"Want more women in open source? Try paying them." Oh feminists, if you want women to be equal you should probably stop suggesting they require spoon feeding.

G-O · 2011-10-12T02:52:51+00:00

This is a great idea, and in this spirit, I have some others.

Too few men in college? let's pay them to go. Where did all the good men go? How about we pay them to go out with you. Rape culture? Lets pay men not to rape. Domestic violence? Just pay the man. Men experiencing too many work place injuries and deaths? Don't pay them to go to work, pay them not to go to work silly.

Holy_Smoke · 2011-10-12T03:02:00+00:00

Why get a man to do a job for free, when you could just pay a woman to do it!

2011-10-12T05:54:38+00:00

"Want more women in open source?"

Not particularly... I am not opposed to it

masonmason22 · 2011-10-12T04:40:51+00:00

This makes me think about how feminists were complaining about there not being enough female content creators in wikipedia, the reason there aren't is because they haven't chosen to, when it comes to something that is unpaid like that or being part of open source projects, there isn't anything but oneself stopping someone.

2011-10-12T04:34:36+00:00

OMG PAY GAP!!!!

Anathem · 2011-10-12T04:22:45+00:00

I don't give a shit if there are women in FOSS or not. Why would I? Why would anybody? Do women write really mind-blowing code or something?

Since when does software have anything to do with gender?

omdoks · 2011-10-12T05:58:40+00:00

It's pretty telling that men will discriminate against women even when they are anonymous genderless screen names.

nanan00 · 2011-10-12T04:01:51+00:00

I think Feminists miss the point on most topics because they are trying to push an idea so hard that they try to override the original idea.

People do open source because they want the end product to work, not because they want money.

kaolbrec · 2011-10-12T04:59:26+00:00

The entire site feels like a satire, if I'm honest. For instance this comment on another article:

Part of it is that evolutionarily, men were hunters, so they’re not used to paying attention to their environment in the way people are.

I try to keep an open mind, though. From reading a few masculist bloggers I’ve found that something called the “second shift” means that guys at home have to bear the burden of doing extra home maintenance work, chef-ing, and just plain being daddies. So most guys don’t have time to really go in depth to understand, well, important cultural references, and contribute anything substantial. If you look past the shrill, scolding tone of those masculist bloggers, you can really learn something. Just watch out you don’t get your head bitten off.

It's either satire, or hilarious misandry.

KINDAOFANEDIT: Yeah, the whole site is satire. It becomes apparent once you dig into the comments.

ThePigman · 2011-10-12T10:00:16+00:00

Wanting to get paid for volunteer work, if that doesn't tell us something about feminists' feelings of entitlement nothing does.

2011-10-12T14:34:48+00:00

this is so stupid and entitled i can hardly stand it.

Feeling like they don’t belong?

boo hoo. this comes with any territory. i probably would be apprehensive going into teaching or nursing because it is mostly women in those professions besides both being good careers. answer: get over it.

Not having enough time because of other life-work commitments?

as we all know men sit around all day waiting for work. we don't have friends, girlfriends, kids, hobbies or anything else. just work. women fail to understand that sitting around programming is fun for some men. if you don't want to do this work, then you shouldn't and won't be doing open-source. of course men don't need to be paid. that's crazy.

Fewer opportunities for mentoring?

i'm not a master programmer but i taught myself how to program online. just like i taught myself how to build a computer, paint, draw, use a hammer, change my oil and hundreds of other things. if the only way you can learn is by having someone tell you how to do everything you have other problems.

There aren’t many women?

than get off your ass.

railmaniac · 2011-10-12T03:27:02+00:00

That website is apparently blocked at my work. Can someone paste the text of the article in the comments, please?

ExpendableOne · 2011-10-12T03:44:46+00:00

wow.. this is such bullshit.

Think about the challenges women face getting involved with open source projects

Not having enough time because of other life-work commitments?

