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how are you defining 'game'? It all seems to be 'inner game' nowadays (get a good job, lots of hobbies, 'what you say doesn't matter' etc - ''Once you are happy they'll come to you'' kind of thing) PS - I don't believe that. I have 2 good friends who have EXTREMELY well paid jobs and hobbies etc who haven't got laid in about 5 years

And most old school game stuff (negs etc) have been more or less dismissed as being ineffective.

What things, in your opinion, specifically, should a guy be doing if he wants to 'run game' as opposed to just socialize with a hot girl who he likes. You say you 'taught' your friend. What did you actually teach him? ''Say this. Say that!'' sort of thing? Or more ''ACT like this. Play this kind of character'' Or maybe just tips on body language?

I have my own ideas as to what constitutes as 'game' nowadays, but i'm curious what you think the answer is

I'm physically unnatractive (facially) and find it very hard work and am usually instantly rejected with night game whether I open direct or indirect. I have gotten some lays since learning 'game', but if i'm honest with myself, I don't think of it as skill. I see it as the result of me actually opening girls (thus increasing the chances of stumbling upon a girl who actually thinks i'm good looking. If she doesn't think you're handsome, I don't think one stands a shot)

[–]Blackmagic2132 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Game is essentially the art and science of communicating that you have another chick in your life whether it's reality or not. When a girl interacts with me, her thoughts are usually...man I wonder how many girls he's seeing.

It's the art of hitting on a girl without her being sure that you are hitting on her.

Guy with no game: walks up to a girl, "you have the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen, can I buy you a drink.

Girl: Yeah sure <yawn>

Guy with game: walks up to a girl, *sly smile and says "you seem interesting, what's your name?"

Girl: Do you use that line with every girl?

Guy with game: *smiling "I just met you and you're already busting my balls. Buy me a drink and I might give you a second chance."

Girl: You're funny.

Key tenets of game:

A take it or leave it attitude. Girls need to feel like you can leave them at any moment and get someone better. -Frame control. This is the most important. Most interactions with a girl occurs under the girls frame (ie men supplicating to get into her pants). A guy with game flips the script to his frame. That's essentially how to pass every shit test. I never, NEVER, succumb to a girls frame (I can explain further with examples when needed) -Inner game. This is the attitude of pure confidence and not giving a fuck. This is why I can be an asshole to girls in a light funny way and they still won't leave because they know I don't give a fuck and things will be light with me.

**This is a summary/rough draft as I may have missed key points but I'll write a post daily on here to elaborate.

P.s. the uglier you are, the more effective game is for you as chicks already expect good looking guys to have game. But from you, it'll be a pleasant surprise.

[–]crawleydown1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Game is essentially the art and science of communicating that you have another chick in your life whether it's reality or not.

Interesting definition. I don't hate it.

It's the art of hitting on a girl without her being sure that you are hitting on her.

Hmmm....So what do you think about people like Mark Manson, James Tusk, All of the 'London day game Model' PUA's, Evolution daily etc etc? Basically people who make it VERY obvious that they are indeed hitting on her and are super direct. I could be wrong, but I tend to think that direct is best for daygame, but with night game, you are better off using your 'they don't know whether i'm hitting on them or not' idea (unless you are hella handsome, in which case, i'd argue that that's the far superior way to 'game')

I think about this stuff a lot at the moment.

I started 'game' as an older dude about 14 months ago. I've like 10+ lays in that time (no dates. Just same night lays) but LOTS of rejections. Usually very fast ones. Even with an indirect opener, i'm often ignored, and I can't help but think that it's down to looks, which is a tough pill to swallow, if only because we are always being told by PUA's that looks don't matter (although it's obviously in their best interests to have potential clients believe that!)

Recently, my AA has come back super bad which is my biggest issue right now. I think as a result of like 30 insta rejections in a row over the course of a few nights, as well as seeing girls literally THROWS themselves at me very handsome wingman! It's killed me, lol

[–]Blackmagic2132 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude your batting average is solid man....good job. Rejections are par for the course, rejection is the armor that insulates the player for future battles.

[As for your better looking homie, don't compare yourself to him. Compare yourself to your past and see the progress you've made. I'm not a fan of wings btw]

As for direct game, it's a lower level game why? Chicks are inherently indirect. All their fights with each other are Sarcastic jabs done in an indirect manner. Their language is indirect so they'll melt when you're the rare guy that can speak their lingo.

