The Dented Can Store of the SMP

sir_wankalot_here · 2016-05-05T22:46:51+00:00

Initial thoughts:

This is how some men get married. We see this at MRP sometimes. Nice guy all of a sudden has a 29 year old new church convert paying lots of attention to him. She is by far the most attractive woman who has ever shown any interest in him. He is immediately smitten. He believes "my niceness has finally paid off! I knew it would work!"

Little does he know she is a recently discarded carouseler who has finally decided to consolidate and "settle down" because she "wants to do it the right way this time" and is "tired of the players and the games". The marriages that result from this are doomed to failure or lifelong misery and frustration.

The reverse gender situation is one in which a plain looking girl lands a very attractive man. He routinely cheats on her because he can. She tolerates it because she knows he is by far the best she could ever do.

I think that there is something to the "dented can" theory, in that it results in some pairings, but those pairings are not ultimately successful.

Lonny_zone · 2016-05-05T22:57:00+00:00

There was another thread that made the case that "market value" should be taken literally.

So using that logic: if a "9-SMV" paraplegic can only get a 5, then he is actually a 5. A Canadian dollar is worth less than an American dollar even though they are both called dollars (lol).

My impression is that this is may be a good strategy for women, but not for men. Again, you can see fat chicks with men of average weight.

So what sacrifice does a 5 guy need to make to get a 9 girl?

I don't think I will be cruising the psych ward for schizophrenics. She might think I am Edward from Twilight but the orderlies aren't gonna let us fuck.

sublimemongrel · 2016-05-05T23:49:03+00:00

I think I'd just prefer to have a relationship with someone who is about my same level of SMV, but I agree that your theory might work for some. It's like recognizing that some people will put up with some "baggage" for a hot partner. We all know this to be true.

To me though, the relationship value is much more important, so perhaps that makes me different than a lot of people who visit PPD. Compatibility is important to me, finding someone "on my level", aka someone who is generally about equal to me all things considered but who loves me (yet still requires effort on my behalf in a relationship) is more important than SMV.

If he's on a similar SMV as me, chances are we will both be attracted to each other, there will be less jealousy and less of a power struggle, and we can both avoid the "baggage"

This is a good thoughtful post!

[deleted] · 2016-05-06T00:29:02+00:00

Dented can theory. Maybe not quite worthy of TRP sidebar but either way a pretty solid concept. I think you should "red" this post up a bit and post in TRP. I would be fascinated to see the response.

I agree with PemBayliss that it can result in relationships that would not otherwise occur. I disagree that the relationship has to be bad or bland. I have done it, both short and long term, and the relationships were fantastic.

What everyone needs to inderstand about dented or second hand cans is that THEY believe they are 1-3 points lower in SMV than they actually are. Say you have a girl who is a solid 8 in appearance. However she grew up without a dad and because she is an introvert, this led to her suffering much more than someone else would. She is needy and wants older men, she needs more attention and affection than most girls. She is psychotically jealous and scared of you abandoning her.

All of the above "defects" can work to your advantage. It is the same for girls. Find a guy with mummy issues and he will want to date older women and he will be less focussed on looks. I have two mates with mummy issues (meaning their mums were substandard/ not always around). Both of these guys are muscular and good looking but they only date older women. They are always with women who are 1-3 points lower than them in SMV.

I think dented can theory is solid. I have used it (unknowingly) and it can be an actual advantage. This is great advice for any man or woman who wants to have someone more physically attractive than they would normally have access to.

bromance946 · 2016-05-05T22:45:57+00:00

Maybe this works for women, but I don't see how it can work for men. Women with BPD, depression and deep insecurities will still have men throwing themselves at them, provided they're hot.

alreadyredschool · 2016-05-05T22:48:55+00:00

For the purposes of this post, assume that you've already maxed out your SMV through your method of choice. You are fit and you are the absolute model of a RP/BP man/woman (pick your poison). "Just improve more" isn't a viable option.

Max charisma and move to an area without competition.

What do you think of my Dented Can theory of the SMV. Is it sound, would you use it, and is it worth it?

If you don't care about the dent buy the can, if you do stay in your league.