And the men who take part of open source don't? Does she not think a lot of those guys might not also have kids and families to support of their own? That they don't have to work, go to school or wouldn't prefer to do other things with their time? Does she really think that the effort that these men put into their respected field, or the passion that they have for it, doesn't come at any other costs as well(especially being male; where the expectations to provide and the pressures to disassociate themselves with anything relating to technology are that much stronger)?

Feeling like they don’t belong?

Really? Is society still not bending over backwards enough to cater to women in tech fields? Are there really not enough guys out there who are completely welcoming to, if not even completely endeared by, women who get involved in tech fields. Men, both in or out of the IT industry, pretty much go out of their way to celebrate, sexualize/romanticize(which is - despite all the heterophobia and male vilification - actually a good, natural, benevolent and healthy thing), cherish and respect women in tech fields(even when they some times don't even deserve it); women, on the other hand, generally seem to have no issues belittling, trivializing, insulting, objectifying and abusing men in tech industries without the slightest hint of remorse or guilt. Even on reddit... female posters are considered a valued commodity, while male posters are all declared "losers", "creeps", "pervs", "nerds", "neck-beards", "forever alone", etc(all labels which also generally happen to be used as though justified and part of an acceptable way of life). And, really, when you compare the two, men seem far more welcoming and supporting to women in male dominated fields than women are to men in any other female dominated fields(where the men are routinely labelled as "pussies", "gay", "childish", "unmanly", "weak", "effeminate"; and either sexually demonized or completely ostracized/desexualized).

Fewer opportunities for mentoring?

Again, same point as before but, really, are there really not enough incentives already for women to get into sciences and technology? Really?

There aren’t many women?

At what point are these feminists going to realize that the issue here isn't with men in technology but in both the women who look down on it and the women who feel entitled to it? Women don't take part in the tech industries(including gaming) for the same reasons most of them don't strive to become garbage collectors or janitors; because they see those jobs as beneath them. They see the industry as "meek", "nerdy", "anti-social", "boring" and "unglamorous"(especially for the amount of work they require); nearly all of which driven by a sense of prejudice towards male dominated spaces and misandry towards a destructive perception of masculinity. Why would they ever want to associate themselves with a field they have looked down on their entire lives or that is primarily supported by men they have been taught to respond with in disdain.

Instead of sitting back and complaining that the world of technology isn't doing enough to cater to their every whims(even though it is already doing plenty more than it should); why not ask themselves what they have to contribute to the world of technology? Why not encourage more women to stop looking down on anything tech related and to cherish, cultivate and make use of the passion they might have for technology instead. Encourage women to apply themselves, and support the industry, in the same way men have for the past thirty or so years rather then seeking free incentives for being female or diminishing the work of others for being male.

Whisper · 2011-10-12T06:16:02+00:00

Meanwhile, the article next door suggests that there aren't very many men bloggers because they are too busy with

all the sports and drinking and porn

These people are their own parody.

argv_minus_one · 2011-10-12T14:32:31+00:00

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ttt1776 · 2011-10-12T19:42:56+00:00

So the cure for sexism is to pay one sex for doing something that the sex does not get paid to do? Perfect.

lepuma · 2011-10-12T14:02:27+00:00

Wow. They completely missed the point of 'open source'. This article is so stupid.

TheUsualChaos · 2011-10-12T14:45:33+00:00

This was written in 2009....

ExpendableOne · 2011-10-12T11:59:13+00:00

This is a troll article. The delineation of the issue as "open source" rather than "software engineering" makes it very clear. The author intentionally chose something that is perceived as being free, then demands that women be paid to support said free product. It's fairly obvious to me that this selection of terms was chosen for effect: "trolling MRAs."

e-simonds · 2011-10-12T18:34:26+00:00

are you serious? spoon feeding? women STILL make 75 cents to every mans dollar.

Title	"Want more women in open source? Try paying them." Oh feminists, if you want women to be equal you should probably stop suggesting they require spoon feeding.
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