Looks do matter!! They always do but don't let it discourage you. Find a way to turn that pain into fuel.

For example, when I first moved to LA, I was rejected by every girl in the 1st 6months because I moved to an affluent area where blacks are looked down upon. I went back to the drawing board and got better because I had to otherwise I won't get laid.

It's not easy, it never will be.

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[–]Blackmagic2132 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This is the best question thus far. FRAME IS EVERYTHING.

In an average interaction, 99% of guys are feeding into a girls frame. Nothing turns a girl on more than you not supplicating to her frame.

You can do this in 2 ways. 1) Ignore her frame completely 2) parry her frame and reframe to Your desired outcome.

Example of shit tests and how I reframe them...

Girl: I have a boyfriend Me: I have a goldfish...now that we are talking about unnecessary possessions

Girl: Tell me about yourself Me: Before I do so, what are your thoughts on the movie Black Panther?

Cockblocking friend of the girl I'm courting: She doesn't like player types, so you aren't gonna get any. Me: *smile to my target and say "is she always like this?"

Girl: Buy me a drink Me: You have me mistaken for every other guy out there. Anyways what's that you're wearing?

Girl (Example from this subbreddit): Can I bring my friend to our date? Me: Can I bring my Probation officer?

My examples are weak because I'm just waking up but the whole point is to know that chicks hate, hate having frame control but men essentially force them to. The player who takes away frame control from them and keeps it is the guy they bang 👌🏽

For more examples, please refer to the convo I posted earlier from Hinge.

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Yeah if you're white, tall and good looking...dating apps gives you an unfair advantage.

As for why my opener was a 10, it's because I navigated the beta bait or thirst trap. A beta bait is when a chick posts a sexy pic of her hoping to gain attention.....most guys would probably comment "you have an amazing body"....once you compliment her on a thirst trap or beta bait, you're out.

The correct response to a thirst trap or beta bait is to act like you're gonna give her attention and then divert last minute....that's why my opener was a 10...I pretended to comment on her sexy pic but at the last second, I made it all about the Clouds....I didn't give her the validation that she wanted and now she'll chase me...she can't reject me yet because I didn't shift into her frame.

Hope this explanation helped....happy hunting!

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Its important to realize what im saying and what you are saying. You are saying game gives you 3 points extra. Im saying game helps you regardless of how hot the girl is. Because in the end game can only get you whoever is in front of you whether they are 6 or 10 or whatever. Its status that is the true equalizer because no matter how tight your game is or what your attractiveness number is, if you are not high status this girl will not go for you.

Im willing to bet those “top quality chicks” are just attractive women who have nothing else going for them other than their looks.

Top quality women are women that can do more than suck dick. They are the types that you can bring home to your parents because they have good jobs, haven’t fucked the entire neighborhood, very well adjusted, has class, know to take good care of you, loyal. The list goes on, top quality goes beyond looks, and these women often are high status because they know to keep a high status man they cant just be all good looks.

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A lot of girls seem to be attracted to a cookie cutter look or style that a guy portrays. Women are probably the most picky when it comes to dating or sleeping with another race. Typically there are certain types of white women that are comfortable screwing around with other races, and vice versa amongst black women.

I'm in Central PA. There are a lot of conservatives with old racist ideals. In LA I imagine the picking is much better because you have a larger group of women who all share a broader world view. I'm a black guy, but I look mixed. Light eyes, good hair etc.

The true test of game to me is picking up the type of women who don't normally associate with dating interracial. How do we target these types? Lately I've been picking up a lot of Pakistani and Egyptian women - and no im not buying bottles. At a bar at least you can try to spit game, but when it comes to club life the "exclusives" (any female not normally into your race ) are opened by their perception of your status. They like the photo opportunity, and gradually become more interested in having some small chat.

I have never has any luck closing these "exclusives." My question to you is, do you honestly believe that you are closing the deal on these type of women or do they in fact follow the same pattern described above? Also, have you had any luck talking to Indian or Asian women. You know - the type that is super into white guys?

From reading your description I bet you have a field day with Latina women. Simply because that's what they like. Is your image the Tiger Woods or the Colin Kaepernick? White guys are you the G-Eazy or the Kirk Cousins type? Get where I'm going?...

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Title	New to Reddit/Good Game
Author	Blackmagic213
Upvotes	336
Comments	171
Date	March 14, 2018 3:00 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/84e0zu/new_to_redditgood_game/
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