[Mod] Snark, sarcasm, and mocking...

Whisper · 2014-11-06T17:15:48+00:00

While I generally agree, sometimes laughter is an important weapon against nonsense.

You see, when an opponent takes a rational position, one can debate rationally. But when someone says something cartoonishly ludicrous (saying "good morning is sexual harassment, the burden of proof should be on those accused of rape), then debating them actually lends them credibility because it makes their position seem worthy of this kind of address.

In other words, we debate people who think socialism can work... but we don't debate people who think Elvis is alive. We laugh at them. Because otherwise we are helping them to move the Overton window.

GayLubeOil · 2014-11-06T17:40:54+00:00

This is a bit off topic but here goes anyway: If you are going to post on Red Pill post for your audience not for yourself.

Keep your posts a moderate length. Keep your paragraphs short. Avoid unnecessary details. Don't suck your own dick too much.

IllimitableMan · 2014-11-06T15:22:33+00:00

do us all a favor and consider if the comment you're about to make truly brings value to our sub.

Probably the most important part of this post. If a post or comment doesn't add significant value, then it shouldn't be submitted. Of course I have on numerous occasions been baited into stupid arguments, nobody is perfect, but I never incite them. In fact I think the endorsed badge makes you a target for people who take general issue with TRP but hide within the sub rather than just nope the fuck out of here.

Criticising someone by attacking them doesn't count as adding value, it looks bitchy/needlessly critical/provocative and is generally, in poor taste. You add value by instructing them (with methodology) on how they can do better, not by saying "HEY GAI, U DOIN THIS SHIT ALL WRONG, U NEED TO READ A BOOK" that's not adding value, that's just bitchy BS trying to pass itself off as advice. I'm pretty sure everyone is acquainted with the concept of reading, you can't truly believe you're not being a pretentious little fuck when you say dumb asinine shit like this without going into specifics and giving the target of your opinion examples they can research.

Sometimes I think a person who approaches me on here as retarded, or other times autistic, because there seems to be a growing prevalence for someone to miss the general point to argue "it isn't always like that." It doesn't have to be about women, it can be anything, you get these people who fill the need, almost obsessively, to point out that 0.35% of the time that in fact X does occur in spite of the dominance of Y. It's like a NAWALT for non-women related things. Again, we can work that out from deduction, that adds no value. It is a fluff redundant post.

There are a growing number of faggots on the sub who try to pass off "I told him to read a book in a aggravating way" as "self-help advice" but it isn't. I've had it happen to me recently and I don't appreciate it. If you're not going to give someone the tools/resources to do something better, you're probably not helping, just undermining with unactionable criticism. We are not here to undermine each other, but help. So if you see someone needs help with something specifically, tell them how to do it - point to a resource, show them HOW THEY CAN TAKE ACTION. If you don't, your suggestion/opinion comes off as pretension, not advice. Also if you don't know how to help someone, don't make some half-assed post because you want reddit karma (the shit is worthless,) we don't need the blind leading the blind.

A little respect and thoughtfulness in how you communicate with others goes a long way. Again, I suppose that is a self improvement interpersonal skill for the real omegas and social outcasts who have almost zero social skills and don't realise they alienate people in this way. Learning to value information exchange in and of itself, and keeping it high quality, rather than arguing the pedantic fuck out of any perceived imperfection or fallibility of someone's assertion (hiding in hypothetical, attacking their spelling etc) is crucial. All this pedantic shit throws entire topics off and leads to bitch fits. Not necessary. Must stop.

deepthrill · 2014-11-06T16:36:03+00:00

but encourage you all as a group to drop the language of the passive and stay focused on the topic at hand

Without necessarily calling out individual posters or comments from recent discussions, it may be beneficial to others if you have a few specific examples of sentences that are over the top snarky which prompted this post.

__ROOSTER__ · 2014-11-06T18:01:03+00:00

One of the best things I was ever told by another man , came from a SAS SGM. He told me "Rooster, we are men. We do not live in the world of lies"

Speak man-talk to other men, remove all the little beta bitch from your soul. Man talk is straight, it doesn't mean it's nice, in fact it many times isn't "nice" , it for lack of a better term "tough love" if you care about another man you talk straight to him.

