Objectification versus sexual attraction desire and arousal

springtulip475 · 2021-06-18T15:14:04+00:00

thank you for the distinction. i constantly see men complaining about sexual objectification under posts of women praising a certain man’s physique and i could never figure out a good argument against their nonsense. but yes, there is a difference between being sexually attracted to a person and seeing that person as an object to fulfill your sexual desires.

ButterfliesHurricane · 2021-06-18T16:58:09+00:00

Great post! It also comes down to LVMs not liking when we have preferences. They don’t like high standards, preferences, think it makes us shallow and that we should give everyone a chance. I will defend my right to have preferences and to choose whoever I find sexually or otherwise attractive until my last breath.

We have almost been put in a position to deny we find anyone attractive for fear of being called shallow or objectifying men. Well sod that 😁! If they try to project their insecurities on me, it’s their issue not mine.

BBQCoolRanchQueen · 2021-06-18T17:38:36+00:00

Unlike scrotes, we don't mentally chop people into pieces like porn categories. It's the overall package women are attracted to in general. We were raised to be empathetic and see others as complete, complex human beings with their own aspirations, likes and dislikes, goals, emotions, needs, rights, and autonomy. Someone could be conventionally attractive, but as soon as something misogynistic, racist, or bigoted flies out of their mouth, instant Sahara desert down there.

modernmedusaa · 2021-06-18T18:43:26+00:00

Agree. Just because I like a celebrity with amazing abs does not mean I’m dehumanising and degrading them. It’s like it’s illegal to have any standards now.

This is such a liberal feminist over stretched woke concept in my opinion & it really keeps the bar low for men. The idea that it’s shallow to not
find someone attractive. Or the idea that it’s shallow to desire a healthy looking person when you’re healthy yourself.

Even before the media- sexual attraction was always an intrinsic part of nature. In fact it’s far more cut throat in the wild- humans are far more lenient.

It’s so tone deaf to how disingenuous unattractive men use attractive women to pump their esteem. Just cos you take pity on them doesn’t mean they will value it. Many overweight men refuse to date overweight women and think they’re above them. In fact I’ve heard countless obese men make tone deaf comments about obese women. Why should slim women take sympathy on their entitled asses?

The most basic men are allowed to have extremely delusional high standards for women but I’m a shallow bitch because I expect men to work out? That is the bare minimum.

Women should stop being bullied into voluntary rape with partners they aren’t attracted to or satisfied with. All it leads to is dead bedroom & resentment.

_electrafire · 2021-06-18T17:02:33+00:00

Exactly! This is also why men are able to sexually objectify women they aren’t even attracted to! They’re NOT the same thing

W3remaid · 2021-06-18T21:23:05+00:00

Thank you so much for saying this. There’s nothing wrong with being attracted to attractive men. Physical attraction is just as important as mental attraction. Just because a woman likes men with dark curly hair or washboard abs doesn’t mean she’s shallow or objectifying.

People act like this is somehow hypocritical? I’m perfectly fine with men finding me attractive (is that controversial somehow?) I’m also fine with men having sexual preferences. We should be picky when it comes to the person you’re going to share your life with. It’s not FDS to aim for second best, or good enough. A guy that prefers different boobs or face or skin than mine etc.? I hope he leaves me alone fr, because I don’t want to be anyone else’s second best either.

pickmieshaexorcist · 2021-06-18T15:14:59+00:00

And on the flip side, if you’re talking to a man about the concept of objectification and he gets hostile like “I guess we men can’t even appreciate women sexually! You feminists demonize normal male sexuality!” Beware! He is telling on himself.

Sexual attraction/appreciation and objectification are NOT the same thing and the men who believe they are the same are dangerous. You shouldn’t be tricked into feeling ashamed of feeling angry when you’re objectified, or chided for being unashamed of being attracted to men. Despite what rape apologists try to make you believe, these are not mutually exclusive feelings!

Persnickety_Manatee · 2021-06-18T21:03:07+00:00

This hits the nail on the head. Women don't go out of their way to harass sexually attractive men. Out in public we politely appreciate their beauty and move on. Women also don't think attractive men owe them a "chance". Respecting a person's agency is the most humanizing thing you can do and there should be no shame in thinking, "wow he's gorgeous".

Objectification and personification is what you do, how you treat people. Sexual attraction is what you like.

souredskittles · 2021-06-18T23:26:56+00:00

I’m glad you wrote this. Thinking a man is sexy is fine, we aren’t stating how we’d like to put things in his ass or torture him during sex. That is the difference.

feelgoodlost_ · 2021-06-18T21:11:18+00:00

We are seen as objects and they feel entitled to decide and control how we view ourselves. What’s shocking to me is when they’re so delusional and are surprised that an attractive woman does not find an unattractive man attractive. (When you are basing it on physical appearance.) An ugly man can just say “You aren’t that hot, or enough of this or that”, when he does not even have any other redeeming quality to make up for his physical appearance. That’s what they focus on. They think your worth and self image only comes from them, and if you have the same view of yourself as they do, then you’re the picky and shallow one. So the uglier he is, the more justified in his eyes he is to say his looks don’t matter, but your level of attractiveness is based on a scale he can judge that is where he will keep you.

Date an ugly man and he will think he’s better than he is, he will think of you as beneath him, even if you’re someone more attractive that has many redeeming qualities such as intelligence, empathy, and so on that it’s meaningless. They claim biology this and that, but most of these men have no business even reproducing and creating families. Nor would they even survive in the wild. Men are attracted to anything, and they think this is the Olympics where they can judge you and disqualify you. A man could be obese, bald, have nothing to show for, have a video game addiction, but because he’s a man, he is entitled to his pick.

How many of us have given these scrotes a chance only to be repaid with abuse and wasted time? Lmao. It’s pointless, they choose to do this because they’re entitled. They thinking that humbling or negging their out of their league partner somehow makes them more attractive or masculine. It doesn’t. The woman eventually recovers and does better, is happy alone until she meets someone worthy of her. Meanwhile, the life that was sucked out from her and all the stolen qualities can only sustain scrote energy for so long. 🤮

HollyAndIV · 2021-06-18T17:08:37+00:00

It seems like women's attraction is more influenced by personality and emotional intimacy than men's attraction. While both genders have the initial visual attraction, women are more likely to get the ick and lose attraction if a man behaves poorly, more likely to lose attraction if a man isn't attracted to or responsive to her, and more likely to gain attraction when he meets her needs.

There's the saying "don't put your dick in crazy" (which itself is problematic, but I'm using it as an example of something else here). Even if a man has a poor view of a woman (she's "crazy"), he's still sexually attracted to her. He has to "logic" his way out of it. His brain still sees her as "something I could have sex with" and not as a real person.

Women don't have that issue in the same way. If a man is "crazy", we tend to lose attraction. Our brain recognise that and attraction falls since that person isn't someone we want to be intimate with.

BasieSkanks · 2021-06-19T07:57:02+00:00

Men also don't seem to understand that it is possible to find someone physically attractive without wanting to fuck them.

Title	Objectification versus sexual attraction desire and arousal
Author	Phoenix__Rising2018
Upvotes	158
Comments	31
Date	June 18, 2021 3:03 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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