Leaked video of Mystery workshop from way back in the day. I was very surprised at some parts.

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My take on the video: There was a lot of advice in the video that a lot of PUA companies (Including the big well-known ones) use as the foundation of their 'core principles', but as the same time dismiss Mystery's stuff as 'old school' and how stuff has 'evolved so much from 'the old Mystery days'.

I honestly didn't know that a lot of the concepts Mystery went over were already developed back in the day. From the marketing of a lot of these bigger pua companies, it seems that this stuff has been found out only recently and that it was the people at their company who figured it out.

It seemed that while Mystery would give a lot of free advice, he would save up a lot of the more advanced concepts for his workshops and bootcamps, so most people wouldn't know about them. Then these new companies with people who studies under Mystery, they take some of that info and give it away for free as marketing for their products.

/rant

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Just understand that from a marketing standpoint, these guys have to make it appear that every single year a BRAND NEW OMG MIND SHATTERING BREAKTHROUGH occurs, or else their company will stop growing.

I see, so some new stuff has been found but nothing amazing. I didn't watch the video, which is why I asked because the OP made it seem like it was all the same stuff.

Tofu, how do you feel about this whole thing being such a huge money making business? Do you have any reservations about this? Do you feel like some of the money they're charging towards some of these guys is..a bit much..possibly taking advantage of them or do you feel like they're helping people? I'm just curious of your opinion.

We're assuming these guys aren't really aware of the amount of free knowledge they can get on the internet.

RSD and David D's inner game stuff is very separate from Mystery Method.

Adam Lyons' work on Entourage Game and Social Proof game.

David Wygant and Love Systems' continuing work on day game.

Jeffy & Tyler from RSD's whole "beasting in the club" stuff.

I like how you listed what was different, thanks. :)

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Tofu, how do you feel about this whole thing being such a huge money making business? Do you have any reservations about this? Do you feel like some of the money they're charging towards some of these guys is..a bit much..possibly taking advantage of them or do you feel like they're helping people? I'm just curious of your opinion. We're assuming these guys aren't really aware of the amount of free knowledge they can get on the internet.

Personally, I am totally cool with the commercial side of it. As with any business, especially one heavily e-marketed with SEO and what not, there will be tons of bottom feeding snake oil salesmen. But I would say products like Magic Bullets, The Blueprint Decoded, David Wygant's series, and others are worth every penny, even if that means hundreds of dollars.

I'm a business owner myself and you have to understand the difference between making a solid product and then the marketing methods you must employ in order to sell that product. The truth is it's very difficult to make money in the seduction business without promising "Bang any girl you see!"

Even guys like Ross Jeffreys and Owen Cook (RSD's Tyler Turden) will happily admit, on camera and in their own products, that they have to word it that way in order to push product. I don't fault them for it one bit.

As for the free information on the internet... If we're talking legal methods, no one has or ever will organize as many resources in such a concise way as the professionals. For a lot of people (myself included) it's worth paying a premium for quality presentation. Also I'm not a big fan of piracy, especially in an industry as tiny as the seduction world. That being said, it's possible some of the schools will be providing some free introductory materials for us to include on seddit. I am still in talks with them, but it should speed the ramp-up for guys a bit and be good marketing for them. A win/win.

Lastly, I think bootcamps can be incredibly valuable. A lot of guys need someone throwing them into sets and telling them what moves to make in order for mental breakthroughs to occur. Peeling off years of social conditioning and limiting beliefs takes a tremendous amount of effort. Having a personal support system to propel that effort is worth the money for a ton of guys.

As with anything, though, buyer beware.

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Adam Lyons' work on Entourage Game and Social Proof game.

All based on MM, just focusing on some of the concepts (social proof / preselection)

David Wygant and Love Systems' continuing work on day game.

I don't read Wygant but all love systems stuff (even the daygame) is basically MM, with minor modifications.

Jeffy & Tyler from RSD's whole "beasting in the club" stuff.

Don't know what this is, but RSD basically just seem to take other people's ideas, rename them so they sound cool instead of scientific like other PUA jargon (e.g. woo).

Inner game has become a lot more important these days. Mystery was purely outer game.

There are two main approaches to seduction:

Attraction via stealth (withhold validation, subtle DHV spikes, get them to chase). This is the bulk of all of the seduction stuff out there, and I don't think there's been anything useful / game changing added since MM.
Attraction via sexual arousal / tension (more overt, focus on getting her horny, escalate fairly fast, no need to get her to chase you). Examples of this are Gunwitch, 60 years of challenge.

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Here is Mystery's first post ever, btw. Pretty epic:

Mystery Sep 4 1998, 4:00 pm

I am a pick-up artist.

