Everything went better than expected...

theskepticalidealist · 2013-02-13T04:43:40+00:00

Its kind of sad how afraid feminists are of one another. Look at Erin Prizzey, an absolute hero to abused women everywhere, and they turned their back on her and attacked her the second she wanted to help men. Dr. Warren Farrell and Christina Hoff Sommers were both big names in feminism, and now are the targets of vicious verbal attacks from feminists.

Personally I've never been afraid of going against the grain in the MRM, the worst I've received were downvotes and a couple angry replies. Seriously, not even an angry PM. Its sad that feminists love to paint us as the violent hate group, I'm just not sure if its because that's what they make themselves see, or if its because that's the only kind of group they know...

theskepticalidealist · 2013-02-13T05:43:20+00:00

How can she agree with you but post what she did initially? She first acts like we're living a couple hundred years ago, then when pointed out we're not, she's like 'yea I know lol'. ...wut?

OuiCrudites · 2013-02-13T05:17:47+00:00

I've recently been much more outspoken on Facebook and I've been pleasantly surprised how open people are to these kind of discussions

Although I frame everything in a way that makes it very difficult to disagree without looking like a bigot

prussianiron · 2013-02-13T07:12:56+00:00

OP, she's offering to buy you drinks. What are you doing on Reddit?

chocoboat · 2013-02-13T07:41:19+00:00

That's certainly better than expected even for non-extreme feminist. The wage gap and other things you mentioned are BS, but women's reproductive rights are a pretty sensitive issue right now.

With dirty politicians fighting to remove or financially harm abortion clinics in every way possible... while they fight to force women to undergo medically unnecessary procedures, and they fight to force women to bear the children of rape... there are a LOT of women who wouldn't put up with your complaining about reproductive rights.

Is it unfair that a woman gets to choose whether to keep or abort an unexpected pregnancy while a man has no control over it? Of course. But it's not quite at the "you must physically and financially pay for 9 months if you're attacked" level.

RallyMech · 2013-02-13T14:24:01+00:00

One of my favorite pastimes is to discuss political topics while hammered. She seems like an interesting person to converse with.

McFeely_Smackup · 2013-02-13T17:05:15+00:00

WTF?

This person started out with a post that was HIGHLY feminazi-ist, and when called out on it, immediately rolled over 180 degrees and stated how much she disagreed with feminism?

TiberiusBostwick · 2013-02-13T07:50:50+00:00

Question:

Does anyone think there's anything to the idea that, because women have greater reproductive costs than men, they evolved to value reproductive autonomy more than men? In other words, is it possible that, because of the different ways that men and women have evolved, raping women might (generally) inflict more psychological harm than raping men?

Also, for domestic violence: even if women commit just as much domestic violence, doesn't the element of "oh, this person could literally kill me right now" mean that, generally, the women who are victims of DV are victimized in a somewhat different (and possibly more serious) way?

I'm not trying to say that women raping or abusing men isn't absolutely awful, but there might be good reasons to think of it differently from the way we think about men raping or abusing women.

Fogwa · 2013-02-13T11:41:09+00:00

That was a very cogent and concise FB post, OP. Glad it turned out okay. Thanks for sharing.

NemosHero · 2013-02-13T14:04:13+00:00

A word of advice for the next time you are in this conversation.

The wage gap is not a myth. The wage gap is misrepresented. Yes, women make less than men, it is explained due to the parameters you listed. However, these parameters aren't exactly ideal if they are scripted by society.

Because the wage gap is not a direct result of discrimination, policy trying to stop discrimination, research discrimination, or affect adults who have already been indoctrinated by society is futile. Instead, efforts should be made to free the youth from gender role indoctrination vis-a-vis opening opportunity for boys and girls to explore whatever field they want to explore, de-gendering toys, and avoiding stereotypes within school (ex. ladies first)

By avoiding declaring it as a myth you are debunking, rather than conspiring to the outside observer and gain a following.

abandonfish · 2013-02-13T14:57:05+00:00

Nice! It's always refreshing when two people with seemingly differing opinions find that they aren't so different after all.

barn_burner · 2013-02-13T17:56:25+00:00

Then why did she post that crap in the first place?

AnEagle · 2013-02-13T19:02:54+00:00

Would anyone be able to get me the source for the guys statement? like the actual studies, so i can use this against people with proper back up.

twowaysplit · 2013-02-13T19:17:28+00:00

It's a Valentine's Day miracle!

DerickBurton · 2013-02-13T11:14:50+00:00

Entitled woman is entitled.

2013-02-13T23:33:04+00:00

TIL VAWA passed.

Fuck that.

Mr5306 · 2013-02-13T11:18:19+00:00

I would not like this place to became /r/atheism, we should have a sub for posts like this.

Title	Everything went better than expected...
Author	hidden_moose
Upvotes	258
Comments	48
Date	February 13, 2013 4:15 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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