What's the point of MRP?

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May 12, 2017
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I have seen the comment a few times "fixes the man and not the relationship/marriage".

Then let me ask openly, what is the point of this sub and MRP compared to redpill? I mean MRP should at least have a fringe benefit of fixing the marriage or at least have some differentiation from RP.

I ask as I am still choking on the pill.


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Title What's the point of MRP?
Author Terribledragon4Hire
Upvotes 6
Comments 38
Date 12 May 2017 07:00 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/206158
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/6ata3b/whats_the_point_of_mrp/
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[–]InChargeManRed Beret12 points13 points  (19 children) | Copy

TRP and MRP are significantly different.

In practice, TRP is mostly focused on having more sex with more women. There is more there, but realistically, that is the primary goal for most involved.

MRP is about improving your life i.e. shaping the world around you to meet your desires. There are many aspects to this, of which sex is just one. For many of the other parts of your life there are other outlets to coach you, like career advancement, investing, etc. But not much useful advise for the relationship.

fixes the man and not the relationship/marriage

MRP is guidance to help you shape the world around you to meet your will. It cannot force "her" to follow that vision. If she doesn't want to be part of your new and better world, that is her business. As long as you provide the tools to do so, there is nothing else you can do to "fix" the relationship.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

This.

The overall message is the same in TRP and MRP, but TRP is heavily weighted toward success laying women as the age bracket trends much younger and they often don't have the maturity/experience/resources to work on (or even see the need to work on) the whole man.

MRP trends towards mature, successful (at least moderately) guys with careers who realize the feminist ideal they've taken for granted all these years and the often lauded supportive-provider-to-his-special-snowflake mentality are broken models. These men (mostly) have decent jobs, life experience, and a much higher mental maturity level.

TRP is important, but the message is more concerned with the short term. It's the kiddie pool up through the college locker room.

MRP is the deep end. There is no bullshit allowed here and no fucks are given about your feelings. If you come in here spinning excuses these boys will eat you alive. But this is where the big work happens and real men are created.

I'm an intelligent person but I was a fucking overconfident idiot at 22. The young guys in TRP aren't mentally ready for MRP, hence the difference. Married Red Pill could just as easily be Mature Red Pill, the message would be the same.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (17 children) | Copy

this is dead fucking wrong

[–]McLuhanSaidItFirst0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You got 4 downvotes. Why is he wrong ?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he thinks mrp is about becoming a better man (to serve women)

mrp is trp for married men. its not different and its definition is on the sidebar

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Want to build a better plow horse? Go see Athol Kay or Mark Manson.

We build men, in this case, they happen to be married before they started.

Also, working on relationships is womans work. Best to avoid picking up on her single womanly duty

[–]McLuhanSaidItFirst0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

My question was incomplete. Whom are you saying is wrong? I think you meant to say the OP was wrong. In the layout of the page, you were replying to /u/InChargeMan above who said

MRP ... cannot force "her" to follow

and you got downvotes for saying that was wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

he may be right about that specific line as its true we control ourselves not other people. controlling others is for losers

he is wrong that mrp and trp are different. he doesnt know what trp even is and would be advised to go read about its purpose. its not about having sex with multiple women (unless of course that is the mans goal)

mrp is a collection of men applying trp within the contraints of legal marriage is more accurate to say

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Most of TRP is 19-23 year old dweebs talking about how to be Alfa, banging bitches, and snarky self-aggrandizing posts from guys who wipe sweat off exercise equipment for a living.

mrp is a collection of men applying trp within the contraints of legal marriage is more accurate to say

No shit. In practice though, the scope of TRP and MRP are vastly different.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

In a society lacking male leadership we have established a place where men learn to pursue their sexual strategy by shamelessly embracing their own natural masculinity.

And you shit on them and call them dweebs. You are part of the problem.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry, I should have included a trigger warning.

Why are you so vested in the idea that TRP and MRP are identical?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I love that you are hoping to provoke a response from me by falsely claiming I was triggered.

Ill make it easy for you.

IM SO MAD

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Despite what it may seem like the surface you cannot control what another person does nor thinks. You can improve and at some point she can still make the decision to stay or go. The key is building a better you so your life can go on.

