get free rides and women get everything in divorce.. its like sooo common for men to sponge financially off women, so if they see a pic in a good suit, they probably assume he can likely support himself
[–]wiking85 18 points19 points20 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Not compared to the inverse...
[–]ellaenchanted961 point [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes, in comparison.
[–]NookSwzy 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Not nearly as common as it is for women to sponge financially off of men, let's be real.
[–]ivy176 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Theres a pretty strong stereotype with men as well... you know, the bum/musician/starving artist types, or guys generally expecting their SO to be their next mother.
[–]Vigil_the_Shaper 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Laughs in traditional gender roles
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I don’t think they need to be “richer,” but rather “neater.” The problem isn’t the price of your clothes but the condition. The statement is never “I spent a lot of money on these clothes,” but rather “I take pride in my appearance and I take care of my things (including these clothes).” That’s what matters!
You can be poor and still take care of your stuff. A person with a bad attitude will say “oh my stuff is cheap and I’m poor so who cares if I take care of it” and that is a defeatist attitude.
You have to be able to take care of your stuff, and yourself, if you ever want to be able to handle more than that.
Literally you are paid not just on skill, but on how much responsibility you have. If you don’t answer the phone and don’t show up on time, guess what? You’re going to the bottom of the totem pole. This is why you often hear, “first make your bed.”
So try not to wear clothes that are dirty or wrinkled. Comb your hair. A little goes a long way!
[–]TheOtherAshaller [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
I don't fully agree, because wealth is often a result of success. So if you have expensive clothes, car, whatever, that indirectly means that you had success doing what you do, so you are competent or even the best at it. Usually what brings you money is your job, so if you have expensive clothes you'll appear more competent than a guy looking good with normal clothes. I think
Edit: my point is specific about the study, and the first impression of someone, I'm not saying you need expensive clothes to be good at game.
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[–]Ridicatlthrowaway 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The study is talking about the first one second impression someone has of another human.
Thats all relatively cheap for designer clothing. However I will concede, I have a $500 belt, $500 wallet, $1000 shoes and my $100 peacoat from express gets the most compliments.
[–]TheOtherAshaller [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
As Ridica said, I'm talking about the study and the first impression. I'm not saying you're supposed to have expensive clothes to be good at game.
I agree, looks(or any material things) cannot compensate for a shitty person
[–]Ridicatlthrowaway 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Its also worth noting thanks to the internet its very easy to get $500 or $1000 clothing for a tenth of the price.
[–]TheOtherAshaller [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
In the context of the first impression, fake or not, you will put the guy in the expensive box, and give him credit..
[–]Ridicatlthrowaway 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, so my point being its very easy to get a good first impression for cheap and by the judge of this article very lucrative to do so if your career involves attaining trust as quickly as possible.
[–]Levitz 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Not really, you could show up looking like BA Barrackus and I doubt that would be captivating.
[–]TheOtherAshaller 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Not sure about that, needs to be field tested ! ;)
[–]eht_amgine_enihcam6 points [recovered] | Copy Link
A lot of guys don't understand fit. Their shirts look decently pricy, but if it doesn't fit you well (shoulder seam on shoulder) it's gonna look worse than a k-mart shirt (all of my clothes). Don't go for the "premade" real pricy outfits from retailers either, if you're a normal guy you can wear fairly generic stuff and look above average if you've got a decent fit. Fit is a lot easier to do if you're a bit more muscular tho.
Also basic layering and contrast takes like 5 minutes to figure out and makes you look way better without looking like you're trying too hard in winter.
[–]SithLordJediMaster 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"No Shit!"-Tom Cruise in MI: Ghost Protocol
[–]Good4Chun 16 points17 points18 points (13 children) | Copy Link
Shoes. Women notice shoes.
[–]bringit2012 [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Yes they do. I struck up a conversation with a young good looking gal a few weeks ago and talked for about 15 minutes before we went our separate ways because she commented on my shoes.
[–]jamez470 2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Did you ask for her number?
[–]bringit2012 [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
She disclosed that she had a boyfriend as we were on the topic of buying vs. renting. I took my foot off the gas and just kept the conversation going at that point.
TLDR: No I didn’t ask for her number.
[–]jamez470 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Oof I feel that
[–]bringit2012 [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
No OOF needed. I was donating plasma at the time. Half of their job is to be friendly and make sure the donors are somewhat comfortable.
