Women are more "psychologically dangerous". Far more. Think of the siren (mythology), vamp, femme fatale, etc.

GridReXX · 2017-03-23T12:56:25+00:00

Ryan Phillipe in Cruel Intentions

Oh dear Christ. Get back to me when you have seen the film that Cruel Intentions was a sad pale imitation of. (And when you have read the de Laclos novel.)

And yes, there is a rich literary tradition of men who use and discard women, often destroying them in the process. See Don Juan/Don Giovanni, discussed here a few weeks ago. Byron makes it clear that he is far worse than what people commonly describe as a cad, and the Mozart opera opens with an attempted rape. See Samuel Richardson's novel Clarissa, which tells a long-ass story about a virtuous young woman who is preyed upon by every single man in her life.

If there is not an exactly male analogue to the "siren," it is because it was commonly understood for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years that all men posed a physical and moral danger to vulnerable young women. You didn't need a "cad" to signify a threat. Any male would do.

Edit: This is what happens when you STEM too hard and ignore the humanities. There is an enormous body of literature available on this very topic to anybody who chooses to access it.

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-03-23T13:07:47+00:00

The violent eye rolling episode brought on by this post has everyone convinced I have epilepsy. S'okay tho it can work as a nice cover to disarm my unsuspecting victims before I prey on them with my dangerous vamping femme fatale psyche.

Srsly. You should delete this.

midnightvulpine · 2017-03-23T10:30:53+00:00

Sirens are mythological creatures. Vamp and Femme Fatale are tropes, often used in fiction to present antagonistic female characters. You might want to go into more real, substantive detail about these concepts in reality if you want to draw in someone who doesn't already agree with your ideas out of hand.

At least, if you want someone to agree that women are inherently dangerous. Charismatic men and women with low moral character have always been a problem for people IRL. Both genders are fully capable of charisma and a lack of morals to curb their impulses. Watch enough Investigation Discovery and you'll see stories of both, along with other tales of people being shitty.

rulenumber303 · 2017-03-23T17:16:30+00:00

Is there a male version of any of those?

The satyr, the libertine, the rake.

says_harsh_things · 2017-03-23T12:35:17+00:00

I think men take advantage of women about as often as women take advantage of men. Maybe it skews a bit more to women, but its not a huge amount.

The more attractive person always has more opportunity to take advantage of the relationship.

Trp seems to think it happens all the time because theyre on the short end of the stick.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2017-03-23T14:21:21+00:00

Is there a male version of any of those?

Vampires, some of the more clever incubi, the older Faerie kind, before they were shrunk down and their stories neutered for the Victorians. Satan, of course, excels.

But do go on, you were about to expose Minnie Mouse and Disney's Belle for the seductive death traps they are? Just curious, how do you feel about Teeth? Because I'm getting mixed messages on that one.

crankypants15 · 2017-03-23T16:01:17+00:00

If you are dating a lot of younger American girls, say under age 25, you will be dating girls who have not yet solved their serious inner issues. And in high school there will be a lot of girls, and boys, with issues, including ignorance about how to date. Calling them vamps doesn't solve that.

despisedlove2 · 2017-03-23T12:40:05+00:00

The inherent destructiveness of the female nature has been understood by every major civilization, every culture and every major country.

Contrary to feminist propaganda, this common feature in human history didn't arise from misogyny. It is illogical to characterize people giving up their lives to save women, cutting across cultures, as misogynistic. Just doesn't add up.

Every culture, without exception, has tried to place limits on female sexuality because they understood and feared the potency of this weapon when wielded by amoral creatures devoid of any ethics.

In the modern world, with the advent of recreational divorce and weaponization of family laws against men, society itself has begun to fray and fall apart, as toxic feminism takes its inevitable toll.

Any male equivalent to this level of toxicity is rare.

SmurfESmurferson · 2017-03-23T20:00:55+00:00

There are simply far less examples of "Don Juan's" than seductresses. Besides the legend of Don Juan (1630), I can only think of Tale of Genji which was written in 1008. These types of men in real life are so rare they only appear in literature every few hundred years.

This is a case of confirmation bias. Off the top of my head:

Casanova (real guy, but his autobiography is a great literary read)
Rhett Butler (Gone With The Wind)
Wickham (Pride & Prejudice)
Earl of Rochester (any of his poems)

In modern culture:

Mr Big (Sex & The City)
Joey (Friends)
Barney (How I Met Your Mother)
Archer (Archer)

It's a well known archetype.

