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So is this really the world we live in?

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February 27, 2019

I may get alot of downvotes for this post but i need to put this out there.

I've been lurking around this sub for some time, and I've read some great advices and some not so great. Most of the time people who comment here seem like someone who's been cheated on by a long time partner and now is subocounciously seeking some kind of revange on every women they meet...comments often seem like some tryhard neckbeard alpha shit. I cant say iam some big shot alpha dude but i had my experience around women, slept with decent number of them and some amazing and other hearbreaking experiences but still this TRP method doenst always look like ultimate guide to women and men relationships.

The thing is Iam from eastern Europe and most ways some of the guys describe women in this sub do not apply to women I've met. Despite having sex with multiple women I also had few girls that were my life long friends, some helped me more then other guys who i concidered friends, and these women have decent guys as their husband who i can guarantee they dont cheat on. From them ive learned that not every girl i meet is a hoe or attention seeking brat... I may be wrong but often it seems that these rules more often apply to the women from USA and western culture millenials.

I just dont want some young guys to get the whole idea of women as someone who will cheat on you no matter what you do, this is from my experience and ofcourse i may be wrong, I got cheated on me as well and also ive cheated alot, but somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner. Just dont overthing all the time because it can be counter productive and often times destructive.

Yes its true you need to hold frame and your woman needs to and want to know her place in your company, but dont overcomplicate it, because thats what women do...

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Title So is this really the world we live in?
Author tinmarFF
Upvotes 134
Comments 129
Date 27 February 2019 12:40 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]CrazyHorseInvincible[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

It's called asktrp, not telltrp.

[–]I_Dont_Type196 points197 points  (24 children) | Copy

You don’t seem to understand TRP or AWALT. It’s not that all women cheat, it’s that all women are like that. They all get tingles. They all are inspecting your competition. They all will get bored of you the moment you display yourself to not be as high value as they desire.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (11 children) | Copy

It's true but not all women cheat when they get bored. Some are smarter than that and just make life hell for their beta husbands.

[–]GGrub833 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy

However in modern times women are more motivated to cheat and branch swing because of the societal changes triggered by feminism.

In the past a woman would stick with her husband through thick and thin because of the stigma involved in leaving him, not to mention he would probably beat her to a pulp with no real legal consequences if she dared looking at another guy.

Nowdays women not only are not penalized, they're actually idolized by society and rewarded by the government if they leave their husband.

What AWALT means is that all women are aware of this power and they won't hesitate using it if they reach a breaking point, which can be as low as "got bored".

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Feminism and social media are responsible

[–]I_Dont_Type14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Also vehicular transport and higher populations. The larger your world is, the easier it is to hide from your consequences

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well put.

[–]omega_dawg935 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

agreed. i thought I'd never see the day where women were actually proud to be sluts, to be called sluts, and to brag about how much cock they've handled.

but slut walks are here... and slut shaming, which used to be done by women, is gone.

oh well... i have my condoms. do you?

[–]Prometheus4440 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

agreed. i thought I'd never see the day where women were actually proud to be sluts, to be called sluts, and to brag about how much cock they've handled.

It's always been this way, they just don't get the shit beat out of them by their husbands or shamed by society for acting this way anymore. Hopefully this does not come as a surprise to you.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

no it's not a surprise at all.

the word is "discretion." it's connected to "class."

you can be all the slut you want... i don't judge. but why wear a shirt proclaiming it... for what?

[–]jackandjill222 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

😂️ Terrific consolation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is, isn't it?

[–]1Terminal-Psychosis-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

but not all women

This is the important part of this grasping at straws comment.

Go read the sidebar more.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is it so hard to believe that some women don't cheat? And just because they don't that doesn't negate the AWALT stuff. It just manifests itself differently.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not even sure the point of AWALT is that AWALT. I would say the point is to treat every woman as if AWALT. That way you're not surprised anymore when they do something "out of character," and you're always at the top of your game. There will be exceptions to AWALT of course, but why take the chance or attempt to find out? It's better overall not to.

[–]honorocagan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. It’s all about owning your shit as if she’s just like the last one.

[–]AstuteBlackMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was my assumption as well. Its basically a saying for RP men whenever they deal with an Issue with girls they might really like.

