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Unprovoked 'one punch' attacks are now subject to harsh penalties in Australia unless the perpetrator is a woman in which case she gets off with a small fine as usual.

rbrockway

February 3, 2019
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http://www.australianewsly.com/2019/02/01/a-man-would-have-been-sent-to-jail
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Title Unprovoked 'one punch' attacks are now subject to harsh penalties in Australia unless the perpetrator is a woman in which case she gets off with a small fine as usual.
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rbrockway

Upvotes 3441
Comments 100
Date February 3, 2019 12:38 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/amp7nc/unprovoked_one_punch_attacks_are_now_subject_to/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/unprovoked-one-punch-attacks-are-now-subject-to.1181917
https://theredarchive.com/post/1181917
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Comments

[–]rforest3 396 points397 points398 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Alcohol is such a bullshit excuse. I have heard the double standard excuse of alcohol way too many times. He is absolutely right. Had he been drunk and hit a woman he would have been in deep shit and "alcohol isn't an excuse" would have been used.

[–]T1redOfSleep 110 points111 points112 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Had he done anything while drunk, he would be held fully accountable. But if women do anything while drunk, they are free of all accountability except for the crime of letting themselves get drunk. A perversion of justice.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]antilopes 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

That isn't how drunk consent works, this "what if they were both drunk" scenario does not exist except on the internet so far as I know. A lawyer commented on this that he was not aware of a single instance coming to court WHICH PROVES IT IS A HUGE CONSPIRACY. /s

The legal standard of drunk beyond consent is close to unconsciousness - the test is just that they know that sex is proposed, and who with and they are capable of indicating assent somehow, even if they are not capable of speech. That is all.
A man normally loses the ability to have an erection or orgasm a very long way before being unable to consent, though this varies. So no baby, no rape, and no legal paradox.

I'll leave it up to you to examine the drunk driving law and find the bit where women are not liable.

[–]antilopes 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How does that work for drunk driving, is there a different standard for women?

[–]Pz5 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont know Australian law but can he sue for damages? Make her pay any hospital bills. Can he also sue Caloundra Magistrates Court for discrimination?

[–]andejoh 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

except for the crime of letting themselves get drunk

Not on college campuses or I believe the military (not 100% sure about the military, but heard of a case where a woman filed a false rape claim to avoid sanction for drinking) if they file a rape claim.

[–]lochlann05 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As he should be, alcohol is not an excuse no matter the gender.

[–]rforest3 17 points18 points19 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, but it is pretty common that a drunk male is held to a different standard than a drunk female. It shouldn't make any difference whatsoever

[–]Hik_hik 636 points637 points638 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

We should hire a woman to punch the lawmaker.

[–][deleted] 424 points425 points426 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good thinking. We’ll save 23 cents on the dollar.

[–]dogfightdruid 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Best joke today. Bravo

[–]Boosted3232 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🤣

[–]MGTOWtoday 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

[+]TrumpBestHurrDurr -131 points-130 points-129 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol!! Rise up!! Gamer Americans are extremely oppressed on this side of the Pacific. Sending good vibes for my Australian brothers in arms!! Or maybe I should say VIRTUAL arms lmao. See you on CoD.

[–]Coltshooter1911 65 points66 points67 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're so brave <3 thanks for fighting the good fight social justice warrior.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t r/politicalhumor go be annoying somewhere else

[–]FinerStrings 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welp username checks out

[–]Aconserva3 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok now this is epic

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 261 points262 points263 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

‘If I had defended.myself in the slightest I would’ve been.attacked by other patrons in the club and arrested.immediately,’ Mr Gould said.

Feminists call this male privilege.

Not one they want to correct mind you.

[–]Valentine190 30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Over half of the "activists" are idiots and think they deserve more than men just because. Many follow the double standard "what's good for goose is not good for gander". Acting like men and women are completely different species of animals.

[–]lazybear1718 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why does that sentence sounds like William Shatner?.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why does. that sentence. SOUND like William Shatner?!?

[–]lazybear1718 -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does that sentence sounds like William Shatner?.

[–]walkingaroundme93 points 7 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

"She’s a very ordinary.looking girl" direct quote from article

[–]dem_banka 37 points38 points39 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah what's with the periods all over the article

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I assume they ripped it from one of the shitty subscription mandatory online newspapers in Australia and are hiding it from their detection

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience the exact opposite is true. I subscribe to two paid newspapers and read my quota of articles or more on several others.

