Guys, you are so right about many things. But please don't blow off the women who support you. Some where we can all find the middle ground.

problem_redditor · 2019-06-05T11:59:17+00:00

We do welcome our female supporters. Women are some of our most vocal advocates (for example: Karen Straughan, Alison Tieman, Janice Fiamengo, Diana Davison, Elizabeth Hobson, etc, etc) and they're very respected around these parts.

If you're interested you should check out Karen Straughan's channel. It's packed with info.

DJ-Roukan · 2019-06-05T12:19:46+00:00

I posted this in the thread, but wanted you to see it also.

yes, you are going to get some shit from the usual suspects that try to blame all women for all men's issues, but heck, I get that also sometimes...and most of us are quick to try to stop that.

We are not the boogie men we are made out to be, and most of us can think of a number of things we'd rather be doing. We are here because if we don't, no one will.

Women are a big part of the reason we have gained a voice. It was women that spoke for us when we had no voice. It was women that led the majority of father's rights groups. It is women like Karen, Janice, Elizabeth, Cassie that are still leading the way. the Honey badgers are sponsoring this years international conference on men's issues.

We do not accept the narrative of men against women, and we try to correct that when we see it. We are men and women fighting an ideology of hate. We accept that women still have some issues to be addressed, but we also support that men have an enormous hill to climb in that regard.

Women that support true equality are welcome here with open arms.

Andii0318 · 2019-06-05T11:49:43+00:00

Posted an hour before you is someone posting something a women said. And they end the title in “hugs to her.” Guys don’t just blow off support.

goodmod · 2019-06-05T12:00:55+00:00

Only some people refuse to welcome women supporters. And those people don't really belong here.

As a moderator, I want to welcome women supporters. Women are very effective in promoting men's rights. They can't be accused of being "men who are afraid of losing their privileges".

Women supporters are absolutely vital for our movement. We're not against women - we're for equal rights.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2019-06-05T15:15:48+00:00

I don't think the sub on the whole "blows off" women. The problem is "finding the middle ground". The activist feminist side has swung so far away, that even if you do find the middle ground, that point is still unfairly unfavourable to the MRA side.

2019-06-05T16:34:59+00:00

In my opinion support from women is just what we need, nobody outside this sub will listen to men.

2019-06-05T14:30:39+00:00

We don't want to ostracize allies, far from it. We recognize we need all the help we can get. Unlike male feminists, who give me the impression of being creeps who want to worm their way into being endeared by the women they "support," I've never gotten that vibe or anything like it from those who've given us support. Women who are MRAs are the genuine article, and I appreciate having you there for us.

red_philosopher · 2019-06-05T19:21:12+00:00

Aren't you the one who was swearing and calling us basement dwellers and shit because we gave advice that advocated for personal responsibility?

Lethn · 2019-06-05T15:16:17+00:00

Define 'common ground' because as far as I'm concerned you can't have common ground with people who genuinely don't give a shit about men's issues and don't want them to have any rights.

I'm not going to pretend for example that there's a 'patriarchy' and that feminists are right about 'toxic masculinity' in order to befriend feminists and make them feel better about themselves that's like asking blacks to befriend the KKK and find 'common ground' with them and no that isn't an exaggeration in the slightest. You would never ask blacks to find common ground with white supremacists so don't ask MRAs or any self-respecting man to befriend feminists.

Women who care about men's issues don't believe in any of the feminist bullshit, it's the ones that do which have a hard time treating men as human beings. From personal experience, the ones that try to put on this act of caring about men's issues are just looking for us to cede ground and degrade ourselves in some way or feel shame for how we're born or who we are and I'm having none of that they're not here to befriend us or 'find middle ground' themselves it takes two to find common ground and we always get people here who try to lecture us into compromising with feminists and they can fuck off.

TLDR: As far as I'm concerned when it comes to human rights there is no middle ground, I'm not going to believe in some bullshit conspiracy theory like the patriarchy so that feminists can feel better about themselves. Women who care about men's issues and want equal rights for everybody are more than welcome but I have no patience for concern trolls.

