This is a problem I see with life advice in general, but I think it's especially noticeable on this sub.
Over and over again, people come here asking for help finding success with women, they're given all the obvious (and willpower-intensive) advice that would work if you would actually do it, then they inevitably don't do it, because it takes a lot of effort to really get meaningful results, and so they end up with no meaningful results. The advice presupposes motivation that people just don't have in practice, and the advice people generally give for how to get motivation ("just suck it up and do it!" "just talk to a dozen girls first, and then you'll desensitize yourself"--only you need to be desensitized in the first place to talk to the first dozen), once again, doesn't work in practice.
And people confuse advice sounding good or encouraging with it actually being effective, empirically. The advice-giver never actually asks themselves "after I give this advice, what are the actual chances this person is going to apply it, and get the desired outcome?" In practice, it's basically never.
Yeah, it's true that if you hit on 100-500 women, you'll land an awesome date with an awesome girl as a statistical inevitability, that's just the law of large numbers. Given enough dice rolls, even an unlikely event will happen eventually. Yeah, it's true if you would just practice approaching 100-500+ times, you would get way better social skills, and it would be life changing for you. But if we're being honest, if you're 98% of people, you're not going to do that. I'm really, really happy for you if you're the exception to that rule, and you're super, super motivated to put in the reps and do the things that actually work--but look: that's just not most of us.
It's not helping us to brag about your success and tell us what to do. We know what to do, already. The problem isn't knowledge. The problem is acting on the knowledge we all already have for the most part. We've all heard the cliche "just put yourself out there" and "it's just a numbers game" and "max out your attractiveness/money/status/etc. to put your best foot forward"--but all of that is easier said than done. Most people here are just using this as passive consumption / infotainment to avoid the anxiety of actually embracing the suck and doing what it takes to be successful with women.
It reminds me of how research shows most diets (as in literally 98% of them) fail within 2 years, and people just regain all the weight they lost, and then end up even fatter than they were when they started. Why does this happen? Because for the most part, getting results in most areas of life, including with women, requires sustained, effortful exertion over a long period of time, and only like 2% of people actually have the level of drive necessary to keep that up.
But here's the thing: it might not be this bleak. Because there might be advice that actually works. What I mean is advice that bypasses willpower, that doesn't require motivation to actually act on. We found that with weight loss: now there's drugs like Ozempic, Retatrutide, etc. that can literally work miracles for people, make them lose weight, by just taking the urge to overeat away permanently. And sure, do they have side effects? Yeah. But so does being fat. And so does being romantically unfulfilled. It's worth it for most fat people, becasue the studies tell us 98% of fat people will never fix their problem by just following behavioral advice. Because most fat people are too lazy and unagentic to ever have lasting, true victory over their obesity.
So my thinking is: we need an "Ozempic" analogue for "doing the things that actually work with women." Here is where I leave it to you: I want us to brainstorm about what that might actually be. Here are a few ideas:
- Confidence Drugs: Rejection sucks, so to be blunt, the answer may literally be to just anesthetize yourself pharmaceutically and endow yourself with the superhuman social boldness necessary to talk to five hundred girls. If I had zero fear of rejection or social anxiety, I'd easily talk to the 1,000 women I need to, I just haven't found that drug yet. Maybe there are medications we could be taking that lower our inhibitions and make it easier to talk to girls (I'm worried they might all be super addictive though--I've heard Z drugs are very dangerous, so I'd appreciate other suggestions). I know to some extent alcohol can do this for people, but it has a lot of downsides. Ideally we'd find something better than that. I've heard of people taking pregabolin and betablockers. I'm curious to hear about your experiences there, or if you've found something even better.
- Willpower drugs: Maybe stimulant medications like ADHD meds could help people? One problem though is that I feel like these mess up my social skills and turn me into a socially awkward robot. But I do think they probably give me more motivation than I otherwise would to put the reps in and talk to girls, so there's some value there.
- Venue Selection: Maybe there are certain environments where it just takes way less effort to get with girls than others. I mean, I think we all know at this point this is true when it comes to dating in SEA as an American, but that's not a real solution because for most of us we can't get a good paying, stable remote job/income source. But I'm curious whether there are smaller examples of that within the US.
In general it seems like a good idea to pursue things that have as many women as possible relative to men, and environments where women are more receptive to approaches than normal. The problem here is it can't really be given as advice, because once people find out about it, everyone will do it. I can think of things like "join a yoga class," but I feel like there's too much social anxiety attached to that for that to be a real suggestion, I would be too self conscious about appearing to be the weird guy at a yoga club hunting for pussy. But maybe I'll suck it up with enough pregabolin to pull it off--will report back later on if that works lol.
Sorry for being cynical, but on a cynical note: I think on advice forums there's a problem of "fake revelations" where you tell someone to do something, not because it will actually help, but because you're either 1) hallucinating and don't actually know the true reasons why you're successful with women (you're charming in a way you can't actually teach, or you're better looking than you realize, or you just got lucky in ways you don't appreciate), or 2) you aren't actually successful and are just projecting a fake image of success on the internet because it feels good, 3) you're just wrong, don't know it, or you already know that but you don't care, because it feels good to speak from status and authority in telling someone to do things, because giving advice gives you the opportunity to brag about your success or feel like a good person or whatever, etc.
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