I read a lot of free shit too. The paid-for stuff is much higher quality. I could get around the paywalls but I like to pay for good journalism because it costs money to make. I'm very broke but if I had money I'd support more paid sites.

[–]Exitbuddy1 126 points127 points128 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

In all seriousness... what if he just happens to see her on the street and knocks the shit out of her? That would be interesting in court.

[–]turlian 91 points92 points93 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

He goes to jail.

[–]Exitbuddy1 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I think so too but what would the judge say?

[–]turlian 35 points36 points37 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That dude is going to jail

[–]mcavvacm 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"life in prison. NEXT!"

[+]ordinarybots -21 points-20 points-19 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

NEXT JOKE ORIGIN

[–]WeedsAccountant 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/NoOneAsked

[–]morerokk 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not where the term comes from.

[–]mcavvacm 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't even referencing anything in particular, I was just, you know...using words...

[–]fogoticus 219 points220 points221 points 7 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Stating such morbid stupidity such as "She doesn’t normally.drink, on the night she.consumed a large.amount of.alcohol and had been celebrating moving up to the Coast to join her partner" and then expecting people to just go on like "Yeah, it's a-ok, the g'al is normal" just proves how fucked up this world we live in, actually is.

Going for alcohol the second you get an opportunity is a sign that you're a potentially very boring person. However, the problem is, once you become violent because of it, you are a public menace. It doesn't matter if you're a male or a female, buffed or skinny af, practicing fighting or nothing. Shit can go down.

And the fact that the judge gave her the pussy card this way is just unacceptable.

[–]mgtowolf 149 points150 points151 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There is a huge double standard when it comes to alcohol for men and women. Men are expected to be able to judge when a woman is too drunk to jump in the sack while even being drunk themselves. Somehow women have no responsibility, and men have all the responsibility.

If a man gets drunk and sleeps with a women below his usual standards, that's tough shit for him, but if it's a women, then they are supposedly victim of a crime. Same with getting tanked and using violence. I am surprised they don't get off for drunk driving too.

[–]fogoticus 56 points57 points58 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everybody expects men to be extremely self controlled, extremely "on top" of the situation, really smart, really brave, ready to fix anybody's fuck ups.

I mean, holy shit. Are you into that type of relationship, to begin with? Are you willing to be the more playful part of the relationship while he is the more serious part of the relationship? Or are you just wanting to be a fuck up of a person with 0 self control & self esteem who can still say "I have a healthy lifestyle" because somebody in your life has it, not you?

Women who do this shit are the worst, dumbest type of life partners you can find.

[–]Euneek29 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

If a person gets drunk and drives, they are accountable for their actions. If they kill someone they will face the consequences.

If a woman gets drunk and has sex, she is not accountable for her actions. She can accuse the other (likely equally drunk individual) of rape.

Woman are children in the eyes of the law apparently.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How does it work for women drivers, since that was your comparison?

[–]hardkjerne 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wonder if the same circumstances would apply for a male rapist so that he would get a more lenient punishment.

[–]Byroms 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She is an adult, if she knows she doesn't drink a lot otherwise, she should know she cant handle much, this is 100% making herself look like a toddler.

[–]fogoticus 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but it's "ok" to be a toddler. I mean "We are women. You love us cute. Stop bitching and be a man you fag" is among the words of what said "toddlers" usually tell to people when they call them "toddlers".

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because you know, men can always legally excuse their violence against women with "I was drunk, my bad".

[–]fogoticus 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep. We'll instantly get the dick card boys, am I right?

[–]weekly_burner 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We'll instantly get the dick

Well, you're partly right

[–]fogoticus 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I laughed out loud, holy shit.

[–]FreemanPontifex 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a sign you are a boring person

Ehhh... Fuck you just a little bit guy

[–]Rolten -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Going for alcohol the second you get an opportunity is a sign that you're a potentially very boring person.

Lol what kind of judgemental bullshit is this. Some people just like to drink. Most people actually.

[–]Infinitezen 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't change the fact that it is literal poison and damages society greatly.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't mean you should judge anyone for enjoying it. As long as you aren't harming others, alcohol is just as acceptable as any other substance. As with all things: moderation.

[–]Infinitezen 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I merely call it like I see it, try to be as objective as I can.

[–]Rolten 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So? That's a whole different point and doesn't give anyone the right to in polite conversation judge those who drink harshly for it by saying stupid things like /u/fogoticus did.

[–]fogoticus 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So, I obviously touched a nerve and I think I should come forward and speak for I forgot to reply to your first comment.

