When will society wake up?

Felarhin · 2023-07-15T17:17:56+00:00

When you force them to

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-07-15T16:54:31+00:00

There are some signs some feminists are realizing there’s a problem. Here is a recent thread on an article from a feminist starting to realize the strategy of telling boys they’re defective girls isn’t working.

I couldn’t find the link, but men who identify as liberal are growing more disenfranchised with the left.

vestibularam · 2023-07-15T20:59:46+00:00

there are zero incentives for women to care about mens issues, 1) they arent men so it will never effect them directly. 2) women get additional support when they are seen as victims. 3) enforcing gender norms benefit women more as they have the fortune of recieving gifts and financial support from the few men who are still powerful

g1455ofwater · 2023-07-15T20:58:45+00:00

It's hard to find compelling evidence that society will start caring about men. Humans are evil.

geedubbyaa · 2023-07-15T17:32:12+00:00

Being a man sometimes means walking alone, believing in your cause then having the guts and grit to put a middle finger to anyone who doubts you.

Ever notice how all the great men everyone looks up to were determined mavericks/ trashed at some point and werent even recognized until after their achievements?

Think of Kobe and his court battle.

ggleblanc2 · 2023-07-15T17:08:39+00:00

Society is never going to wake up.

As a man, you have to find your own purpose in life and go your own way.

FranXXis · 2023-07-15T19:47:11+00:00

I've started to see the first cracks in wokism in the last few years. I wouldn't be surprised if it loses its hegemony within the next 10 years. And once it does and people isn't insta-silenced for their differing opinions, it's game over for them

ConestogaCreek · 2023-07-15T21:53:20+00:00

Collapse. That’s when men will again be valued because we will be needed.

Wakka_Grand_Wizard · 2023-07-15T18:52:19+00:00

Never. So long as there are profits to be made, society may as well be a sleeping dragon with gold and gems in a cave

Iamthebackupplan · 2023-07-15T19:04:47+00:00

When all young men draft dodge and suddenly we won't have a military. We will get taken over by a country that respects men more and that's fine.

Alarming_Draw · 2023-07-15T21:13:36+00:00

I realised we live in the Dark Ages.

Laws are utterly useless and outdated and only benefit women.

Societal attitudes are based on lies and hysteria accepted as "brave" and "facts".

Its like the "Dark Ages" period of history all over again.

Za__guy · 2023-07-15T19:47:11+00:00

Waiting for society to change is westing 20 years (minimum) for a maybe

Traveling (imegration) will work much faster

Imegration isn't a solution to probems but is like leaving a house in fire for one isn't burning

hmspain · 2023-07-15T23:15:47+00:00

When society realizes that birth rate is tied to economic prosperity.

Reasonable_Listen514 · 2023-07-16T03:09:07+00:00

Men need to unite and demand changes. Unfortunately, many men aren't on board with men's rights. Many men dont get interested in MRA until they have a bad experience for themselves. And there's many male feminists out there working against us.

I wish we could have a day, or a week, where every man calls out sick from work. Men need to force society to admit how vital men are to society.

It's a slow process. But nore and more men see the light every day. Younger men are getting the message and learning from the mistakes of older men. Change is a slow process. As long as we keep moving in the right direction, eventually, things can change.

I'm seeing more men's issues talked about in MSM, which is a good thing.

RoyalDog57 · 2023-07-16T03:57:38+00:00

I was taken to an r/feminism post from this subreddit and now I keep getting posts from there. Right before this one I got a post about some girl talking about how she was so tried of being degraded into a piece of meat and whatnot. Then later on in the comments someone said something about all men, not just the ones who actively participate, benefit from the oppression of women. A guy responded saying the men in Ukraine aren't benefiting right now. The response was down votes and people saying it didn't pertain and to "stop using a tragedy as a vessel to derail the conversation." They seriously think that they are oppressed everywhere. How do they not even see that what they are complaining about is accepted by society when the roles are reversed?

