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Florida Signs new Fatherhood Rights Bill

jinladen040

April 12, 2022
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https://thehill.com/news/3264419-desantis-signs-law-that-supports-involved-fatherhood-in-florida/
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Title Florida Signs new Fatherhood Rights Bill
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jinladen040

Upvotes 267
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Date April 12, 2022 12:40 PM UTC
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[–]jinladen040[S] 108 points109 points110 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Florida Governor DeSantis Signed into Law HB 7065, a $70 million initiative, will provide resources for educational and mentorship programs to help children, fathers and families in the state through the Department of Juvenile Justice (DJJ) and the Department of Children and Families (DCF).

DJJ will create a mentorship program to help at-risk youth through the new initiative, hosting various programs such as barbershop talks and fatherhood classes.

DCF will also launch a statewide campaign to raise awareness around the importance of fatherhood, supporting nonprofit organizations to help fathers stay engaged and connect with their children, along with case managers and resources to assist fathers looking for employment opportunities.

[–]hehimCA 77 points78 points79 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s great to actually see some legislation aimed at helping men and boys!! Wow.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you can thank Warren Farrell for that. He made that happen by sharing his latest book "the boy crisis" with politicians in Florida (DeSantis himself, iirc) and consulted them all the way.

[–]wrekd 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't believe it actually will help men. The money will be stolen by overpaid staffers with no real job. Just like every other government/charity abuse scheme. See how the NY Lt Gov was indicted? Different scheme, same fucking game. People's tax money being tossed around and mismanaged. Promises and back scratches while pretending to care.

[–]FastFourierTerraform 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the only outcome I'm seeing is spending money to "spread awareness" of the importance of fatherhood. Sounds like nonprofit grift to me

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 61 points62 points63 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

This is not a fatherhood bill. This is a bill to make mentoring available to young men. While this is a good idea, keeping the biological father in the child's life is more important.

Support equal 50/50 shared parenting by contacting DeSantis office and tell him to sign the new custody and alimony law that is headed for his desk after it passed the state Senate and legislature.

Change dot org petition

And call Governor DeSantis office. They just ask for your name and phone number. There is a 10-20 minute hold time.They want to hear our stories and I don't think you need to be a Florida resident. I told them about raising my son successfully from age 9 months who is now 25. They wrote it down.

Call Gov DeSantis: (850)488-7146 Encourage him to sign bill SB1796 and HB1395 into law.

Or email DeSantis at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

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HB1395:

Dissolution of Marriage; Revises various provisions relating to dissolution of marriage & alimony; creates presumption that equal time-sharing is in best interests of minor child*; creates presumption for purposes of modifying parenting plan or time-sharing schedule; authorizes separate adjudication of issues in dissolution of marriage under certain circumstances; provides for temporary orders to protect parties & their children.*

[–]iddco 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can't keep them connected to their bio-fathers. We need them to prove we are tough on crime or recruit them into the State Militia. s/

here is another side of this too. By limiting things like birth control and abortion they are putting more men on the hook for children that many did not want and the State will not pay for. While I agree mentor programs are great, support and education for fathers are fantastic. As you point out giving them 50/50 would be better. However, this is really not about empowering fathers it's about a public image and incrimination. This does not fix anything just places more kids within the system for them to control.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's about putting a finger in the dyke of familial dysfunction with a 40% single mother rate and crime off the charts and boys floundering in an educational system that finds them failed girls.

Get these single mothers men that will volenteer so she doesn't have to deal with the father of her children. Enabling the alienation of these boys.

Fathers bring a lot to the table. Many can't be replaced by temporary mentors.

My 25 year old son listens to everything I say. My approval is very important to him and I don't approve of stuff that's bad for him. It's like having a tiller on a sailboat.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Important perspective that i didn't have on the radar. Thanks for bringing it to my awareness.