Your beta existence has extinguished attraction. Sexual desire. Your masculinity. MRP and TRP are the same in that they are rebuilding this and for the most part MRP adherents are more mature.

The difference is that as an MRP adherent your goal is a relationship. Now it does vary. Some realize it isn't working at all and it's a mistake. Each have their own reasons for their path and this is part of your study. You must find your path. Your mission.

It's a distinct difference and I will tangent a bit. Alpha traits can be seen as a range of behaviors. And some view marriage as a suckers bet. The game is against you. Laws do not benefit you. Yet here you are. You could very well divorce. End it all and move on. But. Your life would not improve because you've not addressed the reasons for what went wrong. The next woman would have the very same issues. And you're back at it again.

Now despite the fact the rules are against you in marriage this doesn't mean the rules of red pill are any different. The only difference is that You can't next her immediately without repercussions. So you begin to improve working with his construct. Some here report living in hard mode. Hands fully on the reins and riding that car at top speed. Others find a mild touch works. It varies depending on where your snowflake exists on the female range of AWALT behaviors.

The key here is that despite married or not women need what we have. Commitment. Nothing else will give them the comfort of stability. Family. Security. Money won't. The government won't. Their friends won't. We own this. They want it. Trust me you. I've seen it. Experienced it. They may deny it but it's real and once they see the reality you bring the bullshit they've built to fool themselves crumbles.

As for us? We want women in our lives but we don't need them. Married or not. We can exist without. It may not be optimal. But. You can have an incredible life despite their absence.

The rule is that women are the gatekeepers of sex. We are the gatekeepers of commitment. Then the inverse must be true. It's our job to build desire attraction and lead them to sex. Just as it is theirs to build and maintain our desire for a relationship with them.

Married. Not married. It's all the same. Only the circumstances are different.

[–]JDRoedellRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great depiction of how a man's commitment looks like from a woman's perspective. I've often struggled to grasp this dynamic

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Great explanation. Thanks man

[–]mundocorde1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was an amazing explanation. Thanks!

[–]SexistFlyingPig4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

MRP accepts that you're in a long term relationship or marriage. It's your ship, and you're the captain, so MRP teaches you to stop making excuses and lead your fucking ship.

Almost all the problems in your marriage are caused by you not being a good captain. She's just along for the ride. Once you realize this and behave like a good captain, it's smooth sailing.

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Really interesting explanation.

[–]SexistFlyingPig4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was married. I got divorced a few years ago. None of it made any sense when I was going through it. For two years after my divorce none of it made any sense. Then I found the red pill. Now it all makes sense. All of it.

One of the first posts I read described my entire relationship, from the time we met to getting married to having a kid to getting divorced. The story might as well have been told by a birdie sitting on my shoulder the whole time. MRP tells you how women behave and why they behave the way they do. There's nothing clever or special about your relationship. They all fail for the same reason (if they do fail), but it's something you have a lot of control over.

[–]nexttin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed, we do have "a lot" of control over the direction of the marriage. I think it's also important to recognize that, in some cases, things are beyond our control. For example, when your wife has borderline personality disorder (BPD).

My marriage tanked in just one year. My high functioning ex-wife has BPD and when I finally took the pill AFTER getting married and started erecting reasonable boundaries things went nuclear fast. Taking the pill most likely didn't change the ultimate outcome of the marriage, it only accelerated it. In this case, a good thing.

The harsh reality is that if I had taken the pill BEFORE I had dated this woman, let alone gotten engaged or married, I would not only have maintained frame, I would have nexted her well before the wedding bells rang.

[–]SexistFlyingPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And there you have it. Your blue pill mentality enabled her psychotic behavior. Ultimately, your situation was entirely in your control. You just didn't know it at the time. (Neither did I, about my marriage!)

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I hear that. After I started reading the subs and into the rational male, a lot of my experiences and observations of the opposite sex made sense.

I posted this because I could not see a difference between the subs that much and wondered why does there need to be a difference. But the answers are somewhat clarifying it for me.

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

the practical reason is that TRP likes to put a lot of blame on women and shift it off themselves. the ever present woman boogieman.

here, for a long time, the main thing that was advocated was extreme ownership of every single aspect of your life.