Z1ayer · 2023-07-16T01:11:46+00:00

In the past, many men left the old world, for the new world (US)

Its a time honoured tradition that men always move to where they're wanted, better jobs/relationships/new start.

In this way, not much has changed, you need to keep on moving.

For now, there are places untouched by Feminazis. But to feminism in the UN, and NGOs, there is a matter of time before you lose this option.

DismalParticular4799 · 2023-07-15T18:58:32+00:00

It has and it chose violence. It sends children off to war to fight the wars of our fathers. It blames men for the inaction of all women. We are the fools to a world that takes everything good we have and throws us away when there's nothing left.

coming2grips · 2023-07-15T21:41:10+00:00

Not until we can clear the mud, explain what's happening and why it's a bad thing.

MaxTheCatigator · 2023-07-15T22:00:12+00:00

When?

When men speak up. Not just 0.01% but a significant share. Don't hold your breath.

dollarBillz007 · 2023-07-16T01:02:20+00:00

When things are absolutely terrible that’s the only way people change.

Atharva0711 · 2023-07-15T18:24:12+00:00

I guess mental strength is the main thing that comes with age When I was in my teens I fealt the same way

I’m 24 now and I already have learned to deal with stress in some way

According to my father there is a lot more growth to take place, but compared to then I deal with stuff a lot better.

There is a saying that boys don’t become men till 30 s

I think it’s somewhat true.

Shogun_397K · 2023-07-16T07:54:39+00:00

When extinction is under our noses, or when survival is the only expectation

Oz70NYC · 2023-07-16T11:08:57+00:00

Society will "wake up" when one of these 5 things happen:

Global pandemic (we're talking on Spanish Flu level)
World War 3
Complete economic collapse
Global famine
Extinction level event

It would take us being on the brink of the end of days for the mislead and foolish rungs of society to wake up, but on for 2 out of the 5...it'd be beyond the point of no return. In the cases of global famine and an ELE, what little threads that keep us civilized would snap, and it'd be chaos.

livinginlyon · 2023-07-15T23:10:34+00:00

It won't change. Adapt. Personally, my life is amazing.

apollyoneum1 · 2023-07-15T20:56:04+00:00

All it would take is those commuting suicide to discover their nemesis.

ConsistentPicture583 · 2023-07-15T22:29:28+00:00

Society, that being the “one percent“ has never cared. Men are fodder. Women are cows.

The way they wake up is having tar, feathers, pitchforks and rakes showing up at their front door.

I heartily endorse this behavior.

SleeplessSeaTac · 2023-07-15T21:12:21+00:00

Call or text 988 if your feelings are getting that dark.

As for society and what to do, best answers were from the transcendentalist in the early 19th century. Thoreau & Emerson are two influential English authors on it. Their prescription was basically to disengage from society to save yourself from all the negativity it can produce in your life.

I personally couldn't take it to that level, but I do find a $100 tent and a weekend at a national / state park will usually refill my soul for a few months.

As to the long view, society will self correct. If you study the bronze age, classical periods, the renaissance and the enlightenment, it becomes apparent that when things go off the rails, there is always some corrective culture that pulls the world back on track.

The human race will be just fine, just need to find a country or culture that fits your needs. Lots of men feel out of place today. But above all, spend some time by the campfire with the tent. Can really help to reset your perspective.

HotRaise4194 · 2023-07-15T22:21:59+00:00

Until the 10% of men that Women value start offing themselves, society will not wake up because humanity can thrive with the top 10% of men still being here.

UltramanGinga · 2023-07-16T03:19:33+00:00

Legion of men is a great youtube channel I suggest every man here checks him out https://youtu.be/YaQ-Um4Vmoc

SmellyGoat11 · 2023-07-16T04:50:46+00:00

Pendulums. I'm drunk so I'll just say it again. Pendulums. Be the bigger person decades down the line and remind the little ones that awful women were celebrated.

The pendulum is swinging back now, but only awful men are being celebrated (Tate). Speak up. Prevent the world from becoming anybody's world, not just men's or women's.

