The "If men were the ones getting pregnant meme" is infuriating and wrong

rammo123 · 2024-01-08T10:17:06+00:00

Also the meme forgets that there's essentially no gender difference in the approval rating of abortion. Women are nearly as opposed to it as men. It's grossly inaccurate to portray it as something men are inflicting on women.

AskingToFeminists · 2024-01-08T09:16:41+00:00

It's also absurd. The whole sexual dimorphism and the gender roles that developed as a consequence and all of societal attitudes that go along with it stem from the fact that one side gets pregnant and the other doesn't.

If men got pregnant, they would have ended in the exact situation women are in, because, for all intent and purposes, the ability ro become pregnant is what made the biological and social category of women. If it was men who became pregnant, then women would be men, and men would be women.

ajpp02 · 2024-01-08T11:54:10+00:00

Identity politics, in particular this whole battle of the sexes, has ruined the discourse around pregnancy, causing stupid memes like this.

Our entire society, including the concepts of family, child care, and labor rights, was built on the fact that one gender has a babymaker. Nothing would fundamentally change if a different gender had it.

But because “mEn HaVe It BeTtEr,” it leads to stupid Harry Potter-like fantasy world-building like this.

The entire abortion issue is painted this way, and it does a disservice to the actual problem. “It’s all about men wanting to control women,” they say when half of women are pro-life, including many women politicians. “If a woman were in charge, we’d still keep Roe v. Wade,” they say when a woman justice was part of the group that overturned it.

Abortion is restricted not because of gender, per se. Its restriction is related to our system’s reluctance to make healthcare, contraception, and sex ed available to the public regardless of cost, as well as keeping workers in check so that employers wouldn’t have to foot the bill or risk losing an employee to the long and excruciating process.

ArmchairDesease · 2024-01-08T15:54:17+00:00

Pure delusion.

If men were the ones getting pregnant, we'd have mandatory pregnancy for every man between 18 and 29, with harsh punishment for "pregancy-dodgers".

Guaranteed.

Gender-specific obligations are widely accepted by the public when they are directed at men. They are unacceptable when directed at women. See duty of child support, even in cases of forced sex, and compulsory military service all over the world.

Present_League9106 · 2024-01-08T15:00:55+00:00

Can anyone verify whether or not women's health care is taken seriously or not? One of the comments suggested that the reason men die younger is because they consider being healthy to be feminine (sounds like complete bullshit to me). They also say that women die more from poor medical care and that generally, women's healthcare is worse than men's because they tend to study men rather than women. Can anyone verify or refute this? It sounds like bullshit and I want to see something substantial that isn't just feminist propaganda.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2024-01-08T16:49:17+00:00

How is the US lax on that matter? A fine of up to $250,000 and/or 5 years imprisonment plus disqualification from most federal benefits and employment (and state benefits and employment in some states) hardly seem lax to me.

Also, I wonder, does disqualification from federal employment also include elected office? I know it does in Mexico, which I find extremely unfair, since it means men are disqualified for refusing to do something that women legally don't have to do in the first place.

Fantredath · 2024-01-08T09:31:40+00:00

No. Men get none. The only thing you can do is use condoms and those aren't real contraception like the birth control pill, or an IUD, or the Hormone implant in the arm.

Condoms are a joke. The only thing they're good for is attempting to protect against disease, and they aren't even good at that, because they break all the time, making them basically useless as both disease prevention, and birth control.

Men have no reproductive rights. It's the real reason the Right-wing nut jobs overturned Roe vs Wade. They did it because it gave Women rights that Men don't have, and if the Feminists want it back, they need to agree to change all the other Laws that are unfair to Men and Fathers and parental and reproductive rights.

At a minimum they need to support Men having the right to "The Paper Abortion" called Legal Parental Surrender, where a guy that doesn't want children signs away all parental rights to a baby a woman is pregnant with, in order to not be held liable for child support or any other parental responsibility.

If Women can choose that they don't want a baby after they get pregnant, Men should have the same option. No more Women lying about taking the pill, getting pregnant, and either trapping a Man in marriage, or forcing him to pay child support when He had no intention of having a child.