[–]iddco 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% agree that bringing bio father's to the table should be the focus. Also agree mentors are not a bad thing. Especially if we could get mentors for fathers too. It shouldn't matter if the kids are in single parent homes or not. Some kids have two parents who are just never around. While there is a increase in crime we are still in a historic low and way off of where we were in the 80-90s. It's also not an cause of single mothers directly. As far as boys and school, again not a mother's only issue. Schools are not funded well, kids are not tested for learning disabilities until after issues. Forget the standardized testing and start testing and accommodating ld's from an earlier age. Have more male teachers from k-5. But you can't find them many times and often parents are uncomfortable with it. They will have the same issue finding mentors for these programs. Big brother big sister has for years. Not because there are a ton of pedophiles looking to groom kids but because people are afraid to be accused of being one by adults. Being this is in Florida I'm going to guess and say LGBT members will be ineligible to be a mentor even for a LGBT kid. I'd love to think this was a start to greater things but their track record shows it's a publicity stunt. It's not even a finger in the dyke. It's scotch tape over the hole. It's so they can say they are pro family without actually being. You want to help father's? Great, give them 50/50. Make it harder for women to weaponize the kids, stop incarcerating fathers for late payments, let the renegotiate easily child support when financial changes occur, empower then to be involved, not replace them. Even schools will call mothers first even if father is listed as the contact. They prefer mother's to chaperone and discourage or replace fathers who volunteer. It's the whole society that needs to change and this bill doesn't come close to even starting the dialogue in the greater society

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let’s hope NOW doesn’t sabotage it like they did before.

[–]throwaway20210821 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guess who he did end up listening to: https://floridaphoenix.com/2022/03/18/first-wives-urge-desantis-to-veto-reform-that-lets-wealthy-exes-undo-alimony-pledges/

[–]Abigale_Munroe 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent!

[–]PFfounder 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

YES

[–]turbulance4 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This feels to me like a political move to get eyes off the 50/50 bill. I'm scared of it. Seems like it gives DeSantis the political coverage to possibly veto the 50/50 bill.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Let’s hope not.

[–]turbulance4 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I called it... Sad times

[–]Godzilla2524 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Is Desantis good for men's rights as a whole? Just want to know so I don't start viewing him as such if this just so happens to be a one off outlier.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Difficult to tell. He has no history for advocating for men's issues, but he also doesn't have a history of man hating.

[–]dingoperson2 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In this reality, anyone who doesn't have a history of man-hating is man-friendly.

When the collective five-minute hate starts, staying silent is pretty much the only way to oppose it.

Like when I look for live streamers. If they mention nothing about pro- or con wokeness anywhere, I watch them, and inevitably and always hints slip through that they are not a fan of it.

[–]CODDE117 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You can bet that any good he does is incidental, usually part of an agenda for reelection or running for President.

That's not to say we can't celebrate something good, like this.

[–]DirtyPartyMan 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would apply this to 90% of any political candidate either running or already seated

[–]chocolatecows88 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think 90% is low lol

[–]CODDE117 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep

[–]ThePickleOfJustice 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

DeSantis is good for whatever he thinks is good for DeSantis. He doesn't have a principled bone in his body. He's a mini, wannabe Trump.

However, even a blind pig finds and acorn every once in a while.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great news! Tip my hat to DeSantis & Florida 👍

[–]Rvtrance 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a win for everyone I’m sure!

[–]shit-zen-giggles 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you Warren Farrell

Thank you Florida State Legislature

Thank you Govenor DeSantis

Halleluja

Edit: I know that many commenters here are aprehensive or jaded or simply careful about being overly optimistic. But I would like to point out that this is the first time that policy has been enacted that was directly and primarily developed by an MRA. That is a monumental shift.

[–]throwaway20210821 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit: I know that many commenters here are aprehensive or jaded or simply careful about being overly optimistic. But I would like to point out that this is the first time that policy has been enacted that was directly and primarily developed by an MRA. That is a monumental shift.

I really hope nobody here falls for this kind of lip service about 'masculinity' and 'fathers' again.

Those that fear monger about transwomen in women's sports and bathrooms and fear monger about vaccines and vaccine mandates (republican representative Chip Roy and aspiring politician&src=typed_query) Justin Waters being other examples) have a repeated track record of this.

