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Which matters more?

-snickerss-

September 25, 2023
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Title Which matters more?
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-snickerss-

Upvotes 10
Comments 50
Date September 25, 2023 3:22 PM UTC
(2 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/AllPillDebate
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/16rv1f5/which_matters_more/
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Comments

[–]fakachaka47 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Imma end this debate its like this

Theres some level of total SMV threshold you need to pass to be genuinely attractive to women, some equation of face(40%)+ height(40%)+ status(10%)+ whatever minor factors(10%). Obviously the higher your total is the more genuinely attractive you are.

Now let's apply this equation to this debate

If you are 5'9 with a model face, your good.

If you are 6'4 with a slightly above average face, you are good.

If you are 5'6 with an average face, its over.

If you are 4'6 with a model face, its over

If you are 6'2 with an ugly face, you will struggle

5'11 with an average face, you struggle

This is why theres so much disagreement about this because everyone has a different experience because of their total equation. The 5'9 model doesn't really think height matters because it never affected him, the 6'2 uggo thinks face is everything.

[–]LostOnLostIsland"I'll shank my knees, then walk the plank and freeze" 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Can confirm. 6'3 virgin. Have been called ugly either indirectly or directly before. Height seems to do fuck all for me. So because of that for me its ( face + hair ) > height.

[–]FunEducation1434six3manlet 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m with you bro, face+hair over height master race

[–]EnlightenedAlbino 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, this is the correct answer.

[–]Groundbreaking-Gap20 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

If you are 6'2 with an ugly face, you will struggle

That's me, and I can confirm that this is accurate. I know if it weren't for my height of 6'2", I would have been completely doomed. I've had a couple of long term girlfriends and a few one-night stands, but I still generally struggle. My height has defiantely saved me to some degree.

[–]fakachaka47 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea bro im 6'0(like barefoot fr not a 5'8 coper) and average to below average face + definetely on the spectrum lmao. I struggle but i can get hookups. If either of my attributes was a little less i would prob be betabux or incel/virgin.

[–]Groundbreaking-Gap20 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank goodness for our height, right?
Interestingly, both of my brothers have attractive faces, but for some reason, things didn't quite align for me in that department. It's as if I inherited the less favorable aspects of our parents' genetics, while my brothers got the better ones
Shit just ain't fair! lol

[–]fakachaka47 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah bruh fuck life lmao

[–]EugeneCezanne -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is more or less correct.

Many men don't get this, though. I can only speculate that on some level, they don't want to get it. For example, maybe a man is short and ugly, but finds it easier to admit to himself that they're short than that he is ugly; so he clings to the belief that only height matters.

Of course, if we start thinking along those lines, we can consider whether other qualities than height or face may play a larger role than previously suspected. After all, men would be cognitively biased against ascribing importance to anything they don't want to admit is lacking in themselves.

[–]SilentFroggy -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’d like to add that being ugly and tall can still get you more respect which can help you achieve status. But you’re only attracting women who chased status.

[–]fakachaka47 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As opposed to ones that only chased bone structure

[–]SilentFroggy 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The bone structure will get women to actually find you attractive instead of using your height to show off to others.

[–]candikanez 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Theres some level of total SMV threshold you need to pass to be genuinely attractive to women

Why did you write this specifically about men and not include women? The same exact dynamic exists for women-- in fact, it's face, height, and "status" for women, PLUS other physical features like chest and butt, AND "body count". We're all judged physically. Men don't have it any harder than women do when it comes to being judged and given "value" based on physical traits and "what can they do for me" mentality. To pretend and claim otherwise is a fucking joke.

[–]fakachaka47 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just wrote it from a male perspective but yea i agree w u

[–]Petrosmine 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

a pretty boy at my school is like 5"8 and noone ever mention that despite getting heightmogged by girls, meanwhile me at 6 foot rotting

[–]-snickerss-Dark Red Pill[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

5'8" and heightmogged by girls? You live in Netherlands or something?

[–]Petrosmine 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

somehow its common to see guys with equal height or less of a girl's height here, in my country there is a 5"10 music artist with a 6 foot wife

[–]Copepill 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most guys inflate height by 2 inches.

[–]uselessloner123 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bunch of tallcels on this thread.

Height>>>>>Face

Height is one of the key attributes of masculinity. If your short, you’ll always be seen as a child unless you have super masculine looks

[–]-snickerss-Dark Red Pill[S] 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Here is my take on this:

Below 5'8" your height starts working against you.