Just because "most people" like to drink, it doesn't mean it automatically makes said thing "good" or "healhty" and clearly doesn't make said thing "fun".

You lose control, you start being tipsy easily, your train of thoughts slowly becomes worse than a 4th grader's capacity to stay calm & on point in a conversation. What is so fun in this? Why are you such an underachieving shithead to get so offended when somebody tells you that your degenerate hobby is trash and boring? Is your personality so absent that your opinions start becoming more important to you the more people agree with you?

Sorry buddy but I'll keep on saying "stupid things" all I'll want. It's my opinion, and if you're such a snowflake to get offended by it, maybe you should think twice before pouring another glass to yourself because you obviously aren't happy when doing it and are seeking active approval from people rather than taking time and giving a slight shit about your own, sadly inexistant opinion.

God damn insecurities man. I'd hate myself if I gave more shits about what people say than what I say, and I say drinking is shit and boring and as others said, it's toxic.

[–]Rolten 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow you're delusional. There is just such an incredible degree of judgement, ignorance, and faults in your comment. It's rather sad and just shows a complete lack of understanding for the average person.

[–]fogoticus 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you don't like people getting drunk & violent?

then you are delusional, are judgemental and have a comment filled with ignorance and faults

That's you. That's how stupid you sound.

[–]Rolten 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was referring to the way you brought your argument, not your ideas behind it. It's fine if you think that drinking is bad for society. However, it's not fine to just out of the blue attack people for it (it's unproductive within this subreddit) or -if challenged- to respond with a comment just filled with ignorance and faults.

I'll point out a few:

and clearly doesn't make said thing "fun".

No, I and billions of others find it fun so it is fun to us. You disagreeing does not make it not fun. The fact that I like drinking is literally a fact.

Why are you such an underachieving shithead

Few months away from graduating with a masters in Financial Engineering. So thanks for the ad hominem but I'm doing rather well actually. Bad arguing on your part.

sadly inexistant opinion.

How can my opinion be inexistent if I'm actively voicing it on Reddit?

Again, the merit of your argument (in its core, that all drinking is bad and that people who do so are boring) was only part of the problem. It's how you brought it that made me call you delusional, judgmental and ignorant.

[–]fogoticus 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not even going to bother reading, no offense. I'm not showcasing some insecurity of mine as I'm not even remotely considering this some online battle of arguments but judging by your previous comments this is a longer "drinking is normal, you're weird!!!" comment. And I don't need to read that.

[–]Rolten -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no offense.

Offense taken of course since I'm a massive snowflake

this is a longer "drinking is normal, you're weird!!!" comment

It's not. It's a "your comment and attitude sucks" comment. As all my comments have been actually.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points69 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The story is very interesting, but what’s with all the periods?

[–]asskikmrc 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is like it was typed up on a cell phone and they couldn't be fucked to differentiate the space bar from the period.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm surprised it didn't have an emoticon as well.

[–]LarryKleist711 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The news site is going tampon free.

[–]666Evo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad I wasn't the only one

[–]jaheiner 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Oh it'd damage her career prospects if she was held accountable for this crime that we'd fucking crucify a man if the roles were reversed."

Fuck this judge.

[–]chadwickofwv 30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He should hire a string of around a dozen women to punch this judge in the face. Get one every week to punch him.

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[–]T1redOfSleep 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Strict one-punch laws" made me think there was more than one, but I only found the same single law you did.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]ChristopherTZK 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wut

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

seventeen

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

As an Australian, 'one punch' didn't apply. She hit him multiple times. The argument was that she was very drunk. The assault charge was appropriate. The fine probably wasn't.

That being said, the fine of $800 (which I think was shit) was the end result of the 'it would impact future employment prospects' thing that males sometimes have applied.

It's shit, but if we want to use the reasoning of 'it would impact future employment of ...' if should also apply to females.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not men, but I do recall that English girl who stabbed her boyfriend and the judge let her off with a slap on the wrist because she was studying to be a doctor and it would be a shame to damage her career prospects.

[–]MajinAsh 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Rich men yes. Not-rich men no.

[–]jonnytechno 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So the privileged (women, children & the rich)

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also sports people even if they aren't particularly famous yet. And kids from respectable families. And white people.

Judges are required to take several things into account in sentencing (not convicting) and the impact on the individual is one.
Of course a given sentence will sometimes affect rich people more. Poor people aren't bothered much by not being able to travel internationally. They can't afford it, and they can't get jobs or residence in other countries.

