What do you view of the argument "Women are killed, harassed and stalked by men because they said "No" to them"?

azazelcrowley · 2019-12-29T10:29:27+00:00

There's women who do this to men too. The differing factor is that women ask men out less. Furthermore, all men are pressured into initiating while not all women are.

The socially inept and/or creepy women can afford to wait for a man to approach them and don't become the "I stalked you because I don't know social boundaries/Because i'm a psycho" but instead "I threatened to kill myself/hit you because you tried to leave me after I snapped you up".

Whereas inept/creepy men can't do that and are forced into initiation, therefore they go around creeping on multiple women instead of just one who they immediately partner with when they approach. The stress of this situation coupled with forcing unstable men into courtship leads to the aforementioned violence from the creepers (And, sexual harassment from the inept).

On issues of violence specifically, Narcissistic women are "sated" in that they sit there receiving attention and validation. Narcissistic men get repeated rejection and invalidation, and eventually turn to violence as narcissists sometimes do.

The disparity is rooted in womens lack of initiation and on the pressure for men to initiate, not in some violent tendency toward women which we can demonstrate repeatedly in other areas is simply lacking in our society and does not exist anywhere except in the fever dreams of feminists.

Fixing this disparity would shift the narcissistic men into just standing there looking pretty and receiving validation. It would lower the instances of violence for rejection, but probably increase the amount of violence for trying to leave the person, much like womens slighter edge in terms of initiation domestic violence situations.

hugemongus123 · 2019-12-29T11:55:54+00:00

Its dumb and hyperbolic, men have a much higher risk of being subject to violence yet we dont have an existensial crises about it. Its not like it makes it any better because I was attacked by the same gender.

Strikester101 · 2019-12-29T07:20:06+00:00

Its nothing but a talking point really. The actual stats on this shows it really doesn't happen as often as women on reddit make it out to be.

Dublin_M4ledom · 2019-12-29T17:45:24+00:00

Just rephrase the same question with a single word change: "What do you view of the argument "Women are killed, harassed and stalked by blacks because they said "No" to them"?"

See how it's easy to spot the immoral prejudice there?

Let's go again:

"What do you view of the argument "Women are killed, harassed and stalked by Muslims because they said "No" to them"? "

With just a single word change, the inherent bigotry of the statement is clearly visible.

Nobody chooses to be born black or raised in Islam from birth. Therefore we instinctively understand that it's evil to link their blackness or religious beliefs to a violent crime.

Likewise, nobody chooses to be born male. But somehow many of us are blind to the inherent evil of linking the violent crime to the individual's sex.

Forgetaboutthelonely · 2019-12-29T17:09:59+00:00

men are attacked, publically humiliated, harassed, accused of being rapists and creeps, and on occasion killed for asking women out.

and if we don't. we stay alone. pressures on us. and we have to willingly put ourselves through this if we want to not be alone.

ShawshankRetention · 2019-12-29T14:44:19+00:00

I never had any frustration with a woman saying no and clearly stating her boundaries and am still in friendly term with women who rejected.

On the other hand, ghosting, elusive answer and low signals are a pain in the ass and have caused many bad relationships.

I think this mentality is counterproductive and will generate more bad feeling than it hope to alleviate.

Not stating what you want is the worst advice ever you could give to women.

liztu_june · 2020-01-01T10:18:14+00:00

It happen, rarely. To me it makes as much sense as being worried that a black person might attack you.

Dublin_M4ledom · 2019-12-29T13:54:20+00:00

Men are extremely variable, when benchmarked against women. We get many more genetic diseases and we also have higher rates of mental illness.

Two of the mental illnesses that men are comparatively more genetically predisposed to is poor impulse control. Another is inappropriate hostility.

The big lie smuggled into the feminist argument is that men are prone to these diseases because of "societal conditioning"

Wrong. Societal conditions don't play much of a role. The driver of these unfortunate phenomena is genetics. Not epigenetics, but the stuff that is already predetermined in the sperm and the egg, before they even unite.

Feminists deny the science and pretend that men with genetic diseases suffer those symptoms purely because society is egging them on. They deny the science that categorically proves that these men are like this because of an unhappy combination of genes. Feminists hate science because it undermines their ability to blame society for things well outside society's sphere of influence.

Tmomp · 2019-12-29T13:28:49+00:00

Maybe ask Brian Banks or Rolling Stone.

antilopes · 2020-01-01T23:03:04+00:00

This is a hopeless place to ask this question. Men have at the very best only second hand information, and even for that we have a very great deal less second hand info than women have.

The "argument" is about the fact women sometimes do not feel comfortable or safe giving a clear "no", so lie to give a soft or delayed "no". It is argued that this is heartless etc to men because the women are not actually scared just mildly embarrassed, and they should toughen up and act responsibly.

Others are indignant about women having the effrontery to make their own decisions about safety, regardless of this leading to hurt feelings among the kind of men who don't respect women's right to make their own decisions about safety.

Men have been harassed and stalked and had their reputation attacked with lies after turning down women. I don't recall hearing of it IRL, which might just mean it didn't register as scary enough to remember.

OTOH, many women can tell their own stories of men getting scary or abusive when given not exactly the right flavour of "no", and they know their friends' stories too. Which is not the case with most men.

LeftNatTay · 2020-01-21T19:27:28+00:00

It's certainly overplayed

What do you view of the argument "Women are killed, harassed and stalked by men because they said "No" to them"?

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Title	What do you view of the argument "Women are killed, harassed and stalked by men because they said "No" to them"?
Author	Strikester101
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Date	December 29, 2019 5:03 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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