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[–]Merkaaba 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I've been having more success when I don't make sex my M.O.
Idk man I've notice more women trying harder to get laid when I'm just being friendly. They'll start being obvious with their flirting.
I'll invite them over to play games or cuddle if I feel like it and we go from there.
It's an automatic turn off if they sense that's what you want most. So try your best to make casual, light and fun. Like you don't care one way or another. It'll make them feel much more comfortable and interested.
[–]nikelaos117 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I got so used casually/platonically hanging out thinking that being too forward would be a turn off that I totally missed the signs from one date that she was ready to go. Didn't tell me til after the fact lol
[–]Iamtheonlyho 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the way.
[–]PM_ME_FEMALE_ASS 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You need to get out of your own head. Focus on developing and improving yourself as a man. Work towards your goals (not just sex). Take things as they come. You'll be alright dude. Chill
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[–]PM_ME_FEMALE_ASS 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All g brother. We're all gonna make it
[–]ibanezrg89 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
I cant help you guys based on the little information you provide. You really need to post a picture to get an real helpful advice. Otherwise ppl are just goin to tell you the same generic bullshit that isn't going to work anyway.
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[–]Demonarke 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bro, I'm not even lying, you are very attractive, you have the surfer look which would probably attract a lot of women if you had the confidence to boost it up.
Yowzoow is probably right about online dating, but you can definitely hook up IRL.
[–]dheidjdedidbe 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks. I tried online after having nothing but rejections IRL and all of my girlfriends told me that I would slay online.
I have the confidence IRL. Girls just tell me that they don’t see me sexually even after being flirty with me.
[–]Demonarke 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's probably more about your personality than looks, trust me, I used to think I was ugly, then I started being flirty, teasing, and daring, and suddenly I realized I wasn't ugly, I just didn't have game.
The most effective technique with women is the pull/push one, where you basically tease her a lot and then out of nowhere you do something kind for her, then tease her again.
Women like excitement, and they like to feel things, if you're always nice to a girl you become predictable, and she will get bored of you, same as if you are too much of an asshole, It's all about finding the perfect balance between being a douchebag, and being a pushover. (Although being a pushover is much more punishing than being just an asshole)
[–]ibanezrg89 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You have a look that would fit well here in Austin. But were full and its expensive lol
[–]dheidjdedidbe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah. I can easily go to Portland if I want to be an expensive hipster for the weekend.
[–]YaboiVane 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You’re not ugly at all my dud id recommend moving to anywhere that has less white people and u will slay lol
[–]dheidjdedidbe 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I’m not really attracted to non white girls. How can I change that?
Also I live in the PNW and work in forestry so I am sort of stuck here for work unless I change my entire career and go back to college.
I mean there is the south, I’d have work there but I would have to give up my skiing and mountain climbing hobbies.
[–]YaboiVane 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Damn bruh there’s so many fine Latinas out there lol here in Houston u would slay and Latinas are to me much more attractive than white girls and less basic looking.
I just don’t know what I would do for work.
I work in forestry so I would have to go back to college and change fields. Also would have to give up hobbies.
Thanks for the suggestion I will start to look into options to get out of the northwest.
[–]lalita33 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
im laughing at this because im latina and was about to leave a comment that he’s cute and should be getting girls with no problem
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yea white girls are basic. Unlike Latina girls who all have the same brown hair and brown eyes. 😂 You can appreciate a group without tearing down another.
[–]YaboiVane 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How u mad at my preference brah. Stay happy with being the beauty standard.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have my own preferences. Everyone does. Nothing wrong with that at all. And I’m certainly not the beauty standard. 😂 I think a lot of people consider latinas to be the beauty standard these days. Nothing wrong with that either. But I don’t openly trash Asian dudes just cuz I don’t prefer to date them.
[–]emperatrizyuiza -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Latina isn’t even a race and come in all different shades, racial backgrounds, hair colors, and hair textures. You sound hurt
Not at all. I love women. And embrace our differences. I could give a fuck about racial background. Just pointing out how absurd his comment was.
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[–]dheidjdedidbe 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for being brutally honest. How can I change myself to not be a nerd?
All my pics got a 9+ on photofeeler so that’s on me for believing I was attractive.
Day game has only led to hundreds of rejections, hence why I tried online.
Moving isn’t really an option. Work is here and Moving would result in me losing my decent salary. I also don’t know where I could move to.
Where would I have any value?