Also it’s not the best place to pick up numbers. What cute 18-28 year old college student/grad wants to grab drinks with a dude who donates his plasma for $$?
I do take advantage and use this as a reason to talk to the employees when ever possible.
[–]jamez470 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh you kinda left out the important detail that it was a medical professional lol. I thought this was a random street encounter. That changes everything.
[–]ivy176 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont notice shoes unless they were super unusual like very bright or gigantic or really pointy or something.. in a negative way I guess.
[–]connectiongold 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
no one (guys included) has yet to say a single word about my Amber Harness IRs and it's annoying because i think they look incredible and it's the most I've ever spent on a pair of shoes.
[–]Good4Chun [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Take those bad boys to the cabin and get yourself a mountain gal. I guess it depends on what goes with your personality. I'm very rough from a personality perspective, so I try to make my outward appearance as inviting as possible so as to create a contrast. Nothing like a pair of louis vuitton mocassins to start a conversation.
[–]Railionn 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Personal taste but those look horrible.
[–]Good4Chun1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
It doesn't fit my every day role, but it fits my character when I'm hunting. It's like bait.
[–]eht_amgine_enihcam 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh they look nice tho.
[–]WalkingManniquin 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep especially if they're ugly shoes haha
[–]SpanishIntuition 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I also heard a rumour that they're attracted to men who exercise and stay fit, who are positive, non combative, and willing to listen to male fitness models who actually want the best for them.
[–]Goldenpanda18 13 points14 points15 points (12 children) | Copy Link
You don't need to dress up with gucci, just something nice and maybe casual like a nice bomber jacket with a designer hoodie
Where I live and my age group that's regarded as dressy
[–]HanEyeAm 10 points11 points12 points (11 children) | Copy Link
Okay, then what is dressing down casual? I mean, is there something between wife beater with dirty sweatpants and bomber jacket with hoodie?
[–]-rotciv 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Just find clothes that you feel comfortable with but try different styles, risk yourself and you will notice in any public space if women look at you. Crazy stupid love tackles this subject way better, also Ryan Gosling and Steve Carrell are great in it.
[–]NookSwzy 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If you wear a good fitting black tee shirt and good fitting jeans with some converse, you're doing fine. I've had women say I dress well and all I'm wearing are sneakers, a tee shirt and shorts. But the key is they all fit well so it shows off the physique.
[–]Goldenpanda18 7 points8 points9 points (8 children) | Copy Link
No no
Learn how the average person dresses at a bar or club, where I live most guys wear jeans, expensive sneakers, designer hoodies or sweaters.
If the average person where you live dresses well then you should too
[–]ivy176 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That sounds umm like really young urban. A lot of dating scene is 30s 40s etc
[–]HanEyeAm 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
WWCD
(Clooney)
[–]connectiongold 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
which designers are you talking?
[–]Goldenpanda18 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Any
[–]connectiongold 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
really helpful, thanks
[–]Goldenpanda18 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Thought you being sarcastic It varies from retro brands like champion, fila
And too modern brands like Tommy Hilfiger and loads more
[–]connectiongold 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I was in my second comment. Ahh, thanks for letting me know. Not really what I would call designer, but each to his own.
[–]HanEyeAm 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My question was more about what is "casual" if designer hoodies and expensive sneakers are "dressy." I guess casual is just less expensive shoes and hoodie in your area.
If you want a different view of "dressy" check out AAAC and StyleForum.
Whatever works for you.
[–]yrogerg123 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea, if you're in an old tshirt and sweatpants, it's going to be tough to be taken seriously. It's not that hard to throw on a button-down, pants that fit, and a stylish pair of shoes. It's really not that more expensive to dress well as to dress badly. Ugly clothes cost the same as stylish ones. Same with shoes, those weird grey new balances everybody wears cost the same as a pair of shoes that aren't fucking sneakers.
[–]WalkingManniquin 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Properly fitted clothes, you could have an expensive suit on but if it's not tailored to fit you it will look untidy. If you're on a budget, instead of purchasing an expensive suit, purchase a cheaper one, get it tailored for relatively cheap and voila.
[–]Celestial_Europe 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Can confirm.
[–]H-DaneelOlivaw 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
While all this is true, I learn not to do this in Silicon Valley. Some guy in jeans and hoodie could be worth more than my graduating class. His hoodie may look "normal" but cost 2 grands.
[–]SpaceTaha 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
aka don’t look messy
[–]Wazzzock 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Vestis virum reddit