That English med student was an absolute nightmare of a person but she's brilliant and we need more good surgeons. The judge isn't allowed to take the public good into account so far as I know though, just whether the punishment would be disproportionate on her. But there is a limit so she got done anyway. Judges get to see a lot of drunken stabbing, they take a dim view even if her injury was trivial.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jeez stay strong,Aussies

[–]akindaboiwantstohelp 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So they admit that women are weaker than and not equal to men?

Smh who am I kidding.

[–]Porkupine_Adams 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So the Australian government is saying there is differences between the sexes and women are physically weaker than men?

How misogynistic and transphobic of them.

[–]eceme98 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/pussypass

[–]MCRusher 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guess it's one punch men then

Wonder how many times this joke has already been made

[–]UberDuperDrew 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There were a lot of inappropriate / misplaced periods in that story.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why you never let the law sort out an attacker. It's always DIY. As for White Knights, those are icing on the otherwise dry and unsatisfying cake.

[–]Jackson2615 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet another example of a woman not being held accountable to the same standard/ level as a man who did the same thing. Why I wondered ,why when the evidence is clear was the female defendant treated so leniently??? Found the answer at the end of the article ,-

"Magistrate.Stephanie Tonkin did not.record the.conviction."

The Magistrate was also a woman...……..

[–]antilopes 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"the same thing" is the key to this story.

[–]AthenaRaith 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair we already knew women are never help accountable for their actions. What's one more piece of evidence?

[–]keiths31 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's with all the periods in that story? That made it hard to read.

[–]TheExplodingKitten 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/pussypass

[–]macaryl95 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She gets a fine because she fine. Where's all my pussy pedestal boys? I'm kidding jail that sick son of a bitch she don't deserve freedom.

[+]ziggmuff -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck Australia and Australian women.

[–]Sam_Dan23 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like your votes are down under

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I have very pleasant memories of Australian women.*
They gave mixed reviews about Australian men as a group.
This is sort of racist but Britain did not send its finest 170k prisoners to the penal colony, which was 6/7ths male prisoners with most staff being male. (20% of Aussies are descended from convicts, and there was lots of immigration from southern Europe and all over which is why the food is so good and the women so luscious).

The prisoners were overwhelmingly there for petty theft since more serious crimes got execution.
Pursuant to the so-called "Bloody Code", by the 1770s there were 222 crimes in Britain which carried the death penalty,[8] almost all of which were crimes against property. These included such offences as the stealing of goods worth over 5 shillings, the cutting down of a tree, the theft of an animal, even the theft of a rabbit from a warren.

These were people the Industrial Revolution had not found a use for, mostly. The same is happening now with automation and IT, and there will be another wave soon with AI. The only people out of jail will be the 1%ers, the Chinese and a few computer techs. Invest in prisons.

I'm rambling, I shouldn't drink during the day but it is too damn hot. North America took our coolness for its stupid polar vortex. Selfish. My city caught fire yesterday. And Trump appointed some steaming senior cunt to the EPA who says CO2 is awesome stuff and we need more of it. Plutonium is a nutrient.

* I mainly prefer sheep but made do.

[+]GuyWithTheStalker -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My reaction when the average, shitfaced 21 year old girl who isn't built like Amanda Nunes punches me in the back of the head at a bar for allegedly no known reason.

[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I follow the sub and agree with most things but I will say this for whatever reason for it in my life have been punched in the face many ties by a woman including several years ago when three black girls try to rob me on a train all three of them punch me in the face. And then when I started laughing at them they kept on punching me in the face and it still didn't hurt . And I told him sorry you're not getting this bag tonight Never once has a punch to the face by a girl has ever hurt me it's actually quite amazing. So I think that the amount of harm a punch causes should correlate to the amount of time you get. But you know what I'll take being stronger over them getting away with a punch me in the face any day of the week

[–]rbrockway[S] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hitting someone isn't just about physical harm. It's also humiliating. It's a dominance behaviour.

I'm glad you haven't been injured. Having said that plenty of men are injured by women, especially given women's penchant for using weapons or attacking in a group to "even things up."

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Magistrates punish appropriately for humiliating behavior, not for terrifying violence by an overwhelmingly stronger person who could easily kill you right now, or later, and who statistically has a vastly higher chance of doing that than a woman to a man.

Women killing male strangers is practically zero.
Women kill male intimate partners one in four or five in Australia.
Grievous injuries are similar. It gets more even for superficial wounds.

Outside of intimate partners, women basically don't injure men. The reverse is very different.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Downvoted for personal experience in the real world. /s

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