GT121950 · 2023-07-16T05:19:37+00:00

we have woken up but sadly it seems not enough of society has. political views can effect views on mens rights drastically and due to the media and its algorithms that simply cant happen on a wide scale. not now at least but i still have hope

anonymeaime · 2023-07-16T23:48:53+00:00

Simple. Men can stop dating and marrying. We have this leverage.

wilhelmfink4 · 2023-07-16T02:44:40+00:00

Stop having kids with crazy women it’s so fucking easy

phuk-nugget · 2023-07-15T23:01:55+00:00

The next peer to peer war. They’ll realize reaalllll fucking quick that men provide their only security.

Killersmile60 · 2023-07-17T00:16:50+00:00

Dude, society's already waking up. I look at women these days, and I feel bad for them. They're told their whole life that prince charming is coming and that they're princesses, and when reality smacks them in the face (around 30), the only place they can turn too is the internet.

Feminists are miserable, self absorbed, narcissists, and when their looks fade, they wind up alone with their cats. That's a majority of women these days, as men aren't marrying them, they're not committing to them, and those 10 years of fun they had between 18-28, when they ignored good men.. they spend the rest of their lives alone paying for it.

What fate would you rather have? One where you go out, work on yourself, build yourself up, hang out with your buddies, and have a good time doing you.. or one where you have no real friends, no family, and you're so miserable and attention starved that you take to tiktok for any ounce of attention you can get.

No brainer. Let the modern ruin herself, she doesn't need any help from men. Oh, and don't forget to enjoy the show.

Aromatic_Ad5473 · 2023-07-16T02:39:16+00:00

We know it’s a problem - what can we do? Force men to go to therapy? How do you do that? The services are out there - men have to take steps to access those services.

If there aren’t enough services available, then Lobby your government, call your politicians, raise awareness

Don’t wait for someone else to do it for you. Be the change you want to see

HumanShark560 · 2023-07-16T17:20:34+00:00

Men are NOT the only ones oppressed. There is some oppression against us...but also against the women too. We have issues that even oppress us both, directly and indirectly. Think about it this way, male cops have shown apathy to another male coming forward to say they've been raped or abused by a woman. Teenaged boys who speak out are told "At least ya got laid" not just by women but by the men as well. Men tell men to "man up" just as often as the women. This is especially true when it comes to older males. The old geezers stupidly are still stuck in a prehistoric mindset.

We men have to start helping each other and using terms like "feminazis" and claiming we're the ones who are oppressed more is not the way. All it does is make it sound like we are playing victim. Think about it this way: It is true that 1 in 6 boys experience some form of sexual abuse, 1 in 4 girls also experience this. The numbers aren't as far apart, but still worth noting. If we highlight the female victims alongside the males, that is how we reach closer to TRUE equality. Cuz we go out of our way to also acknowledge the harm done to females. In short, we display we care about the other side's legit suffering. If we r gonna get mad at women who make it seem like they're the ONLY ones suffering, then the way we can be BETTER is to do what we want them to do, acknowledge and stand against the men who harm them.

We cannot ignore the facts that more than enough men are out there harming women too. The way we help our fellow men, is to show we care for our women as well. THAT is equality.

Sendmeloveletters · 2023-07-16T00:57:28+00:00

When men become men and stop expecting someone else to do it for them. Lead.

sixtysixpixistix · 2023-07-16T20:30:26+00:00

Never. This is the hardest pill to swallow. Society has always been structured this way (gynocentism) and will continue to exist this way in perpetuity.

Love it or hate it, women are the squishy center of our shrinking political world. They alone decide which narrative survives, and counter-intuitively, as a bloc, they will forever remain willfully ignorant to the fact that they hold power so long as the human species exists in this state.

So there's your real answer. Not until we develop synthetic wombs rendering the female sex obsolete will feminism finally die.

Noonbright · 2023-07-19T10:16:31+00:00

With more spreading awareness. With serious discussion. With these issues finally reaching the light of public forum. I think it will happen.

Title	When will society wake up?
Author	Playful-Nature-7034
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Date	July 15, 2023 4:08 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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