If I see an ugly girl not responding to me I'm gonna next with no issue. But if I have a cute girl that I really want not responding to me I'm gonna have a tendency to hang around, orbit, seek validation, etc. AWALT for me just puts things in perspective that all women have similar tendencies and you should treat them as such.

Could be wrong but it's my view

[–]1Terminal-Psychosis-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

it is NOT "out of character".. it is in their genes.

If they think they can safely branch swing...

There are no unicorns.

Would you want a woman that needs to settle for a relationship with a total loser?

maybe... Depends on your level of investment in life.

[–]resnine2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Good point. Do you think that all women have a similar expected level of "high value" in a man? Or that it is just dependent on the level they are at? For example, an Instagram model is going to expect a man to be of much higher value than a fat land manatee who knows her value is lower.

But then again I guess it all depends because some of these land manatees think they are HB8 and expect a high value man. So depends on the person ay?

[–]I_Dont_Type2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It really all depends on how they fit into their respective competitive environments. If they think they can get better, they'll start longing for it. If they're surrounded by high value males daily, but don't receive any signals that they have a decent chance of landing one of those males, they will likely be happy to have what they have.

Women are very good at noticing where they are in their competitive environments because of their ability to pick up on social queues.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Could you expand on what you mean by 'fit'. Is this their understanding/awareness of where they are on the SMV scale? Seems like so many are delusional about where they are on SMV scale. Or is this all part of the game? Like they know where they actually are on the scale but try to OVERSELL themselves so they pretend they are HB8 when they are actually a HB3. Just thinking to some of the land manatees on tinder (~300lbs) but wearing all these fancy clothing, and make-up thinking this will up their perceived value.

Do you think most women actually know their actually value better than men? Or are they mostly delusional about their actual value?

[–]Mangasbzo72 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy


OP, you are still in the denial phase. You have A LOT more reading to do.

[–]YungNblessed4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy


[–]MorpheusSwag-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah you wrong, OP gets it. Be like OP

[–]foodisbien-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who hurt you?

[–]iLLprincipLeS63 points64 points  (20 children) | Copy

The five stages a man goes through in order to become a "red pilled man."

Denial (There’s no denying we’ve all been there)

In psychology, we usually refer to the 5 stages of grief when talking about dealing with loss. In this journey of actualization, you lose a romanticized world view that we commonly refer to as being “blue pilled.” The first thing that happens in these five stages is denial. Maybe you dipped your toe in TRP by reading some of the articles and opinions on this sub and were immediately turned off to how all of the anger phase newbies were spouting hate speech about women. Maybe you were overwhelmed by what you were reading and noticing about life so you closed the book on TRP. Your denial of the truth allows you to go back to blue pilled life for some time, but something may change within you. You realize you lost that part of yourself. Maybe your blue pilled worldview chipped away slowly as you start to realize the truth or maybe experienced a shocking “aha!” moment all at once, and you can’t un-see it anymore. If you don’t get scared and fully ingratiate yourself back into BP culture, you are destined to along with many others to arrive at the same feeling…

Anger: The infamous ”Anger Phase” is not as simple as you think.

When you came to this sub, you may have been going through a rough patch in your life, made primarily by your own choices and your misunderstandings of how human nature works in the context of today’s society. Most people come here because of a woman or because of their continued failure with women in general; having been the “orbiter” or the “nice guy,” or the one that was constantly “taken advantage of” or the one that was cheated on. Maybe you didn’t even know exactly why you started reading the articles, but something resonated with you at a certain point. Maybe some of you were the ones that left for a while, but realize when you open up TRP again, you already had a couple articles dog eared. As you read more and more of the sidebar and people’s own contributions to this sub, your blue pilled version of reality rips apart at its seams and some of you become frustrated. Some of you become angry, and some of you become absolutely livid. You think the about time, the money, and the dedication you wasted in your pursuit of trying to land your Disney level romance with a girl you fantasized over, you think about the peers you had and how some of them were more toxic to your personal development. You unpack intergender dynamics box by box and start to notice the difference between what you saw with your blue colored lens. Your start to view many things in the context of TRP and you become angry at what you have been missing out on, what you have been tricked into believing, what women can get away with in today’s society, but I think most importantly you become angry at yourself. Herein lies the pivotal moment for guys that embrace TRP or pantomime being “red pilled.” Most people go through the motions, riding on the anger high: lift more, read more TRP articles, practice their game, etc; but the true test is understanding the difference between externalizing your anger and epiphanies vs internalizing them (are you angry at society/women/your peers or do you realize that you are angry at yourself and what you did within the context of your own circumstances?) I believe that this is the true test of TRP (the pivotal moment), which is a perfect way to segue into…

