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Matt Damon: 'one thing' not being talked about is men who aren't predators | Film

sebastienne

December 19, 2017
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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/18/matt-damon-sexual-harassment-weinstein-response-minnie-driver?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=257180&subid=13712742&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
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Title Matt Damon: 'one thing' not being talked about is men who aren't predators | Film
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sebastienne

Upvotes 648
Comments 60
Date December 19, 2017 2:55 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7ktq7s/matt_damon_one_thing_not_being_talked_about_is/
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[–]BlockNotDo 139 points140 points141 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Matt Damon fixin' to be outed as a sexual harasser by some chick who misinterpreted something harmless he did 25 years ago.

[–]polakfury 45 points46 points47 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Telling the truth will get you killed in the future

[–]TheMasterChiefs 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was the ultimate inevitability. Jealous vengeful women abusing their rights to bring down people and diminish the protests of women who ACTUALLY experienced abuse.

[–]abacabbmk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hes gettin ripped up now.

[–]Nergaal 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, his ex:

“There is no hierarchy of abuse – that if a woman is raped [it] is much worse than if woman has a penis exposed to her that she didn’t want or ask for,” she said. “You cannot tell those women that one is supposed to feel worse than the other. And it certainly can’t be prescribed by a man. The idea of tone deafness is the idea there [is] no equivalency.”

[–]higzmage54 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

From one of the most excellent blogs on the internet:

As usual with gender issues, this can be best explained through a story from ancient Chinese military history.

Chen Sheng was an officer serving the Qin Dynasty, famous for their draconian punishments. He was supposed to lead his army to a rendezvous point, but he got delayed by heavy rains and it became clear he was going to arrive late. The way I always hear the story told is this:

Chen turns to his friend Wu Guang and asks “What’s the penalty for being late?”

“Death,” says Wu.

“And what’s the penalty for rebellion?”

“Death,” says Wu.

“Well then…” says Chen Sheng.

And thus began the famous Dazexiang Uprising, which caused thousands of deaths and helped usher in a period of instability and chaos that resulted in the fall of the Qin Dynasty three years later.

If you equivocate the entire spectrum from catcalling to violent rape as deserving the same penalty, there will be people who make the above calculation, and that's not a good outcome for anyone.

[–]Aatch 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Look at the crime of killing somebody. With some important exceptions, if an action you took resulted in someone's death, we take that very seriously. However not all situations are considered equal.

We have different degrees of murder, and different subtypes. Recognizing that "causing a death" is a complex issue. Should a drunk driver that killed somebody be treated the same as an unrepentant serial killer? No, of course not.

We actually do this for most crimes. How severe theft is punished is determined by the value of the items stolen. You get punished worse if you hurt someone a lot, compared to a little. If anything we need more stratification for sexual crimes, not less.

[–]beefdx -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Small addition is that most punishments are intended to be taken on account of the likelihood of a relapse of behavior.

If someone kidnaps, tortures, and repeatedly rapes someone, there's a good chance that they would do it again.

If someone gets drunks at a party, starts fooling around with a girl, and she passes out behind a dumpster, that person may have fucked up, but they're probably not likely to go around raping people.

In this way punishment is a deep analysis of individuals with the desired intention of mitigating risk involved in having that person in society at all.

[–]TheAngryBird03 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Nice story

[–]scyth3s 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Idk if you're being sarcastic but it seems relevant to me.

[–]TheAngryBird03 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't, it was a nice story

[–]scyth3s 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Proper form to incubate as such is the no sarcasm s, /s, which instantly clears things up! /s

[+][deleted] 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]scyth3s 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/s= sarcasm, correct.

[–]bad_news_everybody 51 points52 points53 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there is no hierarchy of abuse, I guarantee what will happen is people will stop giving a shit.

"She got raped? Well I got cat-called and no one gave a shit, why should I care about her?"