I'm not a player, but I have devoted a large portion of my time to the art of seduction. I have read many books, I dress cool, have many girlfriends and believe to be rather charming at times. However, I feel very much alone in this art. My friends do not enjoy the 'chase' at all. I attempt to advise them on the reasoning behind the techniques but they just freeze up. I had a tough time going to grips that I am what I just said I am. Why? Well, saying you are one will not increase your chances of getting a woman attracted to you. Truth is though, I have had sex with 56 girls so far (well less, but I include oral sex and other such pleasures as sexual - you know, if you don't have condoms you can always find other ways to please eachother) and many have been beautiful. I mean 10s! I am very good at what I do. With the risk of sounding arrogant, I am the best pick-up artist I've ever met :) It IS an art. I worked very hard to get good. There are many RULES I may drop here on NG. Please take them only as considerations. They are MY RULES and they have helped me greatly.

My point? I wish I knew other men like myself who enjoy picking up women. For the sport. I enjoy friendly challenges but my friends have all conceded defeat. They enjoy coming out with me for the entertainment value but when they have the opportunity to approach a woman, they freeze up. Its not all that fun. I enjoy their company but cannot LEARN from them. I honestly feel like I am a MASTER at this ... not because I can get any woman (that is not possible when so many variables are outside of my influence) but because the seduction is so controlled and smooth (not sleezy but rather natural). I have considered writing a book on it. Thing is, I have made notes on my girls issues on a computer scheduler after every time I went out and I built up a good outline to say the least. My 'approach' for the book would be different than the other books in that there is a natural FLOW that takes place. I wrote the stuff more for ME, so I really dont have an interest in writing a book for others. I will however, impart some minor pearls of wisdom from time to time here. I hope I may converse with other artists who truly enjoy the game.

It is a very simple system really:

find
meet
attract
close

Say it with me, find, meet, attract, close. Find, meet, attract, close.

The details and subtilties however are the meat of the system.

Mystery

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Here is his second post. For the rest, go to the archives.

Finding is something that most men think is easy. I find this to in fact be the most difficult of the four phases. I enjoy the company of particularly beautiful women (ratings 9+) and these are for technical reasons (such as ratio to population) hard to come by. I have several thoughts on this but would enjoy anyone's advice on FINDING models and such. I have gone out with models, singers, exotic dancers, bar-tenders, even a private eye :) I must admit I have been with a few not so good looking girls too (my first girlfriend, in retrospect, was a 6!)

'Finding' issues include, increasing your chance of meeting beautiful women, available women, a high enough ratio of women in a given area to increase your statistical chances of the successes (RULE: the more doors you knock on the more will open.)

My #1 annoyance is when I decide to go out and play the GAME, I know that the Game lasts roughly 4 hours a session. Say, a club from 10pm to 2am. It annoys me when I have to waste that valuable time parking the car or waiting in line or having to deal with my friends behaving strangely.

RULE: Plan your stretegy for FINDING women. Know exactly where you intend to go. Know your city. Know the day. Minimize waste of time by getting there a bit early to you can settle in.

RULE: never buy a girl a drink. This makes you seem like every other guy. She may however buy YOU a drink. I get on average 2 or 3 drinks bought for me in a given 4 hour session.

RULE: never drink alcohol when playing the game. Alcohol does NOT loosen you up. If you believe that, you are weak. It is an excuse to alter your feeling of 'fear'. You decrease your statistical chances of success. Sober people have more reaction time with which to process information. "EG: 2 girls, 1 guy ... sitting at a table, guy is sitting closer to the one you want .... what do you do?" When you are drunk, you can't process complex chess game scenarios like this. ANSWER BTW is actually an easy one here: Approach the other girl. Why. She is an obstacle to the other girl. If the other girl IS single, then the 'friend' must approve of your first. Do not HIT on her of course. NEVER hit on a girl actually. Why. Because you may have theoretically assessed the situation wrong and the less goodlooking girl may be going out with the guy. BE attractive but dont hit on anyone. Talk to them and exude charm and confidence and humour and allow her to the opportunity to use her inate powers of seduction on you. Talk to the guy too. Now that you have this girl laughing (although you are not sowing DIRECT interest through any form of sexual enuendo) talk to the guy. Make the guy your friend. See, from his point of view, you are just a cool guy. You are charming and funny and have much to say about his areas of interest. NOW, from the grls point of view, this guy thinks you are cool so you have HIS approval. the friend gave you her approval through laughter. And in the process you found out by asking "So, how do you all know eachother, from work?", all the details you needed to know. If she is in fact free for the taking, you disarmed the potential bombs already. By this time, the others are paying attention to you so the girl you secretly want will begin to feel neglected. Depending on her rating you begin the attack. (8s and under are played out differently than 9+s ... two entirely different strategies. 8s like the attention you give them. 9+s are so used to this attention you must give them 3 negative hits first like "Those are very nice nails you have, are they real?" When she admits they arent (most 9+s have fake nails) you say, "oh. well they're still nice" and then turn away. See what happens in their mind is this: "Most guys think Im the bomb. Im used to that. But this guy doesnt think that. I must have screwed up my first impression image. No worries, Ill just fix that." She now thinks that she can bat her eyes and fix the little smear in her image. You weren't an asshole about it, you just showed her you noticed a flaw but were polite about it. She will try to impress you now. She is chasing you. Do it again; another negative hit. "Ha! Your nose moves when you talk. Its so funny. No, really, its so cute. Ha ha." 9s and 10s don't GET treated this way. HOW? Like a normal friend. Like someone you can joke around with. Thats all they want. To be accepted and this is what you are doing. But she is now even more into fixing the not-so-pristine image she is used to having. So she tries to solve this little issue. And what happens while she's busy solving the issue? Shes talking to you. Conversing. She's interested in making you like HER.

