Society's crusade against "toxic masculinty" keeps men eternal teenagers, then shames them for not being men

masterkey8 · 2023-11-07T11:05:48+00:00

Feminists definition of “toxic masculinity” is bullshit.

According to them, if I demand a wife who is not a 30-year-old, ran through, divorcee onlyfans model, I am toxic.

People can exhibit toxic behavior, but masculinity and having preferences are not toxic.

FartOnACat · 2023-11-07T13:26:08+00:00

I have always found it bizarre that we live in an age of embracing our self-identity, yet the second a man breaks the mold of what any given woman believes he should be, he gets called any number of things.

If he's too emotional for her liking, he's fragile. He needs to keep it to himself.

If he's too stoic for her liking, he and his masculinity are toxic. He needs to open up.

The fact of the matter is that sadly, most women simply lack any degree of empathy for men. Women do not care about men who are not immediately useful to them, and if you fall outside of what a woman wants from you, expect little more than derision.

For unattractive men without resources, what women basically want is for you to take up as little space as possible. Be a ghost. Barely exist around her. Do all the dirty work that society requires but don't talk about it.

mr_ogyny · 2023-11-07T13:15:05+00:00

The toxic masculinty idea suppresses and shames all of this progress through the insistence on the need for male compliance, gynocentrism (men's live to serve women), as well as shaming male assertiveness, competetiveness and ambition.

Essentially, by framing male gender roles they benefit from as healthy or positive masculinity.

alyomushka · 2023-11-07T12:54:08+00:00

Men should just not listen. Competition is actually how civilisation was build.

If they don't want civilisation - we can send them to the forest.

Unnecessary_Timeline · 2023-11-07T12:01:07+00:00

Adolescent and Teen years are also extremely important for social development because it is when they must learn to be less dependent on parents as their social navigators. Teens with healthy parental relationships feel secure enough to initiate and maintain some separation from parents and begin bonding more meaningfully with peers.

The mantra of Toxic Masculinity shames male-male peer boding, especially amongst teen boys. A group of teen boys in public is assumed to be up to no good or as an inevitable seed of violence. IMO that bigoted assumption had a sizable role in the death of “3rd Spaces” which is thought to be a primary contributor to the death of local communities,, neighborhoods, recreation etc. It’s now very difficult to find a place outside your own residence where you are allowed to be an idle person just chilling without any intent to spend money.

I think the normalization throughout the 80s that men or boys idling in public spaces are deserving of suspicion directly impacted erosion of US social norms and basic decency.

It birthed a ton of paranoid lies which almost exclusively limited men’s social lives outside of school or work. Examples: the lies of “stranger danger”, false violent crime stats, further demonization of weed and other drugs, eradication of male recreational groups, rapid decline of male college students, of male public school teachers, of men in professional social sciences, of the very concept of flirting or courting or men’s desire for intimacy in general.

Got off track there, but yes. Shaming the natural and healthy teen male desire to pull away from parents in favor of his male peer group has caused harm to men and boys as individuals and to US culture.

webernicke · 2023-11-07T14:44:58+00:00

In a lot of cultures, historically and culturally, the teen years are when the society makes an overt effort to turn boys into men. Modern western society gets a lot wrong here and it's the core reason why we're seeing the crisis of masculinity in young men today.

For one, men are not born. They have to be made. Or at least they have to be made if being a "real man" is something that our society still wants to see as a conditional status conferred upon males being what society needs them to be. This means that we can't expect that boys are just automatically going to grow into men the way that girls grow into women. Boys need to be removed from the background radiation of gynocentrism in our society and deliberately cultivated and taught how to be men. And this process is most likely something that women cannot do. A boy raised without a father figure is at a major disadvantage, and for all the praise they rightly deserve, single mothers simply aren't enough.

For another, Western Society needs to come to grips with the fact that masculinity is something unique, and that treating both genders as if they are blank slates is disingenuous, and a a dissiverice to young men's development and society's future. Rampant misandry causes people to define "masculinity" as only those traits that are "toxic" and negative, while positive male traits are gender neutralized. "Women can be strong," "women can be brave," "women can be leaders," "women can be protectors and providers." All of this is true, but this obviates that while women can be all these things, men usually have to be all these things if they are going to be valued by society at all.

It leads directly into the above problem. If the traits of "good men" are really just the traits of "good people" then there is no reason why we have to focus on specifically training men to exhibit them. Except when the rubber meets the road, it's only men get uniquely punished for failing to live up to those ideals while women, well, those things were just more of a bonus anyway.

