Does society allow the guys to be in your full masculine?

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-06-25T16:37:49+00:00

Never had anyone try shaming me in the Gym, sports bar, stadiums or arena, or strip clubs or “breasturants”

Or at my kid’s school functions or corporate events.

notseizingtheday · 2023-06-25T21:41:10+00:00

Depends on your definition of masculine

ChevalierAuChocolat · 2023-06-25T16:39:32+00:00

its a bit difficult to explain, but i'll try:

if you're truly a masculine guy (high T, bearded, athletic, tall, extroverted etc) then you can absolutely be fully masculine because society will permit it. most will love you for it, some might dislike you for it, but you'll sorta be given a pass and green light to go ahead.

but if your nature is unmasculine (low T, pubic hair beard, chubby/pudgy, short, shy etc) then you're gonna be demonized for acting masculine. you'll be universally disliked and stepped on if you try to act masculine. you will receive shit from both masculine guys who make fun of you, and feminists who will accuse you of "toxic masculinity". if youre like that you have no choice but to act in accordance with your nature, that is to say like youre neutered and have no testes and no male sex characteristics.

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-06-25T18:27:29+00:00

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Workaholiconew · 2023-06-25T18:03:56+00:00

No and yes.

You cannot be as masculine as you want. As many traits of masculinities are not tolerated such as sincerity.

But some other traits of masculinity are forced by others... and we would not have them if not by force. Like complete self reliance.

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-06-25T16:57:58+00:00

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Pale-Fish-8599 · 2023-06-25T17:08:17+00:00

The men who care about what society promotes and propagandizes rarely end up successful in life. The men who are the most successful in dating don't give a fuck about being toxic.

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-06-25T17:23:47+00:00

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Educational_Ad4410 · 2023-06-25T18:18:36+00:00

Isn’t it obvious? Obviously not lol.

NeveruseTren · 2023-06-25T23:47:08+00:00

No because if it did I would be a conqueror. I can be like 90% though. Just can’t full on be a savage like exceptional men in the past could.

Apprehensive_Net7337 · 2023-06-25T23:59:22+00:00

Haven't you heard? man is bad in 2023

ethereallysmall · 2023-06-26T00:08:53+00:00

here we go again with the new age trad adjacent beliefs

TheGreatBeefSupreme · 2023-06-27T11:02:03+00:00

Depends on what you consider society. I always felt like I was under a lot of social pressure to subdue my natural competitiveness and pro-social aggression.

“Don’t try so hard to win. Give others a chance.”

“It’s not fair to others for you to win all the time.”

“Be nice. Give up your share for others. It’s only fair.”

Stuff like that, even when not explicitly stated.

salehbassmusic · 2023-06-28T15:26:20+00:00

As a masculine guy, I’d say that your question is flawed to begin with. Society has no say in whether or not I am permitted to “act masculine” or not. I act how I want and do the things that I want to do without questioning whether society accepts it or not. So far nobody has tried to encroach on my mindset or actions in real life, it’s mostly just dweebs on the internet hiding behind their screens who will disagree.

FigSubstantial2175 · 2023-06-25T17:58:12+00:00

Education system is very castrating. I have people close to me in medschool and it's basically 90% acquiring last year's tests and learning that "the longest answer is the right one in this ABCD question" etc. or having older friends who tell you all about certain professors and ways to defuse them

Social chatter, gossip and being cunning is all that matters in medschool and women are so much better at it. Hard intelligence, persistence, clear conditions are what men are better at, but uni will only punish you for it

odd_cloud · 2023-06-25T17:06:58+00:00

Well, it’s a complex thing. I think there are two sides of masculinity. The negative side is about being stoic, not complaining, dealing with problems on your own and so on. The positive is being confident, loud, sexually aggressive (I mean initiation and quantity).