[–]SepeanRed Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's like how a college doesn't get you a job, it gives you an education.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well because most guys have their balls so deep in their wife's frame that they can't even see the man they once used to be.

MRP teaches you how to take your balls back from your wife.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

MRP should at least have a fringe benefit of fixing the marriage

Yes, it fixes the man who is then in a position to use Dread to fix the sex in the marriage and use his knowledge of leadership, Shit Tests and female behavior to fix the other problems.

I think the main difference is that MRP focuses on leadership while TRP is more geared towards seduction. We use Red Pill knowledge in a slightly different direction with an older married crowd but the praxeology of MRP is 100% taken from TRP. TRP is our foundation, roof, frame, and siding. MRP is more like the kitchen counters and the hardwood floors.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is TRP

this is MRP

[–]drty_prRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

One of the not-so-mentioned elements to MRP is the high level focus on mental development. Many men show up here with depression and anxiety issues. Being completely comfortable in the person you want to be, essentially when you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks, is where true confidence comes from. If you stick around, you will be a very happy man, with or without your wife.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

They have a lot of it for men in general. TRP has a constant fight with the MGTOW/Nofap crowds, who love to take their toys and go home

[–]drty_prRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's like often the MRM community would rather debate why it's not ok for men to hit women while it's acceptable for women to hit men. Not that that argument doesn't have a place. More that sitting around circle jerking about how bad men have it, instead of growing as men, isn't the answer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Easier to blame the world for potholes, than to learn how to drive better.

Nagging to get others to fix shit is a womans tool, only works when you can maka tha babies, so you're more valuable happy than dead

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

in my opinion, often times, swallowing pills (whether its TRP OR MRP) can AID in the man's dating life or LTR/Marriage life. like anything else in life, there are both sides of the spectrum. things that work and things that don't. every situation is different.

the whole point... is while swallowing for TRP, it helps men better themselves and can aid in the dating/hooking up process. (gaining more positive results)

with MRP, its can aid in those LTR and marriages where the man already got the girl through the dating process. fact of the matter is LTRs require a slightly different method of RP theory (need to sprinkle in some comfort).

So yes, TRP/MRP fixes the man...... as an added bonus, often times, helps in getting/keeping women (depending on which spectrum you are in). but again, if shits broke, no amount of RP logic can fix it. it just really depends on many variables. at the end of the day... you are left a happier person. whether you are single, dating or married.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Put a partition up the in your noodle and think about the strategy for sex from the SO, and the extra benifits of not being so dependent mentally on if you live or die whether she gives you some pussy

The benifits from lifting and 300 burpees a day, is pretty Fucking delicious with the constant attention. Feels fucking great at 50. Wife can't keep her hands off me

Pretty stellar feeling if she dies I honestly don't think I would be a Fucking train wreck.

Pretty much never been happier in my life with myself or life in general

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When /u/isolos created the place, his reasoning was that young guys keep saying 'next', and it's not really solving problems for men in LTR/marriage.

So he wanted a place that skews a little older, to work out actual strategies once you're on 'hard mode'

As for the underlying praxeology, there is no difference. Briffaults law is still briffaults law, manipulated man is still manipulated man. Rollos work isn't less useful, just because you have a piece of paper in the drawer.

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the reply. Makes sense.

[–]anythingincRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

what is the point

Life is meaningless and when we die it is just like before we were born, your wife has PTSD and you should sacrifice your remaining consciousness to enabling her shitty attempts at coping. In appreciation for doing this she will obviously keep your balls well drained and work tirelessly to make you the happiest man alive. Right? I don't even know why you are here. You enable her and put her life and happiness ahead of your own, and in return she is super appreciative and shows you every day how much you mean to her and how attracted she is to you with cookies and blowjobs right? I'm pretty sure that is how it works because otherwise why would you be in this situation?

[–]anythingincRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

0 points

I'm sorry man, I already gave you my 1000-word insightful effort a month ago and I already spent my 1000-word insightful post for today so I just had to go straight for your nuts this time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/620ldc/need_some_advice_on_how_to_respond/dfj23fp/

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought your 1000 word post response in my last thread was amazing. Thanks.



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