You can NEVER ask a 10 for her #. Why? Because EVERY GUY in the wolrd and his FATHER asks. You are different. You say, "Well, It was really nice meeting you." As you start walking away, you then say, "For an outgoing girl, you are pretty shy afterall." If she is interested in your by now, she will say, "Why?" This is the beginning to flirting. You say, "because I'm leaving silly. :)" This word 'silly' is NEVER used in front of a 9 or 10 from a stranger. so this shows your confidence and coyness ... AND, this is the third negative HIT. Notice none of these NEG HITS are really BAD. They are just not the usual flattery they get from guys. You are now waiting for her to say something - just staring at her. She is on the spot. She is a 10 and she knows it. She has an ego. You never really HIT on her. You were coy. You were about to leave without asking her for her #. She KNOWS you arent like the rest. You MUST have girls chasing you from the attitude you are displaying. If she doesn't say anything ... with regards to her giving you her phone #, say, "Yep. You're shy." and walk away with a smile. However, this isnt likely because she has an ego. In this case you have played on her ego to actually WANT to make you LIKE her and she will now be open to getting together again. See, being on the spot, she has to come up with something very smooth to say to keep her EGO bloated. She is now having to prove her social abilities to you. She is trying to impress you still anyway. Anything she says will come out flirtatiously but you accept it with OPEN ARMS baby. She wants to SHOW you she isnt SHY so she will be BOLD and ask for YOUR #. When she does, say ... "no ... but we can exchange #s. Fair?"

RULE: NEVER give your # to a girl. If you get around to asking for her # and she says, "Ill call you" just say, "no, Ill call you." If she doesnt give her #, she wouldnt call you anyway so just say, "Nice meeting you" and leave. After a girl DOES girl her # to you, you may then write yours for her as you say, "We'll trade ... fair?" She will smile and say, "fair."

"Nice meeting you."

"Nice meeting YOU."

"I'll call you this weekend."

bye

You have just picked up a 10! And SHE chased YOU! And you made her ask for YOUR #. You were hard to catch. She wont forget THAT. You arent an easy guy. You arent like the others. You were a challenge. But she finally WON. Well, hopefully, she still has to call you now! now when you are on the phone with her, you say "You know, you dropped something when we were last together." She says, "what?" You say, "Your conversation with me ... where did we leave off?"

She will um and ah and you say, "Oh yes, we were flirting with eachother. "

Yes Im babbling.

Mystery

PS: the scenario I just told happened to me several times exactly as is ... in fact I swear to 2 days ago this happened. The girl was a 10! TV quality and single-handedly the best looking girl in the club. On the block! Secretly, though I showed this coyness and reserve, inside I'm thinking, "OH GOD! oh god oh god oh god!" I hid it well. I have her #. She will hopefully call me on saturady. If not, Ill wait til sunday to call her.

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Wow, I agree with every word of this except perhaps the no-drinking rule. I find that if nothing else, having a drink in my hand is a very useful prop to keep conversations going. Maybe that's a crutch that I would do better without, but maybe not. I also think the "never" in "never buy a girl a drink" is going too far, but that's not really something I'd take issue with. I agree with the spirit of what he's saying there, if not the letter.

Most of all I agree that "Finding" is the hardest part, and how you need to give attention to 8s but deny attention to 10s. I've said the same thing myself to countless drinking buddies over the years, before I ever knew there was such a thing as a "seduction community". And I've had encounters with 10s play out in exactly the way he describes here. Very interesting stuff.

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Title	Leaked video of Mystery workshop from way back in the day. I was very surprised at some parts.
Author	SpiderFan
Upvotes	36
Comments	48
Date	March 7, 2011 4:22 AM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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