Long Term Predictions?

TheChemist158 · 2018-03-21T16:38:24+00:00

I think the biggest issue with this mindset is that idealogies aren't genetic. You can hop to a range of beliefs as an adult (or at least adolescent). If you want to propagate your ideas rather than genes you should try to influence uncertain people, particularly youths.

I know a lot of professors are like that. They all have their own ideas about how science should be done. They don't pop out babies to try to spread their ideas, they mentor/teach students studying science.

MelodramaticMouse · 2018-03-21T16:43:14+00:00

MGTOWs and their feminist counterparts are such a small portion of the population that it really shouldn't matter if they reproduce. The people who will be reproducing will be the same people who have had families in the past and present: normal people. Their relationships will look like normal relationships.

squidracer · 2018-03-21T21:30:37+00:00

We will probably end up more like Japan.

Is that good or bad? Idk. Bad for the welfare state and social security.

They saw their fathers work litterly to death and realized just how insane that really is. Not only do i not blame young men for checking out, I'm personally getting ready to leave my job for a to pursue something i enjoy instead

DaphneDK42 · 2018-03-22T08:49:01+00:00

J. D. Unwin, Sex and Culture, made prediction on this. After careful studies of a number of previous cultures, he concluded that civilisations which didn't carefully curtail female sexuality, which didn't require her to be virgin at marriage, where divorce was common, monogamous marriage was in decline, etc. were on a pathway to inexorable decline. He also concluded that once female sexuality had been set free it, and women been given extensive rights, the decline was inevitable and irreversible. The culture would eventually be conquered and supplanted by an external culture with more masculine energy.

I don't know how he can say it was irreversible though. The Victorians (which indeed were exceptionally energetic and productive) came after a period of much more lax morals.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-03-21T17:40:39+00:00

Will we ever reach a collective decision about new social contracts?

it has never worked this way and it wont in the future

ellieectrode · 2018-03-22T02:29:59+00:00

We are definitely in the middle of a power struggle between a hyper conservative faction that allies itself with the old power structure of the Washington based US government and the new bi-coastal powers that came out of the info and finance spheres.

But I think the hyper conservative traditionalist values and gendered work are going to go the way of the dodo, because they originate from the relatively recent post WWII era with a set of economic polices that have been defunct since the 80's. Collectives and people who take on non- gendered roles do better in this era which is more similar to the one that our grandparents grew up in than the one that saw the boom of the American middle class.

Over my lifetime this is info age liberalism is going to spread and normalize across the greater US as info-workers on the coast realize they can work remotely and live in cheaper areas that have traditionally been strongholds of conservative values. The real 'murica is gonna get gentrified. (It's already happening.)

I can foresee American neo-conservatism being some kind of weird subculture that my teenage kids get all into for awhile.

_THE_END_IS_NIGH_ · 2018-03-21T17:29:52+00:00

The numbers aren't going to shrink. And maybe there won't be a drastic change. But perhaps an increase of what is already present.

A large number of men are going to move a great part of their lives online. Virtual reality is coming and once you make a break through the improvements come even faster.

A similar situation like in Japan. Now you might say Japan is different, different culture blah blah blah, but the problems that drove them to do so can be found everywhere and are not unique. They can't compete, get fed up and go for what is available and won't turn them down.

Jgfjkgfcb1234 · 2018-03-21T22:47:04+00:00

Wealth inequality will mean that rich and poor men will reproduce while middle class men (and women) will be left out. The middle class will see drastically declining birth rates (as it already is). About 40% of millennials will be childless, primarily the middle class. Children will become a status symbol or lifestyle choice. Hyoergamy will once again come in vogue since women will NEED men financially to survive. Soft harems will be widespread and accepted.

Because of income inequality relationships will be more stable since neither women or men can afford divorce. The rich will shelter their money in trusts, immune from divorce rape and that whole paradigm will fall to the wayside.

Salty-Bastard · 2018-03-22T02:46:13+00:00

Cities across America will go bankrupt due to unfunded pension obligations for their employees. We will have an economic recession caused by the scam that public employee wages for useless jobs. People will have to make choices about what services they want and public employees will have to make choices about how much their willing to accept for pay. Nobody will give a shit about SJW feelings, political correctness, or gender quotas, which will be a breath of fresh air.

mgtow_1 · 2018-03-22T05:53:27+00:00

The system has to be stable, benefit people in ways they value, and incentivise people to build and contribute. You remove any one of these and the system starts to fall apart. Today many of the traditional benefits and incentives have been reduced if not completely removed. As a result people participate less or take more than they give, which results in less stability. Things continue long enough without a correction and the systems fail.

apube · 2018-03-21T17:18:59+00:00

FYI your post formatting it a little wonky and difficult to read on mobile

personalatale · 2018-03-21T18:09:47+00:00

I forgot to answer the question. Human societies will further polarize. Each population is mating to the best of its ability. People with traditional values will continue traditional values and family structures. Others will decentralize the family structure. Others will toss it: LGBT, poly-amorous, single mother, etc. Many will have justified their lives prior with ideologies, like a feminist single mother, leaving them little excuses for will-driven choices.

Greater individual expression and connectivity leads to greater, more fitting pairs from both the sexual and reproductive groups of the dating market. Stable families will become more stable. Greater disparities in mating selection as such.

I think society will functionally change and adapt before we see seismic consequences. For instance, move to a decentralized model of government and localized communities that would thereafter increasing mating chances for lower members of a group hierarchy even in a globalized society. I also think that the increasing industrialization and depersonalization of the world will lead to an opposite reaction, with personalization, community and engagement becoming dominant modes of human interaction in the 21st century.

edit: actually fairly important, I also believe religion/altered spirituality could come back into play at some point during the 21st century after largely being abandoned in the wake of the cultural revolution

[deleted] · 2018-03-21T20:15:18+00:00

Will we ever reach a collective decision about new social contracts?

No

rulenumber303 · 2018-03-21T23:14:34+00:00

Will we ever reach a collective decision about new social contracts?

We never have in the past, there has always been dissent and deviance from the norm, why should we now?

mistercheeez-o____O- · 2018-03-22T22:26:06+00:00

So how will the people who do reproduce change the landscape for generations to come?

It's hard to tell. It's not like the dynamics between the sexes have completely flipped.

What kind of men and what kind of women will reproduce? And what will their relationships look like?

A plethora of different kinds of men and women will reproduce, as always.

Will we ever reach a collective decision about new social contracts?

Many may be attempted, and they will likely fail. Like most attempts at massive social engineering.

sadomasochrist · 2018-03-23T00:42:19+00:00

Scandinavian countries.

iquestion_321 · 2018-03-20T22:22:00+00:00

Part of the reason I ask is because I do look at things from an evolutionary perspective, and I try to use those ideas to inform my decisions. Not everyone holds a social darwanist position like I do, but if I'm right that morality itself is shaped by natural selection, it would be foolish of me to do anything that impedes my genes from spreading, despite my inclination towards antinatalism on moral grounds.

Title	Long Term Predictions?
Author	iquestion_321
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Comments	76
Date	March 20, 2018 10:08 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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