Is there really a difference?

exit_sandman · 2015-04-10T13:27:52+00:00

But isn't this what the red pill wants?

Redpillers want a woman who is "not that kind of girl", those who are "not that kind of girl anymore" can stick it to where the sun doesn't shine.

DOCTORxTEETH · 2015-04-09T21:31:44+00:00

There are some women I only want to have sex with. I'm not going to wait months for something that other men have probably gotten in a couple of hours. I'll just go find another girl.

Now for a girl that doesn't run around fucking guys and I might consider a relationship with, I don't mind waiting a little while.

But I'm not gonna work for something another man got handed to him. That's like me and another guy buying a pair of shoes. He goes up to the cashier and pays $80, but when I get up there, they want me to pay $120.

leftajar · 2015-04-10T04:30:22+00:00

Do the numbers even matter if you've been with 30 people and so has she?

Yes. Sex effects men and women differently.

In short, men are able to have sex with high numbers of women without it affecting their ability to pair-bond.

This has been demonstrated scientifically. With women, but not men, higher number of sexual partners correlates strongly with divorce.

gavinok · 2015-04-09T21:23:43+00:00

Your confusing two theories from the TRP.

I think it was recently and ill link it when I'm not on mobile, someone posted about how her was making out with this girl, went to initiate more to happen, and the girl said "I'm not that kind of girl anymore".

This is an example of what we call, Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks. Where when a girl is young, she has sex with quite a few strong, attractive, and confident men, where typically she will throw her self at them the first chance she gets, and do many sexual favors for them, blow jobs, anal, threesomes, etc. And she will do it for the pure reason that she is attracted to the power they hold.

However, when a girl who has sex with these alphas start to age, gets older, and isn't as attractive as she was when she was 20, the alphas don't want her anymore, and so she starts looking for a man to fill the role of a provider. To give her financial support, comfort and security, but in doing so, this man does not sexually excite the girl. Therefore, there now, when the girl is looking for what we call beta bucks, she isn't going to give herself to him at all like she used to, there will be the, "I don't kiss on the first date" and "I don't like blowjobs, they make me feel uncomfortable", even though she did all those things for the alpha guys she hooked up with in college.

This is where a component of the slut shaming from TRP comes into play, we don't say sluts are bad, but we say they should be avoided for long term relationships because they are selfish, lack responsibility, and won't truly sexually satisfy her husband.

DreamBoatGuy25 · 2015-04-10T01:28:54+00:00

gavinok basically gave you the correct answer although there are additional key aspects as well...

But isn't this what the red pill wants? Girls who don't put out toward every guy that says "do you wanna". So why would he be mad? Is it because she use to and she's hitting the "wall" now? Or could it be she woke up just like you did with the red pill and decided to change and you should either move on or spend more time with her?

The general idea as I understand it and the thing you're misunderstanding is that virginity and sexual history is a linear vector that only travels in one direction. It's kind of a humpty dumpty thing. In other words once the deeds are done, they're done. It doesn't matter if someone suddenly "figures out" that they don't want to be promiscuous. Past promiscuity, much like other past behaviors such as spending habits (credit history), education (degrees), and illegal actions(criminal records) is something that people generally take into account when they judge you in the present. At least this is the way people generally perceive it.

Do the numbers even matter if you've been with 30 people and so has she?

According to TRP and not to mention probably the average man if you were to poll every man on the planet, yes it does matter. There are number of arguments for this that you can read on TRP if you care to know more; the lock/key metaphor, the evo psych sexual strategy theory, the pair bonding research, the fact that men and women are in fact different and attempting to apply perfect equivalence between the two is dumb. But more important than any of those is simply personal preference. Again, the reality is that majority of the planet does not share the majority of reddits views on sex. Most men would probably have a problem committing to a woman who had slept with 30 people even if that guy had done the same.

The way i see it you can't be encouraging men to get laid as much as possible and shame women for it. You either encourage both or shame both.

TRP and again most of the rest of the world seems to disagree with your viewpoint for the aforementioned reasons, but essentially again because men and women are different and those are peoples personal preferences. They do not apply the same standards to men as they do to women. And here in lies the key. People always say that the sluts vs studs is a double standard. It's not, it's a different standard. And that is far from the only different standard. For example women are absolutely merciless in their vitriol against short men, short women on the other hand are not so stigmatized. Why? Probably because studies show women are more attracted to tall men. Are you going to tell women that they should force themselves to be attracted to short men? What right do you have to do that? Do you see the connection?

Here's the important part. Consider that the things that we view as shameful about a specific sex in our society are the inverse of the things that members of the opposite sex are attracted to.

