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[–]moderndaygenghis 46 points47 points48 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
What age?? Dude I am 38... Single and mostly doing Game all the time.
It's just a mental block.
[–]theburneraccountplz 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
What kind of venues do you go to?
Also. Thank you.
[–]moderndaygenghis 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Online dating. Daygame - - they are everywhere. Whenever I see someone I approach. I strike out more than I win. Occasionally I go to bars (but very rare)
[–]Andress1 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
They say the success rate is about 2-3%. That's 1 in 50 or 33.
I don't think that's too bad
[–]moderndaygenghis 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Daygame?? It depends. 1 in 50 is too low. Ideally 1 in 10 good approaches.
[–]Andress1 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I was watching a video from Kevin Samuels and he said that the top pickup guys in the world had 10% so I don't know.
[–]moderndaygenghis 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Here's the thing -- most of my rejections are from girls with boyfriends or married. And sometimes they just don't want to talk to anyone.
But for every single chick I approach, my number close ratio is 50%.
However, converting to dates is another problem. Daygame has the lowest conversion rates than online dating
[–]Andress1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What are good places for a good conversion rates to meet women in a cold approach way?
[–]g3wb3r -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cold approach works good in nightlife depending on the venue ... cold approach in the daytime is very inefficient in my experience .. in the daytime I atleast look for eye contact and then say hi .. no eye contact no nothing i don't approach
[–]epimpstyle -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I always say that even if the chances are 1% does worth trying. All you have to do is to be rejected 99 times ... If you have 3-4 rejections/day it means that in the next month you are not alone :-)
If you go into a bar full of fake clients and escort girls, you will feel like you are a god of seduction otherwise it is not that easy.
[–]forwardistheway 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are a young Socrates. I totally feel the mental block. Was it just experience and dealing with rejection that knocked it down?
[–]moderndaygenghis 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Over the years have had series of successes. So I just think about all the positives rather than the immediate rejection that could happen
[–]rjones416 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
do you tell women your real age?
Yes... Why should I hide or lie about it
[–]Puzzled_Nail_1962 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Your age is just an excuse you're making up not to do it. If you were younger you'd think of something else that gives you a reason not to.
[–]theburneraccountplz 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s true.
I have to try.
[–]ozzzy83 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, that was my case too. I was always finding excuses. When I was 17-22 yo, I was like, eh, I'm too young to approach, and most girls are older than me anyway (but I did an online game at that time, and had dates), then I improved and had a lot of success after 25 yo up until 38 yo, aka now. Now I'm in some awkward phase in life as if I lost my mojo, so I'm now like, I'm too old for most girls, blah blah, but ofc, just a lame excuse for me to not approach. So I must find my way back, lol.
[–]forwardistheway 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Truth.
[–]Chicagoj1563 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm older than you and this is how I see it.
Learning game is like solving a puzzle. Each little sticking point, for everything you feel you can't do, or don't know how to do, or are worried about, there is a solution to it. For every single sticking point there is a solution. You just haven't figured it out yet. In other words, there is a communication style you can adapt that will get conversations to hook with girls that are younger than you. And you can approach with confidence. There is a way to do this. But, you have to field test different things until you figure it out.
You don't need any special tricks to do this. But, you do need to approach, get feedback, make adjustments, try again, etc...
Its mostly inner game that is your current problem. Your are focused on the outcome, so you are in your head and worried about what may happen. You need to develop your mind so that you look at approaching younger women as a fun activity you can do. Even rejections. Frame it all as a fun learning experience. Again, you are trying to solve a puzzle.
Here are a few fundamentals you may consider:
I can go on and on with all these details. You really just want to adapt the right mindsets, and go have fun talking to girls. Get serious about identifying what to improve when you write field reports. But, don't take anything serious when you are approaching. Keep it fun and light.
[–]forwardistheway 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hardcore on focusing on the outcome being a killer. Makes you look like you have an objective. Women aren’t a fan. Lots of good advice here.
[–]theburneraccountplz 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is actually amazing. I’m revisiting what you’ve said here and this is more of what I’m looking for cause I’m still new to this.
[–]nycthrow99999 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m 33. You’re good dude, I promise. Don’t think of things in terms of “approach” or “game.” Just think of it in terms of talking to people. Could be anywhere. I banged a girl I was on jury duty with earlier this year lol
[–]skyman583 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Was she hot?
[–]nycthrow99999 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah lol she was actually really hot
[–]ChiefGentlepaw 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i recommend you keep doubting yourself until you can look back in regret/disgust... its pretty motivating
[–]lannisteralwayspay 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro I’m 31 and have plenty of success. I’m the best I’ve ever been, mentally and physically. I’m a machine. I say this not to brag, but to let you know that your best years are still ahead of you. Take a look at the big post in my account to read my recent experience, and DMs are open if you need to chat.