Between 5'8" and 6' it is neutral.

Above 6ft it starts working for you.

For men in the 1st category, height matters more than face. Face matters more for men who are in the neutral and 6ft+ zone.

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[–]-snickerss-Dark Red Pill[S] 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. That's just cope.

[–]ItoshiSae10 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You will

[–]SilentFroggy 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Face matters more after a certain height. Women are more likely to have a crush on a 5’8 prettyboy than a ugly guy who is 6’2

[–]pop442 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, if you're an ugly guy who's tall and a minority, it can really work against you because you'll put fear in a lot of people unless you play up being a "gentle giant."

[–]A1_wA1shPurplePill 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that’s me lol. i’m 5’8 but i get appreciative looks from women (and guys) in public and people seem to like me

[–]Sure-Vermicelli4369 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hair

[–]Professional_Bad_282 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You need that edgy factor either way.

https://reddit.com/r/hingeapp/s/KittWfTTD0

Height cannot save this dude.

[–]BigBadStalinist1709Future Chad-Trying To Ascend 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm 6'3 (or something like that) at age 14. And I've been getting no major choosing signals, apart from two girls i don't like. My face is HTN and I'm trynna ascend. Both (face and height) are equally important.

[–]-snickerss-Dark Red Pill[S] 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

At least you've got some girls interested in you. Most of us can't even manage that.

[–]BigBadStalinist1709Future Chad-Trying To Ascend -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Keep grinding. You'll get there. 💪💪💪💪

[–]allnamesweretaken5 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, for some of us it's genuinely over

[–]fakachaka47 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but dont kys or anything because society needs to keep running

[–]fakachaka47 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You def should keep trying as hard as u can if ur 14. I would only give up if you were like 25 and had tried everything and still had no success

[–]EnlightenedAlbino 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would lean towards face but at either extreme it can carry you. A 6'10 guy who is a 3/10 will probably still be fairly popular in clubs and real life. A 10/10 guy who is 5'2 is going to be hot enough that there will be some girls interested.

If you had to choose between being a 6/10 in one vs a 4/10 in the other though I'd say a 6/10 face would be the way to go.

[–]allnamesweretaken5 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No amount of pretty face or well built physique will ever make up for being 5'2

[–]EnlightenedAlbino -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are correct about physique in that it can't make up for height at all but when you are the top .002% of looks there will be someone interested even at that height.

[–]EugeneCezanne -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. For one thing, height has diminishing, and even negative, returns as one gets too tall. At 6'10" many women stop being impressed and start being repelled. Add a very unattractive face on that and you've created a pretty girl-scaring dude.

[–]vengeful_alliyou 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive asked 3 women I know: short handsome vs tall ugly, 2 picked the tall ugly. Ill share more once I get more female friends

[–]LeastAverageMonkeNeutralPill 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Face! Your height doesn't matter when you're on the bed

[–]EverVigilant1 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. People think face matters more.

I'm seeing that height really seems to be an absolute dealbreaker for a lot of women. Women really want men who are taller than they are. INteresting that facial aesthetics are more important for a lot of people.

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[–]ImOverIt06 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Tbf mother fucker was hitting all the checkmarks of mythological Spartan Warrior fighting against overhelming odds. Also thin and wirey strong which pretty indicative of actual strength and athletics so yeah it almost doesn't matter if his face is busted one would expect it in the construction of the romance lolol.

He's probably a less inspiring figure at Arbies in a fry cook uniform making min wage. He has hero status here too mofo is hacking primal neural pathways.

[–]luroot 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Question is how the comments would be affected if he ever did a face reveal?

[–]Leaving-trunk 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely top two factors. I think height is number one but buy a little bit. But both are very important.

[–]Weekly_Signal6481 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

depends

[–]ReyLo99reborn 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This can be a little tricky in some scenarios because there can 6ft guys with a sub 5 face and 5'4" guys with a handsome face. I do think face>height if I had to choose unless it's the extremes and what not. For instance, if a guy is 5ft tall with a 8/10 face, or a guy is 6'8" with a 3/10 face.

[–]Mental-Discipline376 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they both matter but you can appreciate both in different ways

imo

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(the comma was a typo my bad)

[–]Mr_Chad_ThunderpenisZherkapilled aka RP Rage and Cocaine 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Face matters more as long as you're the same height or more when the woman is wearing heels. If not, then height matters more.

[–]pegthepatriarchy_ 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Face is more important to me but both matter

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