By the way, if you think I'm making this up, there was a recent bunch of attempts these past few months by obvious feminist posters and concern trolls who were pretending to care about men's issues but were doing nothing but peddling toxic masculinity and they were borderline spamming that men couldn't 'express themselves or show emotion' which is the biggest load of bullshit ever. This was not them finding common ground, this was them being incredibly patronising and arrogant and trying to force us into their political narrative of "Only men are horrible to each other and you must accept that if you want to be friends with us because I care about men's rights tooooooo".

DubsPackage · 2019-06-05T17:45:30+00:00

Even if I say mean things about women sometimes, I'm just 1 frustrated person, I'm not the media, I'm not ads and commercials and movies, I'm not the legal system, the police or national policy.

Instead of tone policing me, why don't you go tone police them.

I don't see anything on tv that says "women suck."

The world is nice to you, everyone's nice to you, everyone kisses women's asses and tells them how awesome they are.

Feminism is actual policy, with actual funding, buildings in DC, etc etc.

All MRA is, is a message board.

Where new guys show up every tuesday and friday like "my wife just divorced me, I lost everything."

Fresh victims like clockwork.

And the only thing "egalitarians" do is sit there and wag their finger, "now now, it's not ALL women."

It's like if you got hit by a bus

"Egalitarian" concern is that the women ON the bus aren't too traumatized by it.

genkernels · 2019-06-05T23:03:52+00:00

Dude, you don't even know who Karen Straughan is. You're don't support us, and you don't support the women of this movement. You're some random creep, and I can rather safely ask you to concern yourself with your own actions and not the actions of this subreddit. Be somewhere else.

Tayzey · 2019-06-05T18:16:56+00:00

I'm not against women but as a young man in my mid 20's I'm focused on more important things in life at the moment. Career, saving for a condo, paying off vehicles, taking care of pets that depend on me. And how the dating culture has changed so much the risk/reward of getting into a serious relationship is just not worth it. I don't even need to be married, if I just live with a woman and we break up she can demand financial support. I'm ultimately not against women but I'm just gonna do my own thing in life for a while. It's stress free and nice at the moment.

Andii0318 · 2019-06-05T11:39:23+00:00

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Socialist133 · 2019-06-05T15:54:05+00:00

I think that's what a lot of people here want. But, as history has shown, conflict sadly seems to be part of human nature.

Free_kittens2468 · 2019-06-06T04:12:44+00:00

Welcome friend. Don't know what else to say, but yeah welcome.

IronJohnMRA · 2019-06-06T12:58:32+00:00

We don't blow them off. We cherish them. But as for a middle ground, that part is unclear to me. You'll need to be more specific.

DepravedWalnut · 2019-06-06T16:22:29+00:00

When have we not supported them? I even had a civil discussion with a feminist here. She wanted know know more about our struggle. In fact, female supporters give me so much hope. The feeling it gives me is beyond euphoric.

[deleted] · 2019-06-06T19:43:01+00:00

The middle ground is closer to /r/mensrights than it is to /r/feminism because they literally ban you instead of responding. Just saying LOL. On this forum men literally tell other men they're wrong. If feminists wanted to engage here (it'd probably be a shit show) but it would be allowed.

FaustoLG · 2019-06-05T17:08:22+00:00

Are you ready to quit all those privileges and right the modern society has given you?

If NO, then, nothing to see here... I don't blow off you, I will just ignore what you claim.

Nothing personal.

azazelcrowley · 2019-06-05T15:08:54+00:00

Sometimes you'll see angry posts but you should be aware we're not talking about you or women like you.

There's also a difference between vaguely supporting mens issues being solved, and actually deciding to support mens issues being solved by taking issue with people who aren't pro MRM. Are you feeling like you're being blown off regularly? How so?

MrWoofles · 2019-06-05T11:11:54+00:00

What women that support us? I don't blow off women at all but I follow the Pence rule when it comes to women. I'm not mean or rude but not trusting women is a survival skill.

Andii0318 · 2019-06-05T11:32:42+00:00

You guys have many valid points: child custody being the first and foremost

Why do you refuse to welcome your female supporters?

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