[–]Normal-Yogurtcloset5[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The “I don’t need no man” feminists are going to hate this!

[–]matrixislife 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well bloody hell. I'm impressed, someone actually putting money into the cause. It's not an end result, but it's a hell of a good start.

[–]Billy-Batdorf 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The way he talks about it delusional. Adding support programs to kids he puts in jail and divorce - but no legal rights for fathers in divorce or legal rights for boys in those jails. So basically just rewarding the current system.

[–]bat_in_the_stacks -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

They need someone to take care of all the unwanted pregnancies after his abortion restrictions.

[–]jinladen040[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

There's plenty of Couples that are unable to have their own Children who would be more than happy to adopt.

In this country we have 113 abortions to every adoption referral. We have an abortion every 37 seconds, 2300 abortions a day, 6824 abortions a week, and over 354,000 abortions annually.

Frankly, anything we can do to lower the number of abortions in this country is a great thing. Because Abortions have killed over 19 million black babies since such stats were recorded.

Abortions have marginalized black people more than any other factory. More babies have been killed from abortions in this country than all of the soldiers who have died in all wars since World War One.

[–]iddco 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

There are over 150,000 kids in this country waiting to be adopted. There are plenty to go around. Clinics don't just do abortions, many provide access to birth control and health care. All of which are being shut down too. The social services are grossly underfunded as is education. People claim to want to stop abortions to protect kids but don't want to do shit with them when they are here. Or help prevent the pregnancies, to begin with. Forcing people to have children would marginalize people far more. Also, Whites and blacks have abortions at around the same amount currently (historically since 65 whites are at around 28 mil) why does it only marginalize one side? They are also not babies, they are fetuses who would not survive outside of the womb, to begin with. We are also a country with one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the westernized world because we can't get our shit together and provide decent care across the board.

Here is a breakdown of race and abortion rates based on the CDC data Race and abortions It also looks like in Florida, it is more whites having abortions.

[–]sumfacilispuella 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

really high maternal mortality, with the highest being black women by a long shot

[–]iddco 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, yes. Mainly due to lack of access to healthcare before and after a pregnancy. No prenatal care. Overall sad. We don't take care of what we have and then complain when we don't have a utopia

[–]jinladen040[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of Couples just want to adopt infant babies in order to raise as their own, the younger the infant, the more desirable which is exactly why we do have an issue with older children having trouble getting homes. Which i wholeheartedly agree is just as unfortunate. We should be advocating for older children and teen adoption as well and i fully support and advocate for such adoptions as well.

But Adoption alone could take care of the vast majority of these abortions being performed. With Education, Prevention, Contraception and Adoption, we could very seriously drastically reduce the number of abortions in this country. Abortions should only be used as a very last resort but they arent. And while these Clinics do certainly perform other services, the vast majority of their procedures are Abortions. Most Women seeking genuine PreNatal care arent going to Planned Parenthood or similar Clinics.

Planned Parenthood for example alone makes up 40% of abortions in this country. 96.9% of all Planned Parenthood Clients get Abortions. Only 2.4% of Clients get PreNatal Care from Planned Parenthood. They even fired their leading President Physician Dr. Wen for supposedly focusing too much on healthcare and not abortions. Abortions are also the most expensive service they offer so from a profit standpoint, Abortions bring in the most money.

While Whites and Blacks do on average get the same number of Abortions annually, what you're forgetting is that Blacks only make up 13% of the population, therefore while getting an equal number of abortions, it's a disproportionately high percentage compared to whites.

To me, its a moral and ethical issue. Whatever you want to call them in the Womb, they are life and they are precious so in my eyes they are babies because that's what they will grow into regardless. And increasingly in many states, Alaska, Colorado, California, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, New York and DC, Abortions are completely legal up until the moment of Birth. And such babies have absolutely no protections or rights while inside the womb.