His ex thinks she's gonna make harassment more serious, but she's actually going to make assault less serious, in the eye of everyone except the courts, and I never thought I'd be looking to the legislation as the voice of reason and sanity on this topic.

[–]OmniINTJ 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is that the same woman who made the "I'm fucking Matt Damon" video?

[–]Nergaal 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no

[–]PM_me_ur_swimsuit 76 points77 points78 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

You know what would be nice? If all the #metoo celebrities could start #coolguy(or something similar since I'm shit with hash tags) to point out all the men they've worked who have been decent to them. Currently they're pointing out all these terrible monsters out there, which is great, but without a counterpoint it's just going to paint all the men in the industry as predators in waiting.

[–][deleted] 106 points107 points108 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That would not generate catharsis for upper middle class college educated white women so feminism has no interest in doing it.

[–]Halafax 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not lack of catharsis, it’s the lack of fear. They need a bogeyman behind every rock to justify their privilege. They currently have all systems wrapped around them, they’re trying to maintain their advantage.

[–]ZyxStx 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also it would be spammy, since there are probably dozens of decent people who treated them right, against the one dude who catcalled them

[–]M60P 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They also have no interest in #metoo (false rape)

[–]serial_crusher 35 points36 points37 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not a big fan of "good men" being treated as something exceptional instead of the norm. "Wow, thanks for not raping me, dude" can get pretty patronizing.

Calling out a cool person who actually does something substantial and cool? That's a good thing, but also happens pretty frequently.

[–]Onion_Guy 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Not raping is, like, the absolute bare minimum of being a decent human being. nobody needs to talk about non-rapists, but it would be good to see a culture shift toward appreciation of anyone who refuses to be a bystander/helps out in general.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

metoo celebrities are predators claiming victimhood, everything they've done is for themselves. That would never happen, to keep the ball rolling on a movement dedicated to their own ego it has to vilify all men.

[–]Shippoyasha 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But didn't you hear? They are going to dress all in black for righteous protest! /s

[–]bastion72 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, what? Is that the new pussy hat?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

like all lives matter?

[–]cardboardbob99 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think alternatively we could start a sarcastic #YouToo?! to poke fun at how out of hand this is getting

[–]bastion72 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the new twitter rules will get you banned pretty quickly.

[–]akamustacherides 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They won't do that because in their minds all men are potential sex offenders given the opportunity.

[–]CountVonVague 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If all the #metoo celebrities could start #coolguy(or something similar since I'm shit with hash tags)

If they did honestly imo it would like like someone trying to say sorry after they've berated and hit you for 10 minutes before realizing you weren't the source of the problem at hand. A "coolguy" tag would just be too little too late. It would feel both forced and untrue, a bit of propaganda meant as an apology movement for calling all men potentially terrible people. Nah, fuck'em.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's more like they're asking all the good men to apologize for themselves and work harder at calling the bad men out.

Men are still useful tools to be disposed of or junked when they break to these people.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

We do not talk about the male laborers who sacrifice their time and health to keep this civilized world running either. Think waste disposal, running water, electricity, internet and so on.

No, all we hear about is how there are too many (white) male CEOs and politicians and how (white) men stole all their achievements from women and minorities.

This is feminism we are talking about. Men have no place in that ideology except as targets for demands and pure hatred. Hell, just look at how many articles feminists write about how awful male feminists are!

[–]bastion72 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like all the "women in STEM" equality issue. How about suicide gap? We need to bring the number up in women's demographic. /s

[+][deleted] -22 points-21 points-20 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Boo hoo

[–]cheeserap 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Amen Matt. I always tell my wife about all the women I don't hit on, and all the ladies who I turn down....

[+][deleted] -18 points-17 points-16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you have afedora by any chance

[–]cheeserap 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately not, but my beard does naturally grow on my neck better than my face....

[–]IronJohnMRA 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you, Matt Damon. You said the words everyone needed to hear.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By everyone you mean...