Another example would be the classic "unemployed loser who lives in his parents basement". This is a well known shame that is again applied almost exclusively to men and surprise surprise as it turns out when we study the Psychology of Attraction (you can usually find a class in the psych department at your local community college) women apply a high priority to a man's wealth, job, and status when deciding whether or not he is someone she wants to pursue and date.

So there it is.

EDIT: And I'll tell you something else. I don't necessarily ascribe to everything TRP teaches and I don't know how scientifically accurate TRP is. And I do know enough about statistics to know that a single study is far from enough to come to a conclusion. And I know that Evo Psych has some legitimate criticisms. But I majored in Social Science with a focus in Gender Studies. And I know that nearly every legitimate social scientist I've read thinks that Feminist Theory is a poor explanation for human behavior(not to mention that Critical Theory is a joke). And I know that when asked what human behavior is a result of; nature or nurture, nearly every social scientist agrees that it's both; environment AND genetics.

So even though I don't agree with everything TRP says, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that the reason that women hate on short men and prefer taller men who "make them feel protected" does in fact have an evolutionary basis wherein women who mated with larger, stronger men were better protected and thus had a better chance of passing their genes on to the next generation. And it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that the nearly universal cross-cultural female-centric aversion to promiscuity is a result of the fact that due to the biological realities of human reproduction men are never sure about their child's paternity while women are ALWAYS sure and a virgin woman was much more likely to bear a man's child and pass his genes on to the next generation, than a woman who had intercourse with several different men.

Aspiring_Hobo · 2015-04-10T07:24:00+00:00

Idk about other guys, but I don't discourage women from being whores, at least when they're young. I feel women should spend their young and supple years (their 20s) going through their whore phase then when they get old and wrinkled (in their 30s) they can try to have dignity and make something of themselves.

A lot of women do it backwards: they try to have dignity in their 20s then in their 30s (and older) they go through their whore phase. They're just trying to make up for lost time.

GridReXX · 2015-04-10T14:28:24+00:00

Part of me has begun to think that most men on trp don't even think about this because they have spent all life with maybe 2 partners and suddenly start seeing people with many more than them and get jealous.

I think TRP obsesses over it because a lot of them are inexperienced and jealous of others who never had their problems.

Villaintine · 2015-04-10T15:29:51+00:00

But isn't this what the red pill wants?

This is your first mistake, assuming all terpers are looking for LTRs. Partner history only matters if you're looking for a relationship. If you're just looking to get your dick wet then sluts are fine.

Is it because she use to and she's hitting the "wall" now?

No, as others here have said it's because she was willing to do what other guys wanted, but not you who she's supposedly serious about.

kick6 · 2015-04-10T20:34:24+00:00

But isn't this what the red pill wants? Girls who don't put out toward every guy that says "do you wanna". So why would he be mad?

Let's look at your post

"I'm not that kind of girl anymore".

The keyword that puts the answer to your question is bolded. Given the choice of being the guy she was "like that" with, or the guy that gets her after she decides she's "not like that anymore," which would you rather be?

Occasional dutysex vs uninhibited desire

I know what I'd choose...

And let's also note, that most times she goes back to being "like that" eventually.

Fuschia19 · 2015-04-09T21:17:49+00:00

according to the redpill there are two types of women:

the hypersexual slut that sleeps around, and they should be available to any man that wants to have sex with her
the asexual virgin who doesnt enjoy sex and doesn't put out for ANYONE

EDIT: THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY BAD AND DON'T DESERVE SHIT BECAUSE AWALT

hatredsplurge · 2015-04-10T07:33:39+00:00

Sex is fucking awesome. It feels great, is satisfying, is fun, builds relationships, and is a great activity to do with one or more other people. I really don't get why redpillers seem to care so fucking much about other people's sex lives. I suppose a "slut" ... I'm in va poly relationship, have sex with my partners about daily, and also hook up with friends pretty regularly. Does this fucking affect you? Sex seriously isn't that big of a deal, and as long as you are safe and use protection, it really shouldn't matter how many other people your partner(s) have sex with. Like for example if you play chess and are into it, would you be upset if you play chess with someone who's played games with 100 other people? Why is sex so different and special and sacred? If you want sex for you to be personal and special and only want to have sex with a dozen or so people total ever, yeah go for that! That's up to you. Definitely not my thing, but I won't look down on you for it. I don't see why you should look down on other people for choosing to do the opposite though, and have casual sex with friends and random hookups and other things as long as they are safe. It shouldn't affect you at all

[deleted] · 2015-04-10T14:22:35+00:00

Red pill men don't want women who had to "change" for long term relationships.

Title	Is there really a difference?
Author	SingAlong_Original
Upvotes	5
Comments	128
Date	April 9, 2015 9:14 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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