I think that all men are expected to follow the negative side of masculinity, the masculine responsibilities. But only few selected men are able to experience its positive side. It will be perceived negatively if you are not charismatic but try to joke or boss others around. Or, if you are not physically capable, but pursue a sport. If a popular guy beats a nerd, it’s OK and boys will be boys. But if a nerd beats a popular guy, he has anger problems. If you are ugly or not charismatic, you better not try to pursue women for hookups, but should stay in a corner until a woman wants to “get to know you”.

If you are not able to experience the benefits of masculinity, see point one. You must shut up about it.

xTakki27 · 2023-06-25T18:51:46+00:00

Pff, anything typically masculine is seen as toxic now, even not wanting to go full vegan to the point where your reproductive system shuts down.

And the cuck, who said that also proclaimed for those men to lose their reproduction rights...

Going overdrive on the toxicity is a common and legit Action now, so...

Unnecessary-Training · 2023-06-25T16:46:15+00:00

Depends on your definition of 'masculine'. Nobody is going to stop you from going to the gym or competing in a boxing club. However, if by 'masculine' you mean trying to ~~sexually harass~~ 'cold approach' women or picking random fights with other men just because you feel ~~jealous of~~ 'mogged' by them, then people will obviously stop you, as they must.

bad_nerves · 2023-06-25T18:38:38+00:00

yeah it definitely does, lot of hysteria in the sub is because people read too much shitty op-eds from publications that no sane person gives a shit about

sayittentimesfast · 2023-06-25T20:08:44+00:00

They want a soyboy when it comes to their views on feminism and equality.

They want a toxically masculine male when it's time to put an aggressor in his place, or run into a burning building to get the kids, or fend off an armed mugger, or do anything in an emergency outside that involves horrible weather.

I've never seen a woman trying to jump start a vehicle in -40 weather while the man sat inside the truck on his phone looking inconvenienced.

ComfortableOk5003 · 2023-06-25T22:44:30+00:00

Being masculine is seen as bad unless it’s specifically the way women think masculinity should be, example chivalry

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Early-Christmas-4742 · 2023-06-25T19:39:21+00:00

Depends completely on your definition of masculine.

Tricky_Relief_7152 · 2023-06-25T23:32:33+00:00

Hell fucking yes society allows (and rewards) men who are unapologetically masculine.

Life rules as a masculine man if you ignore mewling about "toxic masculinity" - why would I listen to a group of people whose only interest in me is what they can get from me?

That's the crux of it - when you hear "toxic masculinity" it's really "don't express your masculinity in ways that don't benefit me" and it's always coming from groups that need masculine men the most.

Nobody bitches about toxic masculinity when the Huns are invading. Nobody bitches about toxic masculinity when buildings need to be built. Nobody bitches about toxic masculinity when the mugger needs to be fought. Nobody bitches about toxic masculinity when the tab at dinner comes. Nobody bitches about toxic masculinity when the roads need to be cleared after the blizzard.

If they want my masculinity when it suits them, they get it when it doesn't. Masculinity isn't something that you can turn on or off.

punzindahouse · 2023-06-26T00:59:11+00:00

I would go further and say that society requires to a certain extent that men exhibit certain masculine behaviour. I have both masculine and feminine characteristics and I tend to find that I have to hide one-half of my personality to be accepted, especially when it comes to my dating prospects with women.

platinirisms · 2023-06-26T11:42:18+00:00

The opposite, men who aren’t masculine are shamed for not being masculine.

Skinny and weak? Laughed at.
Drink ‘feminine’ drinks? Laughed at.
Take part in feminine hobbies like bailarina? Laughed at.
Have a ‘feminine’ job like being a nurse? Laughed at.
Even if you act a bit ‘girly’, people will call you gay for it.

Nah. Masculine men are not only respected, but rewarded for being masculine. Women love you more, boss respects you more and gives you higher salaries, people are kinder to you, people assume good traits in you like intelligence and high confidence, etc. There’s literally 0 downsides.

Title	Does society allow the guys to be in your full masculine?
Author	Womanese
Upvotes	11
Comments	71
Date	June 25, 2023 4:01 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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