We need to copy feminism if we are to succeed

63daddy · 2024-07-13T13:53:58+00:00

Feminism has been an incredibly successful lobby, having not just one piece of favorable legislation but many as well being influential in many other ways such as their propaganda being so prevalent on the internet and their control in education. So, I agree it would be good to learn how they gained such power.

However, there are many reasons the MRM can’t just copy feminist tactics to be successful, including the following:

Feminism was able to grow and their propaganda be so accepted in large part because society is so gynocentric. Politicians wanting to win the women’s vote being just one relevant example. Media wondering to feminism, the public groin feminist propaganda, division agreeing women deserve advantages, etc. What helped feminism works against the MRM.
Feminism didn’t need to overcome a powerful men’s movement whereas the MRM has to overcome an entrenched and powerful feminist movement.
Colleges embraced the adoption of women’s studies (feminist) programs in part due to grants by the Ford Foundation (in a successful attempt to get more women in the workforce). The MRM doesn’t have this opportunity.

While there might be something to be gained by studying feminist success, the MRM can’t just copy feminism and become successful for a number of reasons.

Different-Product-91 · 2024-07-13T16:51:02+00:00

Feminism was successful because there were compliant and submissive male idiots to support it. Never would women do anything similar for men, and a lot of fellow men neither. So I doubt that simply copying the strategies of feminism alone will be successful.

MannerNo7000 · 2024-07-13T07:12:35+00:00

We need to collectivise.

Feminists are smart and do this.

Men are far too ‘independent’ and that’s why we have no rights.

Team up or die.

AbysmalDescent · 2024-07-13T21:31:11+00:00

Feminism was as effective as it was because it capitalized on the fact that people already value and care for women, or seek to protect/provide women, in a way that no one has ever really done for men. All feminism did is leverage pre-existing forms of female privilege and power/influence over men, to promote misandry, androphobia, falsehoods and gynocentric narratives. This is not something that men can emulate. Men cannot appeal to empathy or sympathy that does not exist for them, let alone exploit it the way feminism has. The only thing men can do is appeals to reason and truth, or somehow convince women that men are worth protecting or just as entitled to gender equality.

AlternativeRun545 · 2024-07-14T00:04:18+00:00

I don't believe that copying feminism is a good move. The goal isn't to smother society about how oppressed we are while being the driving force behind the establishment, the goal should be true equality. Pointing out disparities between both sexes and fixing them indiscriminately

phoenician_anarchist · 2024-07-13T06:58:28+00:00

From now on we need to copy the feminists in their strategies. Every issue now primarily affects MEN and every issue is primarily caused by FEMINISM, no matter how shaky the proof is.

This is what they already accuse us of doing, why play into their hand and give them ammunition?

I'll be sticking to facts and reason, thanks.

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-07-14T03:42:07+00:00

I refuse to associate myself in any way and form with a feminism. I just deny their position in society. While everything is going down, all I can do is form alliances to create a new community and eventually a new society that doesn't allow Feminism and feminists to be a part of.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-07-14T12:22:55+00:00

Feminists succeed because they have no qualms about falsifying claims, and not telling the truth. Kelly Oliver, for example, advocates for STRATEGIC theories, rather than true theories. https://toxicfeminism.blog/2022/09/30/the-patriarchy/

Most men take truth as an overarching principle for human progress.

Spins13 · 2024-07-13T08:01:38+00:00

Fascism, totalitarianism and tyranny are not beat by becoming a fascist. You fight it with Human Rights and Liberty.

This is not wishful thinking but a History lesson

denisc9918 · 2024-07-13T07:42:44+00:00

no matter how shaky the proof is.

Nope, not me.

tenchineuro · 2024-07-13T17:28:11+00:00

It's too late for that, feminism has already won. But everyone else has lost.

Birthrates and marriage rates have fallen all over the world, but especially in Japan, South Koreaa and Italy. Even then, these countries are making some weak attempts to convince their populations to have children, but they are doing a full court press to empower women and get more women in the workplace.

The men's movement has been telling men that marriage is a bad idea for decades, at least since the 90s, and no one listened, not even men. But a great many men have the message now, they've seen what divorce did to their fathers, friends fathers, relatives and acquanitances. Men now have the idea, a bit too late, but it's thanks to feminism, not the MRM.