[–]PondScum420 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You only look nerdy in the second photo down. Maybe make your profile a little more provocative? Also try tinder and hinge as well. I feel like most regions will be dominated by one of the three.
[–]dheidjdedidbe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I have both tinder and hinge and have the same (zero likes or matches) results.
I see what your saying with the second pic. It was a photo shoot for college graduation. When I dress nice that’s what I look like. Jeans, boots, wrangler pearl snap shirt.
I don’t know how to be more provocative in text really. I’m not the best flirt irl either.
[–]PondScum420 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hmm, are you in a rural area then? Not much you can do if there’s just not that many people there. I’m a vagabond but I spend some of the year in Lake Tahoe and never have much luck versus loads of luck in cities
[–]dheidjdedidbe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m in the western PNW. I pick up several large cities and live in a city myself (well outskirts).
Oddly enough, while not vegabond, I have traveled extensively in college. I actually got likes sent my way when I was in “small outdoorsy towns” (Tahoe is still massive compared to where I grew up) like Tahoe, Jacksonhole, and aspen, to name a few.
[–]PondScum420 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Interesting. Well man, I wouldn’t take it too personally, there’s nothing glaringly wrong about you or any real red flags. Here’s an idea: do two truths and a lie on your profile, it’s a good way to make yourself more intriguing. Maybe drop some stuff about how you traveled. I think you’re most likely an interesting person but it’s just not coming through on your profile.
[–]Demonarke 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
IRL, find some work or a hobby with women around, act confident, be daring, women will flock to you, you are definitely not ugly.
[–]dheidjdedidbe 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have done that for years and have seen no results. Hence why my friends told me to try online.
I have been told girls would flock to me for years and it hasn’t happened yet.
[–]Demonarke 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, one thing you need to understand is that you are far from being alone, most guys struggle to get girlfriends, only the top 10% of men get laid easily, the rest of us have to prove ourselves daily, which can be exhausting.
Maybe you are too kind with girls, I've seen that most guys who have trouble scoring are guys who have trouble saying no to girls, and who have trouble being a bit of a douche.
You don't need to be evil but you need to be interesting, and you need to not be predictable, a girl must always wonder what's your next action going to be, if she expects you to just do whatever she wants then you become predictable and boring.
I am 6’2” white, not autistic or weird. Frankly and normal guy. Normal testosterone I believe.
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[–]jayjonas1996 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
25m V here and I’m frustrated as well, am extremely desperate now I’m in grad school surrounded by freshmen girls and just can’t go beyond small talk.
I don’t know if I’ll ever succeed but I’m trying to learn day and night from books and youtube and working out like crazy everyday now.
I lack flirting, escalation and showing intent so will focus next on that. Hope we both get there soon brother.
[–]ChewyButterMilk 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Practice makes perfect
[–]porn-chicken 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your issue is confidence.
You are sabotaging yourself by going through life with timidity. Challenge the assumptions from your post ("I can't compete with other men" and "I'm nonexistent to women").
Challenge means to do things that someone who didn't believe those things would do. Ask yourself "what would I do in this scenario if..." when you are presented with an opportunity.
You commented that you get matches - thats a positive sign. You just need to get out of your own way.
[–]Philipparty 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any female friends? Even better if you have any attraktive ones.
Yes, I know the friendzone is a scary possibility, but a good first step is to become existent in some womens worlds. If you work on being your best self at the same time they might even introduce you to girls.
Asking girls on dates is a good next step. Youve allready set the "were here cause i like you" frame and that does a lot.
Go to parties and just chat up tons of women. Statistically you will get laid.
Lastly, take people who get laid and add some of their attitude and personality to you.
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I don’t have female friends.
[–]Philipparty 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then that is a great first goal. Get some femeale friends. And im talking frineds, not hopefull aquaintances. Hang out, talk deep, see their perspectives on life. Not only is variation good, but youll get emotionally closer, which often helps yourself in general.
Unless you lack friends in total. In that case, id recomend starting there. Google groups with your interest and try to meet up.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That’s a dangerous take to think if you chat up a bunch of women, one is bound to sleep with you.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, statistically speaking, one of those women could also be a serial killer. Stay strong brothers and use both of your heads equally to make decisions.
Very true, it just helped me in the beginning. I was obsessing over losing my virginity, and losing it was the best way to see how unimportat just sex was. I was told it a million times, but sometimes emotions and boas gets in the way. (Late answer, deleted reddit for a while)
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well, keep working on your interactions. You're only 23. You have plenty of time to get this part of your life handled and what is true now might not be true for you in 2 years. Off the bat, if a girl is sending you nudes, my question is why a date didn't happen a short time after that rather than letting several weeks pass. I'm also curious how you asked her out. Straight up asking her to hookup, for instance, would prob not be the move, either.
