On the subject of banning trolls & infiltrators

Lumarin · 2010-12-02T00:29:49+00:00

Personally I believe that the manhood101 shit should be banned, as often as possible, it's simply spam.

Being over the top has it's place, but outright insulting people is going too far, people should make reasoned arguments or GTFO.

Throwaway accounts have their places, but trolling people and being a general ass deserves banning if it's a throwaway. If it's someone (non-throwaway) who's just a dick in general and has an opposing view, I believe it'd be far better trying to convince them with facts and then ignoring them with downvotes if they disagree with something that can be proven.

GetLikeMe · 2010-12-02T00:07:41+00:00

I probably shouldn't have ventured onto this forum earlier today, but I thought as a somewhat apathetic woman who has been insulted before, I could handle it.

Then, I was called a "slut" who "probably brought her rape on herself by dressing and acting like a whore," so... yeah, I agree with your post.

2010-12-02T00:01:08+00:00

im with you on this, especially for manhood101

when they are here it actually is full of misogyny

Hamakua · 2010-12-02T01:01:48+00:00

I think, if it's not too much trouble, you should introduce a one warning and then ban policy towards the following:

1) Spammers

2) Those who incite against groups of people without making a proper argument and using inflammatory language. I think it's fine if someone expresses anger towards a group of people using colourful language when they've explained the source of it, but it isn't ok to just go around posting comments that say offensive things purely for the sake of annoying people.

Chandon · 2010-12-02T04:28:58+00:00

Bans don't help anything. There are two basic possibilities:

It's a troll. They can make throwaway accounts and don't care about bans.
It's not a troll. A ban in this case just excludes someone from the discussion, which doesn't help anything.

A ban can't possibly do any good, only harm.

kloo2yoo · 2010-12-02T01:07:33+00:00

Don't ban anyone. Banning people is a slippery slope and before you know it this subreddit will end up like r/anarchy. Those types of posts can be downvoted and our downvotes will demonstrate that this is not a place for misogyny or hate.

SomeBug · 2010-12-02T00:54:53+00:00

If by lately you mean the last day or so... its probably because 4chan /b is in PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI Hell at the moment.

Monop · 2010-12-09T00:44:45+00:00

WOW, I know I'm a bit late to the party but this was linked through another mensrights comment. I can't believe I didn't think of this. I am a female and think there are things that suck about both genders sometimes so not supporting either side. When I first started reading mend rights I thought it was great! So much insight and nice to see men drawing the line on certain things and pointing our flaws in a lot of feminist arguments.

But recently the crap I have been seeing made me put mens right in the crazy people category with extreme feminism.

I am glad I could have been wrong :) hopefully those with valid points will continue posting and outshine the 'tards who troll.

HeloisePommefume · 2010-12-02T01:19:51+00:00

I was interested in debate, and simply disagreed with one post - not with men's rights in general - and was greeted with such vitriol that I'll probably not be posting again. Maybe it's this ridiculous level of outrage that prompts people to try and get your guys' goats. If this forum was a little more rational and a little less emotional you'd have a lot more success having serious discussion and debate.

argv_minus_one · 2010-12-02T01:22:00+00:00

While your at it can ban all nazis, ninjas, spies, beani baby lovers, pirates, and zombies?

pcarvious · 2010-12-02T03:05:13+00:00

The only thing we can do is report this to the mods. There are some legitimate accounts that flip people crap on this subreddit. That happens in every subreddit. Rather than giving in to their baiting though we need to simply make a distinction. This subreddit is good about talking about problems and making suggestions. It's usually level headed.

Shit comments like the ones referenced will drop below the threshold. When arguments citing them pop up they need to be approached in the same manner as we approach all problems.

Gareth321 · 2010-12-02T04:31:19+00:00

We had this discussion less than a month ago, and there's still no consensus on what should constitute a ban-able offense.

fingeron_thetrigger · 2010-12-02T05:48:21+00:00

There is only one good solution: keep downvoting and reporting him.

You have to remain persistent. You have to outlast him/them. He'll get tired eventually and give up. But even if he doesn't or even if other people join him, you will remain unrelenting. You will work harder and last longer. Every one of their trollish comments will be downvoted below threshold without exception. And you will do this until people respect you for your beliefs or you will die trying. That, MensRights, that is what you will do.

rwan · 2010-12-03T00:58:55+00:00

One of the difficulties with a mensrights subreddit is that it brings all kinds of opinions out of the woodwork.

Perhaps it is correct that all the trolling is being done by feminists, but I actually find this somewhat hard to believe. It seems equally likely that there are some people out there who really are furious at women and see this as a forum where their "fucking bitch cunt whores" speech might get some sympathy. And, every now and then they are correct, and these sorts of comments do get upvoted--perhaps not by regular users, but by other lurkers with similar predilections.

This is not to say the mensrights movement is misogynistic, or that the majority of people who care about it are misogynistic. However, there is some very extreme faction of misogynists who are going to find it very appealing.

The problem, and the beauty, of reddit is that anyone can join and participate. This means banning is basically useless--you can ban trolls, but all they need to do is make a new account. (Similarly, this reminds me of the post a few days ago about how mensrights needs to prevent women from being vocal in the subreddit...how would that possibly be accomplished?)

People who are looking for a misogynistic comment on mensrights to show the subreddit is misogynistic will not have trouble doing so. However, even twenty highly upvoted misogynistic comments do not prove that there is not important information and debate here, even if there are also misogynistic trends at times.

I don't think it's possible to avoid these misogynistic comments. It's just a question of what other things are getting linked.

MariaAntonia · 2010-12-02T08:03:13+00:00

I read that http://theantifeminist.com was banned from reddit, and I think a few more of high profile blog owners or famous men's right blog owners. http://theantifeminist.com/banned-banned-banned/

Don't you think that such policing goes overboard?

While the entire press and law enforcement are misandrist, do you really think that alleged misogynists should be banned? I mean people who put up real arguments but maybe use strong language?

First time I read manhood101 I found he had pretty clever arguments. Just the massive repetition of the same argument for the sake of advertising his own stuff goes overboard.

PS: I am just making one point. I understand that trolls are a problem and might need to be dealt with.

I am talking about real substantial mens rights activists who get kicked out of reddit mens rights.

argv_minus_one · 2010-12-02T05:26:50+00:00

As a real troll without a throwaway account, please allow me to say fuck you, you fucking bitch cunt whores!

kloo2yoo · 2010-12-02T05:05:39+00:00

I think it's this kind of stuff that hurts your group the most:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e3s2i/a_female_university_of_delaware_student_reported/c1539ns

11 upvotes? Really?

TheEnlightener · 2010-12-02T12:26:24+00:00

Something is wrong when a R/MR thread has...

7 uses of "misogyny" or "misogynist"

and only

1 use of "misandry" or "misandrist"

I think I'm a bit more concerned about all-encompassing misandry than what we label misogyny today. We can define this "misogyny" not as hatred of women but instead as just being honest about women and refusing to pedestalize them.

Use of the term "misogyny" is just shaming language. Few people out there genuinely hate women.

Misandry, on the other hand, is everywhere.

If you are an advocate for men's rights, you are a misogynist in the eyes of the world. Embrace it, for there is no shame in it.

You might read an old Spearhead post from last October, We Are All Misogynists Now

Title	On the subject of banning trolls & infiltrators
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Upvotes	34
Comments	75
Date	December 1, 2010 11:36 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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