Has feminism gone too far?

amenacingballsack · 2023-07-14T06:18:05+00:00

Not aware of any terrorist attacks planned out by feminists, but I feel "hate group" is an accurate description.

Truth is, women can do everything men can do now. There's no suffrage act to fight for anymore. And, as is not the case with racial minorities or LGTBQ folks, there are distinct societal advantages to being a woman that no "feminist" has any interest in changing.

Are there certain ways and situations in which men have it better? Sure. But the opposite also holds true. And anyone who wants to address one set of problems while ignoring (or even supporting) the other isn't fighting for "gender equality:" they just want to make things better for their own group at the expense of another.

Now, are feminists as bad as the Klan? I don't know. But a woman can say "I hate men!" and get applauded for it, even in many mainstream settings. Any group that would encourage such rhetoric is, by literal definition, a hate group.

MotCADK · 2023-07-14T11:44:40+00:00

I think much of the terminology should be labelled as hate speech. Anything gender specific to certain behaviours is likely hateful.

Some examples to consider:

mansplaining
toxic masculinity

Annual_Anxiety_4457 · 2023-07-14T07:32:41+00:00

I have no problem with them when doing their thing in private but they end up in ministries and federal government bodies etc its a problem. They are doing a great job raising girls but they tend to block efforts to support men.

mgtowolf · 2023-07-14T12:38:29+00:00

Feminism has always been a supremacist movement. It was never good. The history people are taught in school is rose tinted glasses bullshit, that leave a lot of pertinent facts out to make it look good.

Felarhin · 2023-07-14T04:17:32+00:00

I wouldn't call it a terrorist hate group. I think of them as annoying spoiled overgrown children mostly. All that independent girl boss thinking is liable to come back to bite them after they hit 40 and corporate America is done wiping it's ass with most of them and they find that they've sacrificed love for money only to end up with neither.

I think very few of them think that far ahead though.

Heavy_Grand2526 · 2023-07-14T06:27:05+00:00

I never had an issue with feminism until they belittled, demonized, degraded, generalized, and discriminated against men.

KochiraJin · 2023-07-14T07:13:26+00:00

I believe that feminism has gone too far and is at a point where it should be classified as a terrorist hate group, Traditional feminism where women were fighting for the right to vote and so many other things are in my opinion okay.

Funny thing about the suffragettes: they had a bombing and arson campaign. Even wikipedia calls it terrorism.

blast4310 · 2023-07-14T06:10:10+00:00

Anything beyond the second wave of feminism is too far

Shogun_397K · 2023-07-14T11:56:42+00:00

Feminism was a great protest for EQAULITY. Now it's just a way to further twist twisted logic and overtake men. It's a weapon. Not a civilized attempt to find equality

AmuseDeath · 2023-07-14T16:06:36+00:00

Feminism is a mental illness and the abolishment of it would be better for society. It basically blames men for every single problem on this planet and tricks people with all sorts of bullshit theories like the wage gap myth, rape culture and male gaze. When faced with facts and logic, it essentially breaks down and its supporters resort to screaming and pulling fire alarms. The longer one dwells upon it, the less of an ability they have to do logical and critical thinking.

It is a very sexist women against men and assumes all men are the same and have privilege. It assumes that a poor coal miner in the Appalachians in the same as Jeff Bezos just because he's a man. Feminism assumes any women who is not a feminist is mentally broken and must have unconscious internal misogyny. It's "leaders" like Gal Gadot state that you are either a feminist or a sexist. So you must either believe in a movement full of lies and theories or you must be a raging sexist.

It's one of the many problematic movements today that throw logic and facts out the window in order to unite people under a banner of words that feel good. I mean for many women it feels good to just blame men for every issue in their life. I mean they make the majority of murderers, prisoners and homeless so why not? Of course we then ignore who make the majority of people who do dangerous work, the roofers, the welders, the policemen, the rescuemen... also men.

It's a movement that just makes people stupider and we already have that issue in this country.

It's a good thing to advocate for women's rights, but it should be done with facts and logic - women's rights. Women need to understand a movement that advocates for their behalf that is based on lies and hate is a BAD thing even if they supposedly support women. Women need to use facts and data as the basis of helping other women, not the hatred of men. Feminists miss the entire point that the real issue is that the powerful and wealthy are creating a world where the masses squabble over silly topics like gender and religion while the rich gobble up more and more. Do feminists even realize that their fathers, brothers and sons are also men? Don't they realize hating men means hating the people they love?

herefortheparty01 · 2023-07-14T17:28:45+00:00

Dr_Alex_Wesker · 2023-07-14T08:54:41+00:00

Yes.

mvong123 · 2023-07-14T11:35:56+00:00

Is that a rhetorical question? Of course

Lui_Le_Diamond · 2023-07-14T14:10:47+00:00

Hate group yes, terrorist group no

anubis434 · 2023-07-14T14:23:05+00:00

Hell yes it has gone too far the feminist are acting like the nazis in world War 2 germany

tizzle79 · 2023-07-14T04:38:39+00:00

100% This generation of <25 yr old women is a lost generation. Indoctrinated by bitter women. Mother Nature is being denied by the motherly in Nature

MrRonchito · 2023-07-14T11:17:59+00:00

Feminism nowadays (if not always) is nothing but an instrument of the left to destroy families and confront men and women, just like they confronted rich and poor, it's the same base, keep the people divided so it's easier to control them.