The school system is highly female, feminist and anti-male. Boys get punished for just being boys. This is one of the reasons that there are so few men going to college. Admissions preferences for women have been a thing since at least the 1970s. There are thousands of scholorships for women, none for men. The schools will expel a man for an unsupported allegation and do everything they can to harm his reputation. Women can do what they want and they know it. Schools are openly hostile to men and most college age men want nothing to do with colleges and universities.

Empolyers are doing everything possible to not hire men, unless they are minority men theoretically. DEI, Diversity plans and plans to employ more women are everywhere. They are all unconstitutrional, voliate the 1964 Civil Rights Act and they also violate most state constitutions. California passed the 'Women on Boards Act' (SB 826) to force companies to hire more women on their boards of directors. This Act violates the California Constitution, the California Unhrue Civil Rights Act, the US Constitution and the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The State of California is out to get men and the law be damned. This Act was struck down in 2022 for violating the State Constitution, but it can take years for lawsuites against such blatantly discriminatory laws to work their way through the courts. And the issue of standing limits who can sue.

California mostly just ignores ignores any law it does not like. When Prop 209 was passed California's Attorney General publically stated that he would not enforce it.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/California-s-War-on-Prop-209-View-from-the-2748914.php
In his oath of office, California Attorney General Bill Lockyer swore to uphold and defend the Constitution and laws of California, yet the state's chief law-enforcement officer refuses to enforce Proposition 209. Indeed, the attorney general has even stood before the California Supreme Court to demand that the constitutional amendment be interpreted in such a way to water down its protections against granting preferences based on race or sex!

Basically the MRM has had negligable effect. The National Coalition Of Men sued the government because the draft was discriminatory. They won in lower court, but it was appealed to the supreme court, which declined to hear the case claiming that National Defense is a matter for Congress and now no further legal action is possible.

These are just a few items but literally everything is like this. And it's worse in many places like Italy and Canada.

Asatmaya · 2024-07-13T13:05:30+00:00

Nonsense; we win by demonstrating moral superiority, not by abandoning it.

Blauwpetje · 2024-07-14T06:03:06+00:00

Not a bad idea. Homelessness, suicide, loneliness. Once there’s a campaign about it, we can jump on the bandwagon and point out how it especially affects men.

Next, most important step is: preventing that it becomes part of the ‘patriarchy hurts men too’- narrative. The campaigns don’t have to become MRA- campaigns, maybe even better not. Crucial is that they will restore healthy empathy for men and a normal tendency to listen to them.

DecrepitAbacus · 2024-07-15T01:39:30+00:00

Long march.

Stardread1997 · 2024-07-13T16:56:18+00:00

No. We don't need to do anything these women are doing. I can see clearly they are doing wrong. How does me doing the same wrong improve the situation? Nah man.

Saerain · 2024-07-13T19:43:26+00:00

Not today, fedboi.

Twisting_Storm · 2024-07-13T12:13:59+00:00

Nah, the solution to men's problems (aka men's rights crisis) isn't to copy feminism; we just need to fight for a patriarchal society like Islam.

We were good enough before medieval catholic chivralry.

denisc9918 · 2024-07-13T09:10:06+00:00

Everyone needs to see this:

https://youtu.be/4wpca1ZDIRQ?si=xoOdz8yBIaD5HlF7

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2024-07-13T14:33:11+00:00

This implies feminism has succeeded...

IdiotGiraffe0 · 2024-07-14T17:25:36+00:00

But that may have the consequence of turning the society back around against women making them face the stuff that men face today. Which is wrong because that would be just as bad. I support men’s rights because of my views of equality, making men’s lives better than women’s life’s isn’t equality so I wouldn’t stand with it. It isn’t a fight against women. It’s a fight against the inequalities in modern society.

EzraBlaize · 2024-07-14T02:06:29+00:00

Feminism was successful because of weak and absent fathers not leading their homes properly.

You see seeds of that infesting your wives and daughters? You shut that shit DOWN. Period.

Title	We need to copy feminism if we are to succeed
Author	Many_Dragonfly4154
Upvotes	28
Comments	96
Date	July 13, 2024 6:32 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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