They're all Strong Independent Women now. If they make the choice to keep the Baby and the father doesn't want a child, they can work and make money for child care, and take care of the child on their own. "WOMEN DON'T NEED MEN" anymore. I've heard this for decades now, now it's time that Women prove it.

Clockw0rk · 2024-01-08T12:08:16+00:00

It's just more Female Supremacist dogma and rhetoric, distracting the masses from the actual issues of Religious and Capitalist overreach.

Capitalism can't exist without perpetual growth, which is why the billionaires are starting to fear monger that we're all going to perish due to a so called population deficit. The machine needs human blood to run, and babies are its fuel; it just so happens that religion works as a taboo shield from scrutiny as it proselytizes "life is sacred" while simultaneously sidestepping taking responsibility for life once it's born.

The cruel reality is that if men also gave birth, they still wouldn't have any rights, because rights are purchased first and foremost by the rich. It's by design. That's what capitalism is, "might makes right" but with imaginary numbers. Rich women don't *have* to care about abortion because they've never had problems getting adequate medical care. The same would be true if men got pregnant.

Abortion is more a poverty issue than a woman's issue, change my mind.

But it's not a competition of 'who suffers more'.

The issue of parenthood, and abortion, needs to be both destigmatized, and degendered. Losing a child, if that's what your mind has latched on to, could be just as devastating to a person as a deadly tumor. Conversely, having and supporting a child, is a monumental task that not everyone is prepared or fit for.

It's my belief, that if a person is contracted into a civil union under the eyes of the law, then both parents must sign off on the termination of an unwanted fetus. We have to treat this as a reasonable arrangement between responsible adults. True reform includes being able to opt out of parenthood from either, or both, parents after birth. It's unfair to everyone for a child to grow up unwanted, and with a reformed adoption system, unwanted children could be rehomed to healthy family situations.

"My body, my choice" is regressive, female supremacist reductionist nonsense. You made your choice when you consented to sex, particularly if you didn't use protection. It became a couple's issue the second you fucked.

Women shouldn't be able to erase their partner from the picture as several week later regret birth control when it's impossible for men to do the same. Arguing the alternative is enforcing the belief that women should have inalienable rights above and beyond men.

We call that Female Supremacy.

Disastrous-Pace-1929 · 2024-01-08T21:02:33+00:00

Since men don’t currently have any post conception reproductive rights, I think it’s clear that things would be more strict if men got pregnant. Society bends over backwards to help women. Take safe haven laws, to help women who don’t want their babies. For men, dumping a baby in a dumpster would never result in a law to help men who don’t want their babies. It would result in laws to create harsher punishments.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2024-01-08T20:40:33+00:00

I totally agree with your sentiment. If society cared as much about men's reproductive rights as feminists say it does, legal paternal surrender would have been legalized decades ago and protected by a constitutional amendment in the U.S.

Murky-Eagle4084 · 2024-01-08T21:26:39+00:00

God, so many of the comments on that post are just genuinely infuriating, you can't even bring up men's health issues without feminists and their ally's either turning the conversation back around to women or blaming men for problems they face. It's just ridiculous at this point.

Future_Adagio2052 · 2024-01-08T22:04:19+00:00

Jesus some of the victim-blaming shit in the comments🤦‍♂️

Delicious-Tea-6718 · 2024-01-08T22:33:58+00:00

If men where the ones getting pregnant they would be women. The only reason we have this "battle of the sexes" is because men and women some times face a different set of problems. The only real difference between people is that some people can get pregnant, others can impregnate. If what we normally call women were the ones doing the impregnating they would start facing the advantages and disadvantages that follows with that. And would culturally start to align with others that face the same conditions. If paternity fraud was on the table for women it would surely start to affect the way they think about the world and society etc

TisIChenoir · 2024-01-09T10:46:45+00:00

If men were the ones getting pregnant, women would be the ones fighting wars and building skyscrappers.

hendrixski · 2024-01-10T12:02:28+00:00

If men were the ones getting pregnant then men would not be singled out for conscription, or for dangerous tasks at work, or for longer commutes which Keats to higher accident rates, or for... etc.

Title	The "If men were the ones getting pregnant meme" is infuriating and wrong
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If men were the ones getting pregnant then men would not be singled out for conscription, or for dangerous tasks at work, or for longer commutes which Keats to higher accident rates, or for... etc.