And then of course the third issue being that society struggles to reckon with the fact that "toxic masculinity" is an inextricable part of the package of masculinty and, as such is desireable in it's own way. We try to ignore that men that are capable of violence, brutality, domination, cruelty, and contempt for emotionality are useful in their contexts and that the lack of these darker shades of masculinity (as opposed to possesing but also controlling them) is hated more than just about anything else in men. We schizophrenically pretend that there is a way to completely avoid any hint of the toxic side of the masculinity coin, and that men should only ever be positive except, wait no, it would also be sexist to suggest that those positive traits are exclusive to men, so just be a good person, but also a good man, but the only thing that makes a man are bad things which you shouldn't do so...cue the screaming and anguish of confused young men, abandoned by the tribe unless they can thread the ever-shifting needle.

Relevant_Volume7664 · 2023-11-07T16:36:51+00:00

You used to be forced directly into a job from a young age. Often there was conscription as a young adult which naturally led to the development of adult qualities.

Now you are stuck in a university/college where you get a small lecture/discussion, but you are isolated for most of the time. Hard to make connections with your fellow men there considering the ideology and the really simp behaviour. Only other option there is joining a fraternity, but a lot of men don't want to develop in that way (i.e. partying).

It's not like getting a job after college is any better (for the most part). I've worked many minimum wage jobs and the people there are way older or strange so I'm not really able to connect with them.

What has disappeared is the way in which young men can rise to adulthood in a socially recognized way. Getting a bachelors degree or something does not cut it.

euronymousmerciless · 2023-11-07T20:12:43+00:00

I dont have friends i dont have social life i dont date, i dont know about women opinion on me. I am learning to stay in peace in home doing nothing all day and feeling happy with this, so, the time i used to go to parties or malls etc i used to face hatred from women, a lot of bullying , and a woman from school told me '''nobody respecet you'' on youtube these days. But i closed myself a lot, much more to the point i even dont know what women think about me, i dont know if they think i am toxic. Sometimes i see mens right foruns saying things like women are saying about me, things lke ''he is into the occult to get rich to get woman to opress woman'', but i dont have direct contact with women to know what they think. And now i learned to be in peace with myself in home by doing nothing

Joe-Amico · 2023-11-07T20:02:14+00:00

Bottom line, 99% of what they spew is designed by the socialists to destroy Western culture from within. I know their full of bs. You know their full of bs. Most right thinking people know their full of bs. Sure it's entertaining to point their stupidity out but, is it stupidity? Or is it carefully orchestrated attacks. Instead of laughing or mocking them we try to have intellectual debates. This is what they want. Is this Societies crusade or a tiny, itty bitty group of skilled agent provocateurs?

PowerCoreActived · 2023-11-07T18:46:55+00:00

How does being aware that somethings of what media indoctrinates into you are poisonous to yourself and others?

Like I don't know, I just think it is nice that I know fully well that I am not really supposed to express emotions to everyone and that I can work against that, rather than pile it up and turn to anger, like I am supposed to.

Large_Wonder4981 · 2023-11-08T01:48:21+00:00

Marquis de Lafayette was commissioned an officer when he was 13. They have lowered the standards for men so much it’s pathetic.

r_c2999 · 2023-11-08T01:58:38+00:00

solid post

RedcloudGeorge · 2023-11-08T03:42:30+00:00

Close. Kind of. In truth, "grown up" doesn't actually mean being more mature. It just means properly brainwashed to be a compliant servant, to find a woman and lock yourself into her control (what's called being in an "adult relationship"), to work, work, work your life away so you can buy her a house and an SUV and jewelry and ridiculous fall decorations, to bury your masculinity and pretend you like the things she tells you you should like, to give up your dreams and things you actually want so you'll have time for the lists of chores she has for you. You're told this makes you a fully mature, respectable man. You're rewarded emotionally, with praise and flattering labels for this.

Being "immature" means disregarding the rules that are continually laid out for you. If you don't obey, if you're too independent, if you have some fun and do things you actually want to, then you're "childish," you're a "teenager." You lack the proper training to make you fall in line and behave. You're not a "mature" man. You're not a "good man." You're a bad, bad dog. You're emotionally punished for not behaving the way women want you to, with scolding and shaming and undesirable labels. You're told you need to "grow up."

Listen closer and hear what women really mean when they say "grown up." "Mature" is just another word for "housebroken."

youknowthebenadryl · 2023-11-08T14:27:05+00:00

I’d say male teenagers aren’t kept as teenagers at all, they’re encouraged to be women. Emotional, irrational and illogical.

Title	Society's crusade against "toxic masculinty" keeps men eternal teenagers, then shames them for not being men
Author	Succubusslayer69
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Date	November 7, 2023 10:04 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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