[–]HugeMongo14 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm a little confused with the OP. His submission is right for the sub, but he is being an asshole to people positively commenting on it.

[–]KOMRADE_DIMITRI 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's a filthy Karma farmer

[–]Fermit 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Their post history is weirdly varied too. My guess is that it's a person who wants karma so much that they just post in subs without actually giving a shit about the sub's climate, but honestly I have no idea. That's a weird account.

[–]archusername 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not even a men's rights guy. I'm just here because I read about the mad reaction to Matt Damon's seemingly innocuous opinions and this sub had the latest post on it. I'm a feminist - or at least I thought I was. I've always been someone who tried not to differentiate or divide humans up by gender but to treat everyone with the same level of agency. I don't want to be in a fight with women. But now it seems I'm in one whether I like it or not. Now it seems I have to 'pick a side'. I'm either a cuck or a rapist stormtrooper of the patriarchy. I don't know why we can't all just get along but I tell you this - if women really, SERIOUSLY want there to be a gender war, there's no way it's going to end well for their 'side'. Making men into the enemy is fucking dumb and will not lead anywhere good.

[–]nmbrod 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's beyond parody, what is their actual problem with him? That he has commented on a scandal more than 2 months after it broke - when asked about it in an interview. Two months ago the media was calling men out for their silence, now its chastising them for speaking out.

Life changes as a parent, when you have a daughter who is going to be vulnerable to all sorts of harassment. Citing that when talking about sexual harassment is apparently wrong. What the actual fuck are men supposed to do. I tried to understand what was happening by talking to the women in my life, to see what their experiences were to get a greater idea from their perspective. That's how we begin to understand others, by imagining being in their shoes as you learn their experiences and emotions. Now this is seen as bad?

What are men supposed to do in reaction to this? The ownership of this scandal has become ridiculous.

[+][deleted] -17 points-16 points-15 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Concern trolling

[–]archusername 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't even know what that means. Like I said, I'm not from here. Does it mean cuck or red pill or whatever the phrase is?

[–]CountVonVague 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't even know why the OP said that, what you stated is pretty much the truth. While I'd say "What, you thought feminists believed in equal agency?? HAHA!" it's absolutely true that if women/feminists wants to start a sex-war it's NOT going to go well for them

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it does you fuckboi

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea that seeing a penis is as bad as being raped by said penis is ridiculous. The person they referred to said that it is unfair and discounts the experience of the woman being exposed to if you say it isn’t as bad as being raped. Bullshit. Claiming that having to see an unwanted penis is as bad as being forcibly raped is trivializing the experience of the woman forcibly raped, a much more heaneous crime.

Both are bad. One is far far worse. Those are the claims of a woman who wants to jump on the bandwagon and have an excuse to act like she is at the front of the victim line. Woman can be horrible I know. But to trivialize someone forcible rape because they want attention or are feeling competitive to not be left off the harassment train is fucking ludicrous.

[–]issan1mountain 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[–]corpseflower 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

......Thanks for sharing

[–]fattymcpiggerson 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Check out this interview where Edward furlong jokes about how Arnold molested him https://youtu.be/OgivaLJZaFw

[–]CenterSitter 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would say, that I bet the percentage of men that are sexual predators. Is about the same or close to the percentage of women who lie about being sexually assaulted.

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Real scientific bro

[–]CenterSitter 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

how did you mistake my comment for fact? OK try to follow me bro.

spec·u·la·tion ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/Submit noun 1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. "there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit" 2. investment in stocks, property, or other ventures in the hope of gain but with the risk of loss. "the company's move into property speculation"

Nevermind I Googled it for you bro.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He's pretty much begging for a false accusation at this point.

[–]fattymcpiggerson 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He and russel Crowe buried a Weinstein story in 2004 and got totally caught, so yeah he's definitely begging for something.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That Minnie Driver side note giving an opposing side of the issue is refreshing, but some I don't recall seeing a similar note when the article is about a woman denigrating men.

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