Back then it was used to take control over children education tho, said by the Rockefeller founder of this shit, it wasn't about women rights at all.

AaViOnBando · 2023-07-14T07:28:45+00:00

Terrorist group is a term you'd only use in electoral propaganda but everything other than that is on point.

1010111_ · 2023-07-14T09:38:36+00:00

That's a no shit. They are now pushing men's rights away to the point men have to bow down to women. IS THIS REAL!? There must be something going on behind the scenes tho.

phoenician_anarchist · 2023-07-14T10:01:01+00:00

Traditional feminism where women were fighting for the right to vote and so many other things are in my opinion okay

In the UK, the suffragettes were terrorists, lots of bombs and arson, a number of innocent people killed... If anything it's actually gotten better here!

Feminism hasn't gone bad, it's hardly changed at all. Bra-burners, lesbian separatists, female chauvinists, girl power; All timeless classics, now available on compact disc!

APA770 · 2023-07-14T11:14:25+00:00

You're right. Feminists are the useful idiots used by the elites and the government.

ElisaSKy · 2023-07-14T10:55:14+00:00

The minute the NSDP started framing the Jews as uniquely prone to rape, changing the laws and definitions if needed, was the minute the NSDP went too far. The Nuremberg Laws were 6 articles of laws, 2 of them were dedicated to how to enforce the other 4 articles, which were actual laws. One such article was devoted to the sole purpose of portraying Jews as rapists with manufactured evidence. Let that sink in: 1/4th of the actual Nazi race laws were dedicated to the false portrayal of Jews as uniquely prone to rape.

The minute feminism started framing men as uniquely prone to rape, changing the laws and definitions if needed, was the minute feminism went too far. Feminist organizations have consulted with government agencies, operated campaigns of academic blacklisting, and sent terrorist threats against any researcher which has found that men aren't uniquely prone to rape. Just like the NSDP before them, feminist groups are dedicating most of their effort to make men look uniquely prone to rape using manufactured evidence and suppression of contradictory evidence. Let that sink in.

Frird2008 · 2023-07-14T03:58:37+00:00

The elites have gone too far. Feminism is a byproduct of the elites agenda to control society. Furthermore, I blame neither women nor men for subscribing to the agenda. Anyone, no matter how resistant to manipulation will subscribe if the manipulation is strong enough.

genzkiwi · 2023-07-14T09:20:40+00:00

Feminism is simply a scam.

It got women to give their life to corporations instead of family.

Rude_Shock343 · 2023-07-14T23:09:24+00:00

Ok-Yogurtcloset7394 · 2023-07-14T08:54:27+00:00

Its important to acknowledged that feminism isnt equally unreasonable everywhere in the world. However in most of our western societies i would agree and claim that men and women have pretty equal oppotunities nowadays. Basically there are feminists who reached theire goals but don't think they did because women still have Problems (such as men do although they often don't acknowledge that in theire delusions) and there are young naive social media influenced people who believe that all the problems feminists claim to face at such an intensity justifies such a hatefull attitude.

generally in society it feels like most people live under an ideology>reality kind of way and I don't have any idea on how to fix that since no one is willing to step out of theire own bubble and engage in open minded conversations with empathy and the goal to resolve conflicts.

When you Adress that stuff like the paygap for the most part exists because women and men have diffrent interests and job commitments and the majority of rhich people are men or how we are at least equal when it comes to law (I would even claim that women are often recieving better treatment in court than men) you are immeadiately being accused misogonistic by these feminists.

from theire perspective they feel like they are not doing anything wrong and they don't see the damage such ideologies deal to a society. At least thats my impression. I am beginning to wonder more and more wether feminists are or are not fully aware of that and are doing this on purpose to fullfill some twisted sense of justice and superiority.

Nocturnal_Sociopath · 2023-07-14T06:01:19+00:00

Ya, no shit Sherlock

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2023-07-14T10:07:22+00:00

It's been too far for at least a few decades.

My main beef with it has always been how they try to rewrite history and focus far more on wimen and girls than men and boys.

PrankDevil · 2024-06-09T20:26:44+00:00

It's not even feminism. It's just glorified sexism.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-07-14T14:04:27+00:00

I’m starting to wonder if feminism (the current feminism pushing the envelope) has become what the original feminists hated in several ways (just with the sexes reversed).

I base this on reading some books on feminism’s origins and a lot of its early complaints are things men are now complaining about, rightly so. Many are right from the MRA’s issues list or tie in.