[–]ctrain6676 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Read this affirmation (or a similar one) daily:
I am young, in good health, and am in the prime summer stage of my life. Because of this reason I can embark on any journey I wish, I can do anything, and my age does not limit me from the countless possibilities. I still have the majority of my life ahead of me.
[–]Unusual-Proceedure 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Advices like this are so wholesome and rare. I'm gonna take it!
Thanks.
[–]potatoeswithfries 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's just in your head. It's not weird, you're just not used to it.
I started practicing seduction years ago, but only really went at it hard and started going out almost every day when I was 33, so if you start now you're still ahead of me (and many others).
Also, I do daygame exclusively - I don't drink alcohol, so I don't go to bars much, there's just no point in going somewhere JUST to practice pickup if you wouldn't go there otherwise.
[–]Milksteaknow 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, you’re simply making an excuse
[–]abhilives -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
32 is a great age, you're sorted, your insecurities are largely dealt with and you will be reasonably economically stable.
You will attract women from 20 onwards, you can take your pick.
Try social events, art exhibitions, comic cons, book shops, cafes, or any place that caters to your hobby.
[–]Mobile_Glass6680 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
just get on onlyfans
[–]DankCommander7 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The dating pool will just get worse as u get older. In a few years it will be nothing but single moms.
[–]JGoonSquad -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What is there to learn? PUA is mostly filled with grifters trying to exploit you for cash. Learn the basics about what women find attractive in men. A good book is the evolution of desire by David Buss. Try to max out your life and become the best man you can. I don't recommend spending countless hours chasing tail. It requires a lot of time and effort and is mostly a fruitless endeavor. Even if you do get women to like you, they have a bazillion other options and will probably end up flaking on you. Hate to say it but the modern dating scene is rigged against men. I know guys don't like hearing that but it is. If you're feeling lonely try to make a couple of good male friends or work on your relationships with your family.
[+]SocialDominanceHiear -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
32 is kind of missing the boat. This is a young man's game. Did you not have any interest in girls when you were younger?
I did. But I was in circumstances that didn’t allow for me to live normally. E.g. three jobs, university. And to be fair I had a long term relationship who totally messed me up.
[–]DeanG30 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
First part of mastering this stuff is realising right away that nothing is going to take away the way you feel weird about approaching someone that isn't in a bar.
People can and do spend years and years trying to find material or some type of inner game trick to take away that feeling, but the truth is it will not go it is something that you have to face the way around it is to go through it, you have said in your post you want to figure it out which means you are committed. I am not gonna lie you are gonna feel a bit awkward, day time approaching comes with more social pressure then in a bar at night but you have gotta say to the thoughts inside your head and the feelings in your body that tries to deflate you to shut up and simply do it anyway, then over time you will start to notice you no longer feel weird and you will now be able to not only enjoy the process but learn. If you want specific advice on approaching in the day feel free to DM me bro.
[–]Gmonkry 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I could use some pointers on how to systematically force myself to face those feelings. I’ve been practicing asking girls and groups of girls the time…
[–]DeanG30 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Forcing yourself to face those feeling is possible by using extreme will power and having the resilience to keep a clear picture in your mind of who you are as a person whilst also regulating your emotional state into that of a positive one, by the use of motivational music, podcasts and hypnotherapy, which all of this these methods are readily sold to people trying to learn how to become better at the game,
However mastery is achieved in a lot more elegant and simple way, this it to realise why would you want to force yourself in the first place!
Remember this is a skill set you are looking to learn the ability to approach a stranger you have never met before cannot be learnt on the level of thought and conceptualisation.
It can only be learnt through your human instinct and courage to express that in an action, the trouble is the thoughts in your mind of who you think you are is getting in the way of your natural instinct to want to meet someone.
You are telling yourself a story of how you are practising your approaches and building your social skills in your case by asking the time.... let go of all of this, and just see person you want to speak to and let your legs do the rest. Walk up and say what ever comes out...... if that is nothing, awesome, If it is i wanted to say Hi, then awesome. if you want to ask the person the time it has to be because you want to ask them the time otherwise it will be a technique and a thought process therefore it will contain the very part of you that has to force itself
Yes when doing this you may feel awkward, but ask yourself what part of you is feeling awkward? what you will find, it is your mind that feels awkward, and guess what, this is ok!
Do not try to change how you feel.
By repetition of this realisation and action the brain will calibrate and your approaching will naturally become smoother, thus equalling positive responses from the people you approach.
For further clarification of this feel free to DM me
[–]SilentJoe008 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Letting go Having references
[–]Andrew54321 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The magic of thinking big, chapter 2: excusitis, the failure disease
[–]mmlh5011 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have a listen to the alpha male 2.0 podcast on this. Basically there are 20% of women that love an older man.
[–]Repulsive-Fee393 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be Cocky
[–]Environmental_Cress2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
always start small
[–]Zealousideal6669 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you think it's really gonna come off as weird or creepy so is just a mental shift that is the most natural thing in the world and also a saying to keep in mind. I make no apologies for my desires as a man and pls live by that
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