Bargaining & Depression (You either die BP or you live long enough to see yourself become RP)

Some of you will inevitably be stuck in this “temporary truce” with yourself where your main goal is to just be good enough so that you’ll mold yourself to be desirable in the context of societal norms. Maybe you had the best intentions for yourself at first and made resolutions so that you would chase the best “you” that you could possibly be: so you go through the motions by exercising, practicing your game, and making yourself better until that one woman “changes everything,” (again), and you slowly devolve back into your prior state. Those of you who go this path will write a couple angry rants about women or society a couple of times, but deep down, still be hoping that there is a unicorn out there; and one day you’ll meet her (or cut the pieces off the puzzle piece to force her to fit that blue pilled worldview of yours). She opens up your eyes to that “better than drugs” feeling of love and affection and once again you view life through blue colored or maybe a slight purple colored lens; but inevitably, most of you will learn the harsh truth once more. Some of you will experience extreme agony or depression with realizing red pilled truths. You will eventually trade in the new worldview to go back to being what you’ve always been used to; a cog in an ever failing but ever churning machine. You’ll be chewed up and spit out only to come back to repeat the process in TRP or some other path, or you’ll be one of the lucky few that blissfully remains ignorant and makes that kind of life work until your passing. This phase is the most important phase because it is what weeds out the weak. It is what makes a person truly “RP” vs those copying RP traits to justify ends (usually it’s to land yourself a steady stream of sex/a romantic partner). For those that truly understand that TRP is a method of tools and a worldview to internalize rather than externalize this anger move on to the final stage of Red Pill:

Acceptance: No longer the sheep, you become the wolf.

You accept that many if not all of the misfortune that you faced was due to your own failures or misgivings. You were the one who decided to orbit the girl in the hopes that she’d defer to you sticking around for her. You were the one who looked away and forgave her for cheating on you, you were the one who chose to continue hanging out with your toxic friends that got you into needless trouble. You were the one who kept putting off improving your own life. You finally understand that your fate is determined by your own decisions and actions. You realize your own empty promises and words ultimately mean nothing without your actions behind them. You finally start to do something not for the sake of bettering yourself to achieve some means to an end (sex); you do it because you want to do it for yourself. You lift because you like how you feel after that workout and how you look better in the mirror every day, you learn how to do new things because of the pragmatic applications (like cooking, working to be the best at your job, survival skills, etc), you have a hobby that makes you genuinely happy devoid of outside influences, and you learn how to lead yourself along with others cause you realize there are those that lead and others who don’t know any better than to follow. You will realize that with personal improvements and a more internalized viewpoint of RP, women, better career opportunities, better income, and better friends come as a byproduct of your successes rather than being the checkboxes to your success. That’s how you truly become Red Pilled; that's how you stay motivated to be the best you can be.

[–]ModTheRedPike7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Where did you get this from? My memory is fading.

[–]jaw86253 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was excellent. I realized that I have spent the last 6 months in the bargaining and depression phase. I spun plates for 3 years and then met that "one" girl who made me believe in the unicorn again. It's over now, and I've been regrouping myself. Hoping I fully blossom into acceptance phase

[–]Karpuzerki 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

The problem is, not everyone can be the wolf

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

People won’t admit this , just hold frame braaah.

The redpill has way too much toxic positivity and people in here like to sugarcoat shit and beat around the bush .

[–]buddahbusted1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This sub is infected by a lack of working class masculinity in the form of old school union solidarity. Nothing more RP than working men taking their power back, and that isn’t the way an upper management type moves up individualistically.

Men coming together to negotiate collectively for their common interest is the most RP thing in the world. So is the CEO using his money to buy off the politicians and cops to prevent his workers from taking back more of the profits. But if you are a working man fanboying the billionaire, that is falling into someone else’s frame.

Sometimes a beta provider is some guy’s only shot. This is a Brave New World, and sometimes what happened in the vat isn’t something that can be surpassed through individual effort.