Aaren_Augustine · 2017-03-23T11:43:22+00:00

This is something RP tries very hard to equalize

No, neutralize. By "holding frame" you can start to not be so effected by what a woman can say to you; which is a way of starting to learn not to seek so much validation from women.

So is Negative Visualizations. So is learning how to pass a Shit test and comfort test.

RP doesn't get this. It's much more complex than doing squats all day long. lol.

I can tell two things from this comment. One, your squat form fucking sucks. And two, how could you ever get a clear understanding of DT if you can't even get the basic RP concepts I've just listed? Its akin to seeing a light in the night's sky and automatically assuming it to be a alien from another galaxy.

And if we're having that conversation, lets talk about what virtue is and why women WON'T be so in some very opportune times. Which you elude to by saying "psychologically dangerous". RP calls it being opportunistic.

Ercole-- · 2017-03-23T19:43:00+00:00

Name one movie where the femme fatale could whoop the ass of the leading male. Cruel Intentions doesn't count, it only proves you right about non DT men misunderstanding DT.

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matrixpush · 2017-03-23T15:38:02+00:00

Very few men are naturally dark triad, where most women are, or at the very least have the capability to be.

I highly doubt it. When analyzing the habits and methods of cunning women, it's usually just down to the apathy that comes from not having responsibility.

Ever hear of affluenza?

People let women get away with things because people like women.
Guys manipulate themselves constantly when they love/are attracted to a woman.

If you've ever seen a video where a girl repeatedly beats on a guy and has that look of "My whole world view has just been shifted." when he hits back, you can see a physical representation of what would happen when a guy calls out obvious bullshit.

Furthermore

A non dark triad man cannot feign dark triad properly.

I don't think this is true either. It's not that a non-dark triad man cannot feign dark triad properly. A more culturally molded man cannot dark triad properly, because he extends his caring morality further than he should. A man should generally care for his family and apply justice to everyone else.

I apply this principle. It is understood among family and friends that they and only they receive the best treatment. Everyone else is treated based on my personal benefit.

And I assure you, when men do it, they're far more proficient, because it's more of a challenge. Nobody lets a man win when he manipulates them, whereas a woman may be extremely obvious and get her way because someone finds them cute.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-23T16:19:44+00:00

You're on to something but get off base

Is there a male version of any of those?

No, it's just tall/dark/handsome, with a touch of debonair. Some men even not being that, still have a natural ability, although it's rare. Everyone knows a guy like this (they will use him as point of reference every chance they get). The average guy who's just such a ladykiller. It's very rare, especially in the modern age.

True. Dorian Grey comes to mind.

This is something RP tries very hard to equalize with their entire "dark triad" movement. Very few men are naturally dark triad, where most women are, or at the very least have the capability to be. A non dark triad man cannot feign dark triad properly. RP doesn't get this. It's much more complex than doing squats all day long. lol.

Here's where you're going too far.

What is DT-like about most women is their amazing capacity for Machiavellianism.

That's about it.

Most women are not psychopaths or psychopathic. They are ruthless, but they can't help but care about people's feelings, and require strong justification to cause harm. Problem of course is that women are great at justifying and rationalizing anything, especially smarter women, and they're even better at it than men due to how the female brain operates and excels at coming up with anything related to an idea.

Most women also are incapable of being truly narcissistic in the way DT narcissism requires. Narcissism requires a large ego with irrational amounts of pride and self love and confidence, these are not part of what most women will be readily able to achieve.

Ryan Phillipe in Cruel Intentions (yeah 90s teen movie) played this role to absolute perfection as Valmont. RP of course would say he acted too feminine & didn't hit the gym enough.

A promise is a promise.

la vraie pilule

Nah, he wasnt generally too feminine, and he was plenty fit, he had no need to be more imposing with more muscles and by being more feminine he leveraged his beauty to amplify his Machiavellianism and gain more trust more easily.

dumb_intj · 2017-03-23T19:48:19+00:00

It's an evolutionary/cultural adaptation. Women are physically weaker, so they learned to be more psychologically manipulative in order to survive.

Title	Women are more "psychologically dangerous". Far more. Think of the siren (mythology), vamp, femme fatale, etc.
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