Of course you need to be talking to a man, if he is a male , not a man , it won't work.

Snark and most sarcasm are how pussies talk IMO. All I can think of is a Seinfeld episode.

On the flip side is a man straight talks you and it's constructive, you shouldn't whine and make excuses like a little bitch either. A good indicator of your actual self-worth is how you take constructive criticism from worthy people that actually have your interests at heart.

gideonrakthor · 2014-11-06T15:24:43+00:00

call somebody a "rapist" or snark about double standards instead of address them rationally, I encourage you to change your approach.

No man can call himself RP if he uses those methods to engage in critique/discussion. A group that prides in its logic and reasoning skills should accept nothing less.

2014-11-06T18:48:35+00:00

The reason why TRP is such a good sub is partly because the snark and circlejerking that makes up the rest of reddit does not happen here. Another thing that reddit has a lot of that TRP would do well to keep under control is interpreting uncharitably. Purposefully misinterpreting someone's argument in such a way as to make them look stupid for internet points is beyond lame.

RedPill4LYF · 2014-11-06T17:21:13+00:00

I couldn't agree more with these sentiments, and I know for a fact that discouraging this kind of behavior is exactly the reason I have been able to learn so much from TRP. Snark, sarcasm, and mockery are the tools TBP employs almost exclusively when debating on PPD. I admit, it was a guilty pleasure to go there and to logically defeat blue pill opponents at first, and while that hasn't changed entirely, after a time it became clear most of them are dedicated trolls who just don't want to see anyone make a clear point. I've watched some longer than others, and the amount of boiling hatred in their hearts makes it all the more ironic when they try to tell me I hate women for the gazillionth time.

The main draw to PPD for me was the opportunity to challenge my views. I see the value in rational discourse, and have learned a lot that has strengthened my beliefs as a red piller by hearing what the other side has to say. I'm not afraid to acknowledge reality, and when I debate, I put in real effort. Not so for blue pill trolls. The moment you corner them, every time, they pull these very same passive transparent tactics, anything to avoid giving an honest straightforward answer. The racism and bigotry displayed by TBPers that PPD gives passes on is far too great.

This is why I've taken it upon myself to create an alternative debate sub that should appeal to all sides of the discussion who want to be constructive in their contributions. I should like to think that men who are past the anger phase will see an opportunity to add their valuable insights. Likewise, I believe women who are rational enough to see that men are people will have a lot to offer as well. It is my hope that we can all come together to discuss the issues of today in a calm adult manner that is void of sarcasm, mockery, and snark. This sub is a call to all who want to see an end to legitimate inequality no matter your race, gender, or where you're from, one battle at a time.

I would go ahead and plug my sub here, inviting all who are interested in contributing, but I've got too much respect for TRP to do so without your blessing, fellow red pills and mods.

redpillschool · 2014-11-06T19:01:05+00:00

I'd really appreciate some made-up examples, because I'm not sure whether to agree with you or to reconsider my participation here. Part of what makes the place unique is not punishing people for speaking their minds. Sometimes your mind says "You're an idiot". There's not enough time in the world to logically take down every piece of bullshit. On the other hand, asking people to be more receptive to newcomers and their myriad of mistakes is fine by me.

teeelo · 2014-11-06T16:38:32+00:00

I noticed some of this happens on our other RP subreddits (asktrp for example) when new folks come around and perhaps ask a question prematurely, without lurking and reading enough first. There's gotta be another way of purposefully answering these guys without perpetuating the bad habit of posting without studying.

emptyform · 2014-11-06T15:52:45+00:00

Here's why snark, sarcasm and mocking reflects negatively on you:

By making these kind of comments you are basically telling the other person and/or everybody who listens that the other person is an unreasonable individual, that there is no point trying to talk in a sensible way with him because he is a lost case. You are alienating people in this way, you are declaring that you consider them an enemy and stranger.

First of all, it is a waste. If you really think somebody has so little value that you want to alienate him in this way, why do you even bother communicating with them? There are thousands of strangers around you, if you decide to alienate a person and make him a stranger, what is your interest in spending energy on him?