[–]vivid_mind4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can be a fox, a bear, a tiger or a beaver too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No, but not everybody is trying to be.

[–]muddynips0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not everybody deserves to procreate.

[–]ChesterRickman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice work here. I emphatise with the idea of "going through the motions" of the red pill instead of really embracing it until you get the girl you want and, surprise surprise, go back to being a bitch until reality hits you in the face again. It took me close to a year to get over a single broken relationship and I think I made every mistake in the book along the way, the ultimate lesson here is that it was all my fault and now I can only go forward, improve and conciously take advantage of what I learnt.

[–]tinmarFF[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

nice post, very well writen and it does make sense ofcourse these are some very important pointers to life no matter what are you trying to accomplish...thx for this reply. Thing is i dont feel the need to analyse life so much, i rarely feel the need to prove myself and yes most of the time i know iam responsible for my actions and never regret them, despite how hard they may seem difficcult or stressful.

[–]BurntYams0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking Beautiful comment, op. Saved

[–]Jabbermouth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is it common to not go through a “denial” phase?

First time I read TRP, I believed it to be true because I had seen it play out in my life consistently.

[–]DatingTank-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was this from The Rational Male? Long time since I read it.

[–]jackandjill22-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That final step has more steps than that.

[–]ddiogenesofsinope-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think its appropriate to label it as 'denial' he was simply making an observation.

[–]DatingTank1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

An observation that clearly shows that he might be in precisely that phase.

But it's true that it's harder to spot in Eastern Europe. The less westernized a country is, the less women are encouraged to "go full awalt", in lack of a longer definition

[–]1FixYourselfFirst34 points35 points  (12 children) | Copy

somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner.

With divorce rates over 50%, that isn't likely.

I got cheated on me as well and also ive cheated alot,

That's exactly why the divorce rates are over 50%. TRP isn't perfect. But it's better than a Disney fairy tale.

[–]DownyGall8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol seriously. He thinks can find a decent woman to be a life long partner when he's not living the way?

[–]DatingTank6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Clinging to the hope

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's not going to find her if he's only dating promiscuous, low-IQ sluts. Not saying housewife types are angels, they are just smarter.

[–]jackandjill222 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

That's what people don't realise people criticize TRP for being too extreme but don't realize that there aren't any alternatives because the extremeness of feminism has crushed them already. TRP must be a monolithic guiding post if its to survive. People never remember this until some vanguard gets doxxed and their life is ruined or until Gillette comes out with a commercial accusing all men of being rapists or some kid in college getting steamrolled for a fake accusation. They're not vigilant, they forget & let their guard down too easily.

"This is a war & we are soldiers, death can come for us at anytime in anyplace." Morpheus the Matrix

[–]MorpheusSwag-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

To compare this to war is highly disrespectful to people who have actually been involved in war. Bad look

[–]jackandjill225 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not really. Social and culture conflict are serious as well. You don't always have to be dropping bombs on someone for there to be social conflict/unrest/upheaval. That phony moralism is pointless here in this conversation. You're going to get outraged over "disrespect" you sound like a SJW.

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

To compare this to war is highly disrespectful to people who have actually been involved in war. Bad look

No, I'd say it's an apt comparison. There is no negotiation except to maneuver to advantage or be out maneuvered to disadvantage. Lives hang in the balance and damage done cannot be undone. You only get one run. Tools in the fight are only as capable as the hands that wield them. The more prepared you are, the better your chances but nobody gets a guarantee. We didn't choose this, others did and we can question why but ultimately, ours is but to do or die.

[–]MorpheusSwag0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Lives do not hang in the balance when you're trying to bag a chick. You guys are outrageous

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody said anything about bagging chicks. But if you want to be pedantic, your future kids lives hang in the balance in that scenario.

[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

your life as a man most definitely hangs in the balance if you get marreid to a chick and/or have kids. Dont kid yourself.

[–]Hyper_Sonik0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

??? He's not comparing it in any way. He used a quote.

[–]YungNblessed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The true greatness in TRP is that it evens the playing field for a man ready and willing to accept.

My entire blue pill life, I've been conditioned by parents, teachers, movies, music, and society as a whole in the feminine imperative, it was great to have my eyes opened.

