Chad Thundercock and the story of redemption

caesarfecit · 2016-06-12T22:46:54+00:00

This comes very close to one of my favorite points about the Alpha myth:

Chad Thundercock is stuck playing a role, just like Mr. Chump Beta. It just appears to be a slightly better one.

Consider the following.

Chad is highly attractive to women. He doesn't have to try very hard and they just flock to him. Even when he pushes them away or treats them like furniture, this just excites them even more. Even when he sleeps with their BFF, all this does is stir their competitive juices, rather than their outrage at him. In fact there's only one thing Chad can do to really break a woman from his spell:

Be himself.

Nobody is Alpha 100% of the time. Even mobsters get old, and kings rely on their closest advisors more the longer they are in power. Nobody can go through life without having to confront their inner vulnerabilities and demons eventually.

Chad is attractive to women because he is a symbol to women. A walking, talking trophy and tribute to their feminine powers. She can seduce anyone, just look at the stud at her beck and call. Ordinary guys don't stand a chance with her. At this point, the question of who is using who becomes more and more vague and muddled.

The problem is, when you're just a symbol to somebody, there's no room for the real you. The reality of people is that we're walking, talking contradictions. We can be heroes one moment, villains the next. Brave and empowered in one context, a babe lost in the woods in another. Our identities are in large part moving targets, based on how we feel about ourselves, and how we make others feel.

The more Chad-like Chad gets, the more he is trapped in this role. It's okay to play the Chad from the time to time, women really do respond to it, even in spite of themselves. The same way guys are around the femme fatale/sex kitten role women often play.

The problem is, the deeper into that role you get, the women around you begin to change. They stop being otherwise interesting women looking for a dashing man to sweep them off their feet or a night or a week, and the more manipulative, insecure, and full of drama they become. Your perception of women begins to change, as the way you represent yourself to them gets more lopsided and out of balance. You begin to hold women in contempt, as they respond to only the shallow and superficial aspects of you and have at best, zero interest in the you beneath the surface, behind the symbolic. It becomes a chicken-egg thing - which came first, your increasing disdain for vain, shallow, and insecure women, or the increasing number of them and decreasing number of quality women, turned off and bored by your lack of substance.

And then they day comes when you actually need someone, and your vulnerability gets the better of you. And like something out of a cartoon, the women who put up with any and all kinds of mistreatment or neglect, skip town like you just told them you had AIDS. Your symbolic value to them has been destroyed by the reality of you. After all, they weren't buzzing around you to hear about your insecurities, secret dreams, or old wounds. They wanted you to fit some idealized archetype of their desired sexual partner, or worse, you're just a prop to serve their own vanity.

The lesson is to embrace yourself, all of yourself, and grow all elements of yourself to be in balance with each other. That way you can still play the Chad when it suits you, and be real when it suits you. Going from one extreme to the other is a maladapative coping mechanism that doesn't solve the original problem. In many ways, Chad and Chump are just two sides of the same coin. Don't be a coin, be three-dimensional.

alreadyredschool · 2016-06-12T20:07:01+00:00

Not really, it's arguable that for example asian people have a lot more percentage of "beta" providers than the western world, the "patriarchy" has been much stronger in such countries and it's hard to really see an asian "Chad".

White people are being fair game for "hateful identity politics", mostly because our women have way more freedom of speech and agency to bash the beta male here, and it's arguable that we're far too tolerant of hate speech and accepting of foreign people that later lobby to accuse the white males of being evil incarnated.
On many asian countries where poverty is very much common place, most women can't afford to simply discard the option of having a provider for them.

despisedlove2 · 2016-06-13T02:36:41+00:00

Summarizing.

Are you saying that women love drama?

joseremarque · 2016-06-12T21:15:39+00:00

No. With Chad Thundercock is the badboy, the heartbreaker etc represents the prodigal son who hurts those he loves, wastes money, becomes a party animals... and then gains popularity, prestige, and the adulation of women! He is never humbled. There is no greater redemption story. It's like an episode of Game of Thrones. Sometimes the bad guys win.

It's the hard working and loyal betas that have their virtues rejected by society and thrown in their face. The betas got rock bottom but there are no family it friends to redeem them, only the sweet embrace of the red pill.

2016-06-12T22:37:58+00:00

I think your over complicating the concepts here.

Chad is not necessarily a bad boy, he is a man that exudes power. His strength and charisma make women excited and horny. Often times this comes from him being muscular, bold, assertive, daring, and confident.

Most importantly, it involves chad doing what he wants, and not giving a shit about what others think of him.

When a man acts totally behaved, like a gentlemen, and tries to please women, he is putting women on a pedestal. He doesn't make women excited because women don't feel the power exuding from him. Women aren't excited by men who they already have in control.

CovenantoftheSun · 2016-06-12T19:19:52+00:00

White people represent domesticated, docile Betas?

The ghost of Jack London would like a word with you. Seriously, guy's a chaotic, colorful character. He was almost always the alpha of any room he walked into both physically and mentally. He was white.

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2016-06-12T20:25:28+00:00

No. With Chad Thundercock is the badboy, the heartbreaker etc represents the prodigal son who hurts those he loves, wastes money, becomes a party animals... and then gains popularity, prestige, and the adulation of women!