I saw the whole Jubilee video.

https://youtu.be/bVH_c-s9Oho?si=KB7evZ0tlbeD8LKH

The one video where Jubilee put a plant or fed on the Men's Rights Activities side, they did the opposite by putting an openly Incel on the same side years ago. In that video there is also a conservative guy that is wearing an men's lives matter troll shirt. I would like to focus on these two people specially in the video, because they are good examples of two sides of the same coin. I don't know a lot about the other guy with brown hair, (but he had decent points though). And I'm going to pretend like Pearl doesn't exist here (WTF Jubilee).

But both Men's Libs and Men Right Activities miss the point hard when talking about issues. A lot of Men Rights Activates are bad actors anyways when it comes to men issues, because of the amount of Red Pillers and Conservatives who just want to force rigid gender roles on men. And think traditional masculinity is the solution to men's issues. I mean Men Libs are no different with their traditional masculinity pretending to be "positive/progressive masculinity" and good for men lol. Since a lot of Men Libs are usually just reformed dudebros who "escaped their patriarchy programming".

What makes both groups slightly different is. That Conservatives will just blame women for men issues. I know this is ironic since Feminists usually accused us of blaming men's issues on women. When in reality we are just criticizing some Feminists for playing a role in men issues (I.E. being openly against shelters for homeless men or male victims of DV, opposing gender neutral laws about rape, and flat saying men don't have issues or need a rights movement). Conservatives blame men's issues on women in a way that is more about female gender roles. Conservatives think men are struggling today because women aren't traditional or feminine anymore.

While on the other hand male feminists do the opposite. And blame men for their issues. Saying that men are having issues, because of toxic masculinity and men were the ones that created the patriarchy in the first place. And also ignoring how some women and feminists play a role in the patriarchy. Because we all know women can do no wrong because of the "women are wonderful" effect". So in order for a man to be a male feminist, he needs to be some level of benevolent sexist. I'm sorry that's the only way it works. That's what happens when male gender roles like male chivalry, male disposability, and male self sacrifice are viewed as "positive masculinity", "healthy masculinity", or "progressive masculinity" in society.

And let's talk about the elephant in the room here. Most people aren't pro gender abolishment. For f*ck sakes even the most progressive women view bisexual men as "less masculine" and think it's a major turn off if a man wanted a woman to propose to him. Conservatives definitely aren't gender Nihilist (no shit). And sure Feminists may want to abolish female gender roles. But if you follow my posts, we all know some feminists (not all) want male gender roles to stay intact in society lol. This is why both sides are terrible when finding solutions for men's issues. Since both sides think male gender roles are the solutions to men's issues. It's just that both sides say this differently though. Again two sides of the same coin. Both sides think chivalry, self-sacrifice, and disposability are all great things men should adhere to. Since masculinity is about being brave, and protecting women.

Even in the dating scene. Both sides usually give the same advice. Both sides are telling men how they should present themselves to women. Telling men how they should be confident, ambitious, and have goals. Because women love those things in men. Notice how both sides are making certain traits like confidence exclusive to gender hmmm (🤔). That's because both sides will never suggest the possibility of a woman approaching a man first. Both sides would expect men to do the approaching instead. When I'm listening to dating advice from both a male feminist and a conservative. I swear to God you can put me in a room, cover my eyes, and put dating advice videos from both male feminists and conservatives on. And it will be impossible for me to tell the difference between both sides. Both sides are usually complaining about how it's a bad thing that men are single, and how men should go out and start more relationships with women.

I honestly believe this shitty dichotomy between male feminists and conservatives leads to more red-pill thinking among men or young boys. I know even conservatives don't like red-pillers. But you gotta admit the red-pillers are just an extremely mutated version of conservatism though. Where Feminists can actually get ammo or "valid" examples of toxic masculinity from. That's because both sides do a shitty job at giving young boys advice. One side is promoting outdated standards of female gender roles to young boys, in a society where a lot of women don't care about being traditional. And you would think the other side would teach these young boys better alternatives. But no the other side goes in the opposite direction, and just promotes male gender roles under the disguise of "progressive masculinity" to young boys instead. It's this vague messaging that is confusing young boys, and causing more young boys to gravitate to red-pill spaces.

I think this sub is a great middle ground between both. I honestly wish this sub had a bigger influence on the culture, similar to the rise in red-pill influence, but better and not destructive at all. Even though both sides won't accept us. Conservatives won't accept us, because we don't promote female gender roles, and think young boys will be happy if women were more feminine. And male feminists won't accept us because we aren't benevolent sexists who will walk on eggshells in order to coddle women's feelings. And also they hate us because we don't promote male gender roles either. Who am I kidding here lol. At the end of the day both sides hate us because we don't promote traditional masculinity as solutions to men's issues and young boys.

And I find it funny when male feminists want to represent men issues. Because it's such an oxymoron because of the male privilege narrative and the oppressed vs oppressor dichotomy. How can men have issues, when they have privilege and are the oppressors? (🤔)

Since gender is compare to race a lot. In this case women are like black people because they are oppressed. And men are like white people, since again they have privilege and are oppressors. So would it be ok if white people had their own movements for white people issues then? (🤔)

I know this is a perfect example of double speak in feminism. Where they only say contradictory things when it's convenient to them. I swear to God this "feminism is for men" or "men don't need rights movements because feminism includes men rights too" narrative only happens whenever there is a non feminist movement for men that is making waves, and feminists want to stop that movement growth before it "poison young boys minds". Most of the time feminists are saying it's not our job to help men fix their issues. So they usually have a "pull yourself by your bootstraps" mentality with men issues. But when it's convenient all of sudden "fEmiNiSm iS fOr mEn tOo".

In conclusion.

I know a lot of people might disagree with me here. But I don't think Men Libs or Men Rights Activities are good for men issues. Because both promote fake solutions to men issues, that usually end up still making it bad for men in the long run.

Since at the end of the day I honestly believe we need a gender nihilism perspective on men's issues. In order to make progress for men issues. Albeit this perspective is extremely rare though.