[–]L0neWolfAlpha14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

You know what made me swallow the pill... HEARTBREAK. You got a long way to go OP

[–]leew3608 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

AWALT doesn't mean every woman cheats. It means every woman has *motivation* to cheat. There are many reasons for women to not cheat, such as:

  1. Social Stigma
  2. Risk to lose financial support
  3. Physically can't find men with higher value than her man
  4. Her value is so low that she can't find high valued men

Take a moment to think about it. What would happen if we romanticize cheating on TV shows and social media, provide welfare to those who don't work, make apps like Tinder to match up people across the country, and sell makeup and plastic surgery to boost women's values?

What could possible go wrong?

AWALT shouldn't even be a thing. We intuitively know it. Our experiences say it. Scientific researches prove it. The only reason that TRP needed to invent a term and chant it like a cult is that almost every single media is telling the opposite. They all try to convince men that if one finds his soulmate/truelove/oneitis they'll be happy together... forever. AWALT, as a concept, is a desperate attempt to counteract the ever lasting brainwashing.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon10 points11 points  (17 children) | Copy

but still this TRP method doenst always look like ultimate guide to women and men relationships.

TRP isn't a method so much as "here is reality". It's admittedly very short on plans, methods and techniques and that's because it's up to you to work this out for your life and your reality. We do tell you the basics and the universal facts though.

The thing is Iam from eastern Europe and most ways some of the guys describe women in this sub do not apply to women I've met

Because NAWALT? come on, you're not that naive.

who i can guarantee they dont cheat on.

Seriously? How can you know this? You're sounding naive now.

From them ive learned that not every girl i meet is a hoe or attention seeking brat... I may be wrong but often it seems that these rules more often apply to the women from USA and western culture millenials.

Women present one side of themselves to you. When you're not around, they present another side. These girls all have facebook and IG accounts, many have Tinder, they're getting their attention and validation needs fully met and that's why you don't think they are needy or attention seeking.

I just dont want some young guys to get the whole idea of women as someone who will cheat on you no matter what you do

Most women will cheat sooner or later. The more you commit, the more beta you are, the more inclined she is to cheat.

but somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner.

Statistically untrue: There is not a good woman for every man. There are very, very few decent women worthy of a LTR, so most men will not have one.

[–]tinmarFF[S] 5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy

thanks. for your lenghty reply. few of my girl-friends dont even have or care about IG, and I can be sure they dont cheat on their husband because as I said I've known them my whole life, but thats a long process of explaining myself why I know I can trust these girls and I honestly dont care about explaining myself to strangers on the internet. And i do agree that worthy women come veeery rarley, but the thing is if you are only following TRP principles you will probably miss out on her. But who am I to question your life choices. Important thing is that everyone is happy with their life path, thats why i find TRP usefull but the way some people present it seems a bit too tryhard ultra alpha male, and sometimes i wonder if half od them are like that in reality

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I agree with your one point about if you follow TRP principles, you'll probably miss out. I'm more Purple now, but the last LTR I had, I was using way too many of these principles and it ended up with me losing her.

[–]AstuteBlackMan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Can you elaborate?

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

To be fair, it was probably lack of TRP. I got too comfortable. However, things like spinning plates and her finding out (even though she said it was okay) was part of the problem. However, it was likely my fault for not providing enough comfort.

[–]AstuteBlackMan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Red pill is considered use at your own risk. People here wont judge you for cheating for the most part which I disagree with. That's more on you and less on red pill tbh

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

She wasn't my gf, and she said it was okay. Come to find out, obviously she didn't like that. Spinning plates is part of the abundance mentality. An important part of TRP if you ask me. It helps extinguish neediness. Kind of like dread to keep them on their toes, but with dread you need keep them comfortable.

[–]AstuteBlackMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right. But you can have an abundance mentality in a relationship. just be ready to leave her to keep her on her toes. Women do whatever cause they feel the man doesn't have the balls to leave. One big shit test tbh

But I hear you. I had a plate and I told her I was seeing other women and she heard I played spin the bottle at a party and just got all mad. Ironically this was during my blue pill days where she basically played me cause I wanted a relationship

[–]Hyper_Sonik0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're so far removed from reality. Perhaps it is different where you live but female nature is universal. And I guarantee you that just because you've "known" these women "your whole life" doesn't mean shit. I bet there is a whole other side to these individuals that you haven't seen. You are being naive and basically saying "you guys havent seen these girls over here, they are the proof TRP is not entirely true". I bet there's so much shit you are not seeing, maybe because these women behave themselves under the light but we here all know not to fall into that thinking trap.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

I can be sure they dont cheat on their husband because as I said I've known them my whole life


They present their best side to you. Unless you're with them every waking second of every day, they have opportunity to cheat.