Unequal access to the legal system
Unequal outcomes in the legal system
Unequal child custody
Marriage is difficult to leave, resulting in feeling trapped
Society ignores their issues
domestic violence is ignored and/or not believed
domestic violence is tolerated
Discrimination in the workplace
society heavily pushes gendered social norms with few socially acceptable alternatives.
financial ruin (a husband divorcing his wife with very little then vs debtor’s prison for men unable to pay child support now)
Unequal divorce settlements
reproductive rights such as consent to pregnancy
rape is tolerated, overlooked, ignored, or dismissed

V1RL · 2023-07-14T07:15:18+00:00

I’ve read the elite men created feminism to get more people working. But I think any of these movements that make you pick sides, the type that is forced in your face.. should realise that those on the fence will push hard to the other side.

Glimmerofinsight · 2023-07-14T23:08:45+00:00

I think you mean Fentanyl. Fentanyl is a major societal problem.

Women asking for equal pay for equal work is not a societal problem.

Entitled women are an annoyance. Just ignore them.

Guyonstockmarket · 2023-07-15T12:04:07+00:00

its a hate group but it is in no way a terrorist group and claims like these are part of the reason MRAS get so much hate

iwishiwereagod · 2023-07-16T16:30:41+00:00

I see a lot of bad people self proclaiming themselves "feminist" and I normally try to sway these people into being better, now this brings me to you, "Terrorist" really? you sound like the same fake feminists I try to convince to do better just male. Statements like these make your community look bad.

lilfortunate · 2023-07-14T22:30:54+00:00

Can you give examples of the terrorism in question to give us something to work with

Vaudeville_Clown · 2023-07-15T15:58:43+00:00

Tempting but, no. Let's not water out the meaning of 'terrorist' as well.

Besides, we'd be playing the same way of hyperbolic and hysteric usage of dramatic words, were those factually don't apply.

Such cheap strategies only works temporarily, until it does the exact opposite.

Are you getting that you nazi incel crypto-fascist!! (This is a joke friend :))

Eastern_Willow4235 · 2023-07-18T10:08:45+00:00

Feminism has definitely gone to far . Feminism was good for obtaining basic human rights for women such as being able to vote etc , but nowadays modern feminism is all about women being able to act like immodest women (free the n!p , dressing immodest , OF is empowerment etc ). Western women especially need to realise their not oppressed because they have to cover their genetaila or abide the dress codes and cover rather than walking around with everything out.

Western women have to realise that poc/woc are the ones facing real oppression in the East and even in some western countries.. Hijab ban niqab ban burkini ban , uyhurs Muslim genocide , how woc get paid less , how in some European countries your banned from working (hijab ban) if you cover up , yet , you can walk around topless in those same countries fine. This is real oppression, that we need to talk about. Because right now , feminism isn't fighting for equality. It is mainly just yt feminism fighting for bs first world western privileged "oppression" ideologies (when they aren't even oppressed) , or feminists stereotyping every single minority and/or men. So yeah as a women of colour , feminism has gone to far and that's why I am not really a feminist anymore.

tommyxcy · 2023-10-06T19:31:32+00:00

It’s not really about equity for most feminists, it’s about being selfish garnishing all the power and wealth and beating others to death in a capitalist system. Same with racism for certain racial groups.

Horrors_Untold_ · 2024-01-07T06:55:37+00:00

Feminism has vastly overstepped its purpose. It had its run, but it's done what it needed to. Modern feminism is somewhat akin to an evil authoritarian figure rather than a terrorist group.

1: They openly demonize men as undesirables. They even actively advocate for the genocide of men through the #KillAllMen movement. Some also actively go out of their ways to ruin men's lives for little to no reason.

2: They pass laws that are actively detrimental to and discriminatory against men while benefitting themselves, including laws that define taxation and the concept of rape. The court systems are also universally biased against men.

3: They create a societal framework where men are afraid to even speak of them in a negative light in fear of being ostracized or even punished by law. Meanwhile, they have the legal authority to badmouth men in many ways, and sometimes they're even supported by the authorities.

4: When another woman suggests helping men, many women of this will attack the woman in various ways. Erin Pizzey suggested implementing shelters for men who experienced domestic violence and abuse, and she was repeatedly threatened with death. Her dogs were also killed.

5: They have several societal and institutionalized advantages over men including court bias, reproductive rights and dating. Women are sentenced less harshly in comparison to men, less likely to be sentenced, get positive bias in divorce court to such a degree that they could ruin a man's life without fear of repercussion and can even ruin a man's life with a false accusation. They also have a very easy time with dating.

6: They can actively attack men without being punished while men can't even defend themselves without being arrested and possibly criminalized.

That's only some of the reasons.

Title	Has feminism gone too far?
Author	Playful-Nature-7034
Upvotes	227
Comments	91
Date	July 14, 2023 3:54 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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