Camille11325 · 2016-05-05T22:50:13+00:00

This is great! It fits perfectly with existing RP theories and you explained it well :)

Although I personally would never use this strategy (or want it used on me), it is a valid one for men who are interested in short term relationships/flings/FWB dynamics with women who are substantially higher in SMV. If a 8+ woman is flawed, and she never meets a man who has issues that pair well with hers, then she likely will be receptive to the attention from a 5-7 SMV man. For women, I think this would only be "worth it" if the girl was below average, shooting for an average guy. Average women can either improve themselves or just act sluttier to get higher SMV guys to sleep with them.

Wowbaggerrr · 2016-05-06T01:18:32+00:00

I think this is just kind of common sense. Someone's SMV isn't solely determined by looks. That's a big chunk of it, but the "dents in your can" definitely factor in. So, say you look like a 7, but as soon as you open your mouth, people realize that you're a needy, insecure disaster, you might drop down to a 5. That's your value, and that's probably the best you can hope to attract.

So yes, mostly I agree with you. If you're physically a 5, and you want to date a physical 8, get someone who's deeply flawed. But that flawed person's SMV isn't 8, it's 5.

[deleted] · 2016-05-05T23:38:48+00:00

"Don't bite off more than you can chew, for fuck's sake. If you don't have an iron constitution and a rock-solid frame, don't go fucking around with the severely mentally unstable."

I would say don't fuck around with anyone who you suspect has a mental illness. These are the kind of girls who when you dump them with get physically violent, threaten to go to the cops for rape, threaten to kill themselves etc.

I have friends who are paying for their girlfriends therapy every week and had to take time off work to deal with a girls complete mental breakdown where they have been hospitalized.

This kind of thing is not worth it for any man/women.

Feeldariddim · 2016-05-06T00:01:23+00:00

why do people think ratings are across the board? what some 19 year old thinks is a 10 could very easily be 7 to a 32 year old who's seen a thing or two and vice versa.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-05-06T01:23:45+00:00

Nothing to say but i love this post lol

exit_sandman · 2016-05-06T07:14:29+00:00

While you theory has its merits, I would strongly advise against actually using it (at least for LTRs) in most cases because the payoff isn't really worth the downside. In fact, screening for the downsides is actually a pretty big part of TRP - because ultimately, the downsides mean in most cases that she's such a shitty partner that even her hotness can't make up for it.

Is having an 8 really worth it for a guy who is 5 when she is just a plain bad partner? Because she is incredibly self-centered and makes his life a living hell; or because she was an escort or a stripper with loads of issues and sees sex as a bargaining chop; or because she's a single mom who puts her two children first and basically only treats him as a (necessary) accessory to her life who always gets the short stick, but never as a priority. The possibilities are endless, and I dare to predict it's hardly ever worth it.

The best shot you have is improving as much as possible and then trying to find a partner who doesn't care about the downsides that provide the ceiling for your SMV. Like Peter Dinklage who obviously found a reasonably hot woman for whom height was not a dealbreaker.

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cxj · 2016-05-07T21:24:35+00:00

I'm a dented SMV can. I can get casual sex with hot or average girls but only ltrs with average ones.

The hot girls I've got with were all dented cans too lol. I'd be fine with say, a somewhat promiscuous past as long as it's not triple digits or gang bangs.

I'd also consider the right single mother. (Srs).

ozymandias271 · 2016-05-05T22:42:26+00:00

I can't confirm, my guy is way out of my league but he's also perfect in every way. Lucky me, I guess!

[deleted] · 2016-05-06T01:21:00+00:00

Bluntly: Find someone who has something wrong with them.

I'd take this a step further. With enough skill and adeptness, you can find someone out of your league and dent them yourself . This could be subtly chipping away their confidence, alienating them from their support networks, gaslighting them, making them feel unlovable, or outright sabatoging their SMV (fattening them up, throwing acid on their face, etc). I'm sure there are lots of other methods a creative soul could come up with. This "dent the can yourself" method could obviously backfire on you if you accidentally dent them too far or puncture straight through the metal, but at that point they're just ruined trash to throw away anyway so no loss there.

despisedlove2 · 2016-05-06T03:55:47+00:00

Horrible idea. Short-sighted and asking for trouble. Would be real nice for the man to remember when he is being divorce raped.