And i do agree that worthy women come veeery rarley, but the thing is if you are only following TRP principles you will probably miss out on her

Eh? How do TRP principles make you miss out on quality women??

Being attractive helps you get what you want, and all women want the same things.

[–]MorpheusSwag5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Speaking in absolutes? You must be right

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Whereas "they don't cheat on their husbands" is valid because reasons ?

[–]MorpheusSwag1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Talking about a specific group of women, yes that can absolutely be valid. If he were speaking for women as a whole obviously that would be invalid

[–]Hyper_Sonik0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What do you think AWALT means? He's not implying ALL women cheat, but that it's in their nature to be hypergamous.

[–]MorpheusSwag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's people in general. People swear up and down they wouldn't cheat but in the right circumstance just about everyone would

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Because, TRP really lacks a lot of the comfort dynamic for LTRs. So, while you may grab a woman with TRP, very unlikely to keep them if you're just using TRP principles. At least if you're using the same ones you use to get girls.

[–]Hyper_Sonik0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That is a contradiction. TRP principals apply to short term engagements just as much as long term relationships. Actually, you have a much higher chance at keeping them by understanding TRP principals.

SMH. You don't USE trp, you internalize it. That's one of the big problems with guy's on here. They think they can USE some shit they read to get or keep a woman. The best example of this is when guys try to use no contact or some form of withdrawal to "win her back", when what they should be doing is understanding WHY she is behaving in a certain way.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha bro, don't worry, it's well internalized. I started with MarriedTRP about 5 years ago. TRP maybe 4 years ago. But the principles taught here are to improve yourself, but it's also there to help you get laid. You need much more comfort if you plan on doing this for the long run. One of those things I didn't really know after my view of women based on TRP. TRP isn't for LTRs, it's for spinning plates until one breaks and you replace it.

[–]YungNblessed3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wait how can you "guarantee" that these women do not cheat on their "good guy" husbands? What does "good guy" even mean. If a smart women wants to cheat, SHE WILL, and no one will ever know.

I'm still new to TRP but what I've gained is that this is my life and this shit is about me. I have to own my shit, and everything else including women will fall into place.

Your post has women as the center piece and not the man. I don't care if young guys think women are fucked up (they are), I'm more concerned that young men see themselves as the prize and stop giving all power to the pussy and doing things like committing suicide because of it. Too many beta nice guys in society and not only are men suffering because of it but society as a whole is declining.

[–]Hyper_Sonik2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good to see that as a new user you're correctly asserting the core purpose of TRP is the SELF. You're on your way!

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP attracts a pretty wide audience. The reason we point and flair particular people is exactly what you described - there are a shit load of raging woman haters, paper alphas, incels, and other forms of subterranean life posting nonsense. They're best to be ignored.

If you read enough, you'll see flared and unflaired guys dishing really good advice. None of them hate women.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy

What is your point?

[–]tinmarFF[S] 25 points26 points  (6 children) | Copy

point is Ive seen countless posts of dudes in their early 20's who think everything is lost and that there is no point of seeking life long partner in a women, with which i dont agree and think there is other perspective to this story.

[–]1FixYourselfFirst25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Society changes. Computer games and internet porn have destroyed many young men. They are socially awkward, having never learned how to interact with most people. Now at 25, they wonder why they cannot find a wife, or even kiss a woman. TRP didn't cause this. TRP is just pulling back the curtains, showing how relationships work in the real world.

[–]BookyMcBooks7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

We're living organisms, and as such, subject to evolution and the need to adapt to changing circumstances. We no longer live in small tribes, or small villages, we live in a massive global society. Our circumstances have changed. Your options have exploded exponentially. Why should anyone choose lifelong monogamy any more? Looking at how often relationships go sour, why would anyone want to get married? Why would you pledge half your shit to someone who is statistically speaking, probably going to leave you?