However you want to look at it. These babies are being killed without a choice and without a voice. And keep in mind, these numbers i presented are only from Planned Parenthood who only makes up 40% of abortions, so in reality, double the number of abortions are roughly being performed yearly. We only get Planned Parenthood stats because of Laws requiring Transparency due to their Tax Payer Funding.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/planned-parenthood-abortion-4-percent-services-false/

https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/planned-parenthood-sets-new-record-abortions-single-year

[–]amscraylane 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You read vertically and not laterally.

You will never end abortion, just safe abortion.

This is not an issue of race, but an issue of class because the wealthy will always be able to afford it.

[–]iddco 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You will never end abortion via adoption. Up to 5% adoption fails. Many in the system are abused. The social service system is underfunded, understaffed, and unable, currently, to deal with what we have. You want to add to it and not add support. You are looking for a disaster. Until we help the people we have and minimize the need for the option for many people the numbers won't go down. In fact they will only go up the more people try to restrict it. Abortion rates on the country fell asleep once row v wade. Restriction will not stop and in fact probably increase the numbers and mortality rates.

[–]amscraylane 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are 400,000 kids in foster care in the US, and 117,000 actively seeking adoption for all of those couples happy to adopt.

From what I can find, 20,000 of them go unadopted each year.

One way to stop abortion is birth control, but all the planned parenthoods around have closed.

[–]bat_in_the_stacks 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bringing race into this is an absurd distraction. You're making it sound like they're forced abortions.

[–]jinladen040[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The results of these abortions are marginalizing Black People and Minorites. I didn't make it sound like anything, just presented the facts and the result.

[–]okfornothing -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The whole system is designed to be adversarial, picking winners and losers and visitors in children's lives. What a fucking joke. I wouldn't even call this a bandaid.

[–]Yung4Yrs 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it beats giving another 10 mil to the Deadbeat Dads division.

[–]B1G_Fan -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

YAWN

Incentives matter

Until the incentives for “manning up” are increased, this is just a bandaid solution

[–]Frank_Bianco 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks more like a big brothers initiative. Men don't need to be incentivised to care for their kids, they need to be not punished for having them.

[–]throwaway20210821 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

His claim to help fatherhood was mostly rhetoric and vague talk of encouraging fathers: https://flgov.com/2022/04/11/governor-ron-desantis-signs-groundbreaking-legislation-to-support-involved-fatherhood-in-florida/

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He vetoed a bill that would have allowed more equal alimony and child custody for fathers: https://floridaphoenix.com/2022/06/24/fl-governor-vetoes-alimony-overhaul-marking-its-third-failure-in-a-decade-of-reform-efforts/#:~:text=By%3A%20Laura%20Cassels%20%2D%20June%2024%2C%202022%206%3A18%20pm&text=Republican%20Gov.%20Ron%20DeSantis%20on,Florida%20Bar%2C%20and%20other%20critics

After listening to special interest group "First Wives": https://floridaphoenix.com/2022/03/18/first-wives-urge-desantis-to-veto-reform-that-lets-wealthy-exes-undo-alimony-pledges/

His real concerns are about addressing cultural 'woke' concerns (which is pretty much all his career in politics is centered around https://archive.ph/2lNnI):

"And I can tell you, they do not want this woke garbage in our society. They don’t want women to be denied the opportunity to participate in sports."

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/04/22/desantis-bill-to-end-disney-autonomy-a-rejection-of-woke-garbage-in-our-society/

and standard conservative religious right concerns about abortion

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/gov-ron-desantis-on-supreme-court-abortion-ruling-prayers-of-millions-have-been-answered

Start checking actual policy, not falling for rhetoric. Republicans largely never cared about men's rights and do everything they can to push men into subservient tradcon roles they have in mind for them. Them caring about truly helping men's rights? Not in the 1980s. Not now. They've pretty much proved they'll never change. This doesn't mean democrats are any better, but at least democrats aren't going around paying lip service to men's rights and then going and doing things like this.

But hey, if you want, keep voting republican out of wanting to hear nice considerate talk, complaints about woke and fearmongering about vaccines (which even Trump doesn't support, considering how he came out with the "operation warp speed" program to deliver vaccines and was booed by his own far right supporters).

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