You want someone with a hidden character flaw just because they look good? Here is news flash Sherlock: because of the unnatural amount of positive attention they get, most super beautiful women grow up with warped character and shitty personalities.

Where do you think the term diva comes from?

Character requires personal experience of failure, need to treat other people nicely, etc. Most 8-10 girls wouldn't have that in their life experience.

If the flaw is that a 9 carousel riding woman hit her wall, how is what you are suggesting any different from what TRP warns men against?

There are ways to get 8-10 girls even for lower SMV guys. It is through being naturally dominant and projecting power. Being assertive, having a tendency to not take nonsense, and forcing your way through argument (with passionate good arguments). Show zeal. In my post divorce life, I regularly experience this. Power is indeed the ultimate aphrodisiac for a woman. However, despite that, I am sensible and grounded enough to not act on it. Why?

It doesn't last.

No matter how powerful you may be at work, or at daily combat, you come back home to unwind, relax and enjoy life. You want to savor the fruits of your victories. You dabble in nicer things like cooking, listening to music, being silly, express emotion, even have moments of weakness, in short, be a human. You can't do that with a woman who is 8-10 unless you are in the same league. Why? She will mistake your normalcy for weakness and then take a look at your #4 mug and think to herself, "I can do better.". Then she will screw you over.

If you have to go for something long term, settle for someone in your own range. A woman never stays with you because of you, regardless of what they say. You can be the most supportive husband in the world, and she will still cheat.

She stays with you because she is convinced she can't do better. And the reason why had better not be the wall or a character flaw.

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Master_of_Ritual · 2016-05-06T22:58:09+00:00

This was certainly true for F. Scott Fitzgerald and his wife Zelda.

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[deleted] · 2016-05-06T11:58:57+00:00

This is how the Manic Pixie Dream Girl relationship works.

Unremarkable beta doesn't want to compromise on looks so he finds a hot girl with BPD, Bipolar or who is generally a massive brat and convinces himself that only he is capable of loving her difficult personality.

Your kuh-razy antics are not adorable, you need to either learn some respect or back the fuck up.

wazzup987 · 2016-05-05T23:01:11+00:00

Blue pill has said this exact thing for years and we get yelled at for it.

Plenty of BP folks, including myself, have said for a long time that RP guys go for women who have been abused, or who are otherwise vulnerable when practicing their Dark Triad spells and incantations. And we get called all kinds of names for pointing out this obvious fact!

Now the OP comes along and lays out a strategy for bedding the halt, slow, and lame females that fall behind the herd and it's applause all around. "Good show, young man, good show!"

Seriously? This is nothing new.

Entropy-7 · 2016-05-06T03:53:07+00:00

"Dented Can" is just another way of saying "damaged goods".

One commenter pointed out that if a girl isn't being hit on by 8s then she is not an 8; that is, if her personality is so toxic or her physical "dent" is so off-putting that it drives guys away then you are not getting an objectively hotter woman. You are hamstering away her faults and over focusing on the good points. Going after the fat chick because she has "nice tits" doesn't change the fact that she is still a fat SMV3 manatee (although I'm sure she has a "nice personality").

If the girls is hot, say an 8, then she has guys hitting on her left-right-and-centre. The only explanation for her not being on someone's arm or in someone's bed is because she has some sort of defense system that shoots down all incoming bogeys for one reason or another. Since no HG8+ guys can cut it, that leaves the opening for a 7 or a 6 to insinuate himself into her good graces.

Phase I is to short circuit those defenses; phase II is dealing with the jumbled up emotional mess you find once you arrive. To begin, you have to figure out what her damage is.

I have never deployed this as a strategy but I have found myself with some spectacularly good looking women only to find myself thinking "my god, what have I got myself into?" It only made sense in retrospect why I was getting nookie that was clearly out of my league.

The big problem is intel: what's her damage? If you can figure that out, then you have the chance to avoid her defenses. As far as I can see, the only ways you can do this is if you have friends of friends who know her; or you are using internet dating.

With the latter, you would have to do some research about potential mental disturbances, learn to identify the tells and desires, formulate an approach, and then construct your online profile to target that.

Title	The Dented Can Store of the SMP
Author	madscientistlove
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Date	May 5, 2016 10:38 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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