Look at all the girls on Instagram, they love showing their asses and titties to the whole world. Think they're going to settle for lifelong monogamy? Fuck no they aren't. The moment you become boring, they're already on to something new and exciting. This is the world we live in now, better to adapt to it than yearn for the "good old days".

[–]AstuteBlackMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean I'm RP but I wouldnt mind getting with a woman long term in the right circumstances. But it's rare. A lot of men dont think these women are rare and they dont vet them

[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dont think everyone disagrees that it's impossible, just that it's HARD and getting harder by the day. An increasing amount of women are just not viable as long term partners and that's the culture of our society. You ARE rolling the dice, so best to be wary in whatever it is you do with women

[–]Hyper_Sonik-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

A haha "life long partner". Take a hike bud, see you in 5 years when you're back with some sob story.

[–]MartinVDK911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's exactly the stupid try hard incel shit he is talking about faggot.

[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol TRP applies Very much to eastern European women lol

[–]elgodo72 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your experience is different as you live in the east. Women are more loyal and feminine over there. Western girls are the ones that are more fucked up as their is a rise in feminism here and women want to be men.

A lot of guys go to the east to find wives from the west for good reason.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Loyalty is one thing that is not present in woman's personalities in both, US and East. Women do not know loyalty. What is different is public shaming of unfaithful wives/women, most likely, so to an outsider it may seem women in Europe are more loyal because those women fear the ramifications compared to US where it is deemed "empowering". This word itself should only be used defining men, not women. Same with honour.

[–]MorpheusSwag-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Data driven response, great work bro

[–]JuliusTestvola2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Eastern Europe is much different place than the west. Come to the west get demoralized by media and degraded by liberalism. Experience this for a few years then tell me what your view of the world is.

[–]red_matrix1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Isn’t that why Roosh went to Eastern Europe?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is not much different. Hypergamy is as much of a thing in Eastern Europe just like in US. Difference is that many women in EE have a bit more traditional values left compared to US so it looks to an outsider that things are better. But they aren't that MUCH better. Same rules/guidelines apply in EE just like in US.

[–]Chad_pronouns2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

eastern Europe

There it is right there. Eastern European women are still women. TRP is a response to the rampant decline of relations between the sexes and rise of feminism in the west. You don't have this problem over in Eastern Europe. Your women are still "women" and it is likely that you can develop a meaningful relationship with your women without resorting to TRP tactics.

[–]xx-Rain_Maker-xx5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

As the top comment pointed out. You don't seem to understand the AWALT term. In males, for example, we would rather have several sex partners at the same time, yet you see a lot of men in monogynous relationships. It doesn't mean that those guys wouldn't like more sex partners, it's just that they rationally cohib that feeling. Women do the same.

[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like a lot of guys arent really inhibiting much if they have one quality partner that meets their needs. It seems women have more issue with it than guys IME. There aer always those horndog dudes out there but for every one of those there are several dudes that really just want a girl to settle down with

[–]centaursg3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The core principle of TRP is to prioritize yourself above everything else. Good things will follow you..I agree to most comments here and you should give it a few years and then you should see..

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are tactics for men to protect themselves in a gynocentric world so they do not get strung along, to not get falsley accused, divorce raped and to increase their overall value in world over time.

I am from Balkans and most girls I have been are foreign tourists, I have to agree that most of the 'toxic' and 'misogynistic' element applies to western women (80%) and to black women (100%) their behaviors and expectations are different and also western white men are raised to put women on pedestal so once they are taken down from it those men feel hate.

In my culture it is very weird to pay for women anything and it is a cultural shock learning that it is normal for some foreign places that women want you to pay. It is weird reading how many guys here mostly from countries that were once patriarchal (my never was), that it a given that if you are going out and not getting sex, you are wasting and being beta. Those same guys get to my country and when they buy local girl a drink, they appear beta.

There are many cultural fails here and many things do not work at all cross culturally. Because I based my game on what westerners say, I find it hard to find success with local girls because I appear as a fuckboi and they are HEAVILY indoctrinated to avoid those guys while western women eat it up.

It is also important to understand that men in west where state is not as corrupt as east European ones, people take social laws very seriously. Doing a crime, taking a bribe, or cheating in a relationship is taken more seriously. East Europeans are half assed about everything so them being failurey at dozens of critically important things in life (like marriage or profession) is taken as normal and people can be corrupt or cheaters and feel normal and their friends also don't judge them as much.