Some cultures are based around bullying and alienating. Swedish culture is a prime example. People can not bond at all unless they find a common person to alienate. If you refuse to take part in alienating people you will be alienated yourself. Which of course is a far better option than being friends with people like this. In most cultures it is considered a very bad trait for a man to talk behind somebody's back instead of dealing with any issue.

Also it makes no sense. If you think somebody is an idiot or an unreasonable individual and you see no point in trying to deal with it, why would you let them or anybody else know how you feel about them? What do you have to gain from that?

In most internet arguments you can see that it really just is persons taking out their frustrations in life on an easy target, an anonymous stranger. There are so many different compositions of people in this world that you're usually aiming very wrong if you're projecting or assuming things about the other poster.

vandaalen · 2014-11-06T20:43:07+00:00

Snark, sarcasm, and mocking...

I am pretty shure that everybody here enjoys some good old, drily served, to the point sarcasm and black humor, but these are exactly the words I auto-substitute whenever a woman claims for herself that she is "a humorous and funny person".

Thanks for making the point here.

I'd like to add to this, that 4chan-slang also isn't something I would actually call masculine. While I enjoy a little 4chan now and then, this is not the way you should contribute to the discussions here.

It might be confirmation bias, but I've noticed an increase in the use of it lately. I was just waiting for the first question over at /r/asktrp posted as a greentext.

Everything's got it's place somewhere, but that place is not necessarily here.

__var · 2014-11-07T01:15:14+00:00

Is there a way to search for previously stickied posts? If not, can you create an archive of previous stickied posts?

IVIaskerade · 2014-11-06T23:36:25+00:00

One of the few thing that I find is that communication via things like email and forums is perceived as deadpan snark by default. I mean, it's not like we can be particularly expressive when we can't see body language or facial expressions.

Whilst I do think that the amount of snark/quick replies is too high, I'd always be a bit wary of automatically thinking people are being sarcastic.

I mean, the phrase "I totally agree with this person" just sounds like you're mocking them when it's texted.

TRPingBalls · 2014-11-07T03:51:24+00:00

What's this subreddit's stance on satire? For instance, I've written a blog that mocks SJW blogs by imitating their style on a ridiculous subject. Would this be an inappropriate tone to go with for this subreddit?

redpillschool · 2014-11-07T13:09:05+00:00

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questionnmark · 2014-11-06T16:40:57+00:00

Low value participation is a waste of time for everyone. To parrot something I read today 'you're not just talking to a couple of people. You have an audience of potentially thousands of people reading your post'. If you were in a lecture hall with thousands of people present you wouldn't waste time talking about inane BS.

Reddit rewards crap, so it can be a hard habit to break, but I don't think this is the place for it. There are thousands of toilets on reddit for shit, and this place isn't called /r/thewatercloset (Euphemism treadmill lol). It could make for a good November pledge to not post anything low value anywhere for a whole month.

sciencegod · 2014-11-06T20:43:17+00:00

There must be balance in all things- especially the need to get unbalanced every so often.

Also, be careful adding new rules to established systems. As you increase the complexity of any system, you inevitably reduce its reliability. This is true of energy systems and information systems that are made of both implicit and explicit rules.

redpillschool · 2014-11-08T12:44:31+00:00

tbh this is very subjective- how can you enforce fairly...?

AzraelApollyon · 2014-11-06T21:37:23+00:00

Yeah, not happening. I'm sarcastic and an asshole IRL. Language of the passive huh? Perhaps in the circles you travel in, since when is being an outspoken alpha not RP enough?

Endless_Summer · 2014-11-06T18:06:59+00:00

This is just your personal perspective. Sarcasm has nothing to do with being passive. It does correlate with intelligence, so maybe you feel threatened by it and make up this idea of it being an indicator of inferiority. Which it's not, at all.

Also, tone policing is against your own rules, which is what this post is.

2014-11-07T06:24:55+00:00

I always appreciate your input and modding on this sub. Yet again I feel you are shaping this sub in a positive direction. The way to wake people up is not to act like the people they believe of us irrationally, but to reason, to be sincere, and to be firm. Intelligence is almost always the way to go. However witty sarcasm to show a point more clearly is always appreciated.

Title	[Mod] Snark, sarcasm, and mocking...
Author	redpillschool
Upvotes	306
Comments	78
Date	November 6, 2014 3:02 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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