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[–]WestwardAlien 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Logistics is the biggest excuse to ever excuse. At least be honest and say you were to scared to initiate. Being honest with yourself is a big step in the right direction
[–]Careless_Mushroom431 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Have you tried any dating apps?
Yes. I get matches but they usually always never go anywhere.
[–]dheidjdedidbe 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can’t miss what you have never experienced. I see people say they are touch starved and I can’t even relate to that.
Sure I can imagine what a hug is like but because I’ve never experienced one, I can’t miss it.
[–]Meaningless_Ninja 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm 20 M virgin and really proud to be a virgin so that I can give my virginity to the girl i love.
[–]Iamtheonlyho 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
When you chase something, it tends to run from you. Stop chasing.
[–]itzReborn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I mean what about someone like me then? He out there putting himself out there and chasing while I’m not putting myself out there. What’s the middle ground
[–]Iamtheonlyho 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Middle ground is just to do you. Once you do you, others will be interested and want your attention - at least that's how it goes for me.
Let me explain where I'm coming from and my situation. I personally enjoy being around people, but being by myself. So when I go out, I go out to have fun by myself only, and could care less about anyone else. Somehow, some way I have luck that someone is interested in what I'm doing, albeit alone. It typically leads into a conversation of some sort - and then take it from there however you may. I like to go out and do photography,or take myself to dinner, go to a coffee shop and read a book or just have a drink by myself and people watch. I'm also pretty friendly where I just say Hi to everyone.
I used to go out in search of meeting people or wanting attention, and I would get frustrated or depressed if my goal wasn't met. So I just reversed it and learnt to be content with myself - and the rest became history when I didn't have any expectations.
You cannot expect someone else to make you happy, when you cannot make yourself happy. Once I learnt to be happy by myself and enjoy my own company, the rest around were just a blur and background noise. Now I got to choose which background noise I wanted to focus on. You'd be surprised how many people are freaked/scared of doing things alone, people actually admire that.
If I do end up in some deep conversation and all the sparks is going off, I typically still just thank them for the good conversation and start to leave without pursuing anything. 7/10 they give me their number and ask to meet again, this is with both women and men - some men just want to have a good chat,and I've made some good friends that way.
Hope that sheds some light.
[–]itzReborn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ah so your kinda like the complete opposite of me lol. I rarely go out and im pretty quiet around people and just don’t talk to much people in general so I’m my situation I guess it feels like I have to chase to get somewhere
[–]Iamtheonlyho 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well, I don't go out like super Often. I try to go out or go do something by myself once a week for my own mental health.
You can't expect to meet people if you don't surround yourself with people!
[–]itzReborn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I get you but it’s hard for someone like me to just flip the switch when I never really done it before
[–]Iamtheonlyho 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I also understand that, it probably could do with confidence factor. I wasn't always confident, as a matter of what, my heart still palpates at times.
It's a gradual Journey. Just try doing it step by step, no matter how small that step is. And then gradually work your way up. If you jump in deep, you'll drown in anxiety.
This process and Journey was also a way for me to get over my anxiety and depression. And remember to follow through and set yourself up for success rather than failure.
I do wish you the best! Small steps brother 🤙🏾
[–]itzReborn 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep lack of confidence and putting myself out there are hopefully my main problems. When I get good pictures of myself I wanna try dating apps and just try to get low effort dates (meeting for coffee, going to the park etc) and then go from there. Hopefully my plan works lol
[–]norwegiandoggo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How do you deal with not getting sex?
Try to get sex, try to improve mental health, try to improve happiness, read books, hit on women, travel, enjoy life, learn some shit, take an education, get a job, travel, read, work out, learn a new skill, find good porn and jerk off, hit on women again, try to figure out what you're doing wrong, get some friends etc.
[–]safety_transplant 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's very hard, I am not going to lie. Some days you are going to be walking around the mall, looking at happy couples, and feeling nothing but despair. You feel inept not only socially, but deep down in your biology as a defective animal who in unable to spread his seed.
The thing is, however, this will come and go. You can't avoid those feelings, but you can become aware of them and understand their ephemeral nature -- that's a huge part of overcoming accepting any sort of mental anguish.
And when you're not obsessing over sex? That's when you do the things that make you more attractive: get a job you feel good about, go to meetups, exercise, travel, put yourself in social situations.
In time the women will come, just don't torture yourself unnecessarily until that time arrives.
[–]safety_transplant 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No responses? Bad resume. Also, 30 is not enough and you graduated at a rough time economically. It took me years to level-up career-wise. That said, rework the resume and apply to another 30, repeat.
[–]lefthandedaf 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Hit the gym and improve the way you look in every possible way
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[–]lefthandedaf 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s the #1 way to improve, I don’t care what anyone says
[–]NoFapRoadmap 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yup and I didn’t realize this until I started working out but working out is great for your mental health and feeling masculine mentally as well. Heck I’d go to the gym, just to get in a more masculine mindset even if you don’t get sIcK gAinZ brUh
[–]Rikthelazy -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Facts gains for life
[–]Rikthelazy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bruh the gym will forever be life, looks is a priority for everyone that's wants a relationship
[–]lefthandedaf 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We didn’t say that you aren’t. We have no idea. But there is always room for improvement, so take advantage of that.
[–]Dead_Fox77 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then change that. Physical attractiveness is easier to attain for men, compared to women. The things that make men attractive (Physical fitness, hair/facial hair style, clothing) are a lot easier to control than the things that make women attractive. Hit the gym. If you don't like gym workouts (like me) find a sport that you enjoy, and if you play it enough while also pushing yourself, you'll get into fairly decent shape.
[–]lefthandedaf 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with most of this. But for girls, I mean they have more tools at their disposal in my opinion. Nails, makeup, hair, push up bras, form fitting yoga pants, etc. makeup especially. It can turn a 6 into an easy 8.
[–]Pain_Tough 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I read ‘dating for dummies’ and went ballroom dancing. Did fine.
[–]baddog992 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My general advice. Dress to impress. Look good when you go out. Read or watch videos on how to talk to a woman. Reading was key for me. Try to make guy friends. Sometimes they will know a girl who wants to have fun. Try different dating apps. These are just general advice because your short on information.
[–]sjwjs 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If a girl wants to fuck you, she'll fuck you. This isn't something you can really bargain for, play it cool and have zero expectations. Girls are as horny as guys, don't give them a reason not to fuck you, and you'll be fine.
Doesn’t do it
[–]KahnKlingonme -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Focus on bettering yourself..have friends and projects. If that doesn't work buy a doll 🤣
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If sex and losing your V is the #1 priority, go see a prostitute (if legal in your area). When setting it up let them know it’s your first time and hopefully they’ll be a kind enough person to understand that dynamic.
Oh well. There’s plenty of advice out there then. But you seem like the sort of person who needs their hand held. If your priority is sex, with your attitude and personality you’ll get nowhere. Just try being a human being first and connect with woman as humans, not as someone to just have sex with.
[–]Monopoly41[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be more masculine, be more direct. Do not expect to women initiate sex. Well , prob you don’t know how to be those but you can start by small steps like - if you go to a club with a girl and she keeps her distance . Simply and nicely pull her to yourself small by small -if she makes jokes about sex around you but never gives you , tell her “I want you tonight” like a joke. Then act like you gonna get it tonight so she is going to feel it . Etc, etc
I know it sounds easier said than done, but try not to give a shit about having sex, the more you think about it the less confident you will be and the more pressure you will put on yourself.
[–]stanthemilkman88 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Are you in shape?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No. Actually, define “in shape”.
[–]stanthemilkman88 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well maybe there is a connection to that and never getting laid. Go to the gym and start a weight lifting program. Strong lift 5 by 5.
Or you know don't and continue with your subpar experience.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There is no one answer someone on reddit is going to give you. We don’t know you. You have to start looking objectively at your situation and what you want out of it. You can learn how to get laid but is that what youre really going to want once you have it? I lost my virginity at 23 so i can relate. You feel like you’re missing out and you’re on the outside. You really aren’t.
Think about a girl right now, looking out her window. She has a guy that she just can’t get out her mind. Why does she want this guy? He might not be the most smart, handsome, or well paid. Simple answer is he loves women and lets them know it. Not any particular woman. He loves the feminine spirit. He gets a pass.
Lastly, I will recommend Zan Perrion. Like you and me he also was a late to the world of women. His book and lectures really helped me connect with women on a deeper level.
I was here, you’ll get out of it too.
Happy to talk more.
Edit:
Zan did a Reddit AMA on this subreddit years ago. Check it out
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