Western populations have less tolerance of hypocrisy so they take harder learning women are not this rock they can lean on to help them face life but rather a liability always on the lookout for a better deal.

[–]red_matrix1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read the Book of Pook and then come back here and talk more. You don’t seem to be getting any of this.

[–]1Shyrk1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Have you read the sidebar material?

[–]red_matrix1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

He hasn’t

[–]tinmarFF[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

yes I have, anyway thx for pointing that out. On the subject of reading, i suggest seneca, marcus aurelius, dale carnegie, alan watts also one of my favorites carl sagan...since we are pointing out the obvious.

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy haven’t. Did you read the Book of Pook? If you did then you wouldn’t of wrote this post. Either that or you completely misunderstood.

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

With any sort of philosophy it's important to separate the system from the practitioners, and often people don't. You see it with rellgion, "catholicism is bullshit cause pedophilia", politics, "so and so said a racial slur, conservatives are bigots" and so on . There are idiots everywhere, there's no way you're gonna keep 'em out. So saying that TRP system is BS cause of a comment you read here or there isn't a valid argument. To invalidate the system you would need to argue the sidebar. You'd also need to contend with guys who've tried all this stuff and seen it work.

[–]ddiogenesofsinope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

and these women have decent guys as their husband who i can guarantee they dont cheat on

How are you certain of this?

You have missed a key RP principle. She is not yours, its only your turn.

There are plenty of decent women around, providing times are good. When your circumstances change, you will be shocked at what they will do to get out and get into a better position. There are plenty of cases on here and IRL of a husband losing money, becoming disabled or becoming a beta and the woman, rather than sticking it out and finding a solution, dumping him like a sack of potatoes.

True RP guys don't hate women, we are past that. We understand their nature and plan accordingly.

[–]SirAttackHelicopter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, it's much worse. The only way for people to learn the truth is to experience the doublestandards themselves.

[–]vivid_mind1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have some idealistic views of ee women. The truth is AWALT. They don't cheat because there is no good dick around or the fear of being ostracized is bigger than the lust. I had some ee female friends when I was in friend zone and been giving them an arm to cry on. This was eye opening stuff. You would swear on your life they wouldn't have cheated, but it is all the same. I think the more impoverished country they live in the more careful they are to no lose their beta provider. In this regard women in South America are pretty much the same as in EE.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you woulda left out the last two paragraphs you woulda had more upvotes

[–]professor_mcamateur0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yup it's western culture that is crumbling due to feminism and liberalism etc.

[–]theherosmyth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"this TRP method doenst always look like ultimate guide to women and men relationships."

Depends what your goals are. It certainly is not meant to get you to the "let's all be equal, happy wife happy life" type of relationship. Do you have an example?

"I also had few girls that were my life long friends, some helped me more then other guys who i considered friends"

I can't speak for the rest of the red pill men but I'll never claim women can't be decent human beings.

"and these women have decent guys as their husband who i can guarantee they dont cheat on."

No you can't. Don't be so arrogant to assume you can ever know people's intentions.

"I just dont want some young guys to get the whole idea of women as someone who will cheat on you no matter what you do, this is from my experience and ofcourse i may be wrong, I got cheated on me as well and also ive cheated alot, but somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner. "

I'm not trying to get you with your own words but I think your choice of language is noteworthy. "I've cheated, I've been cheated on, but somehow if you really want it you can find someone decent. Somehow." You make it sound like an unlikely triumph lol.

I think it's been said but it bears repeating. The point of the red pill is not "all women are cheating sluts so just work on your pecs so their cunts get wet and then fuck em and chuck em." I bet there's some of that rhetoric here, though. The point is to see women for what they really are, instead of the PC version we've been told by society they are. To understand their behavior from an evo/psych perspective. Certain traits and behaviors have been hard wired in them because it makes it more likely for them and their offspring to survive. Like hypergamy. A woman's tendency to select a mate across or up from her current mate in the dominance hierarchy. Or the dualistic mating strategy, meaning they find one type of man suitable to reproduce with, and another type of man suitable to provide for her and her offspring, and they don't necessarily have to be the same guy.

This is an example of some aspects of the woman's mating strategy. It's the programming in their head, but it does not mean they can't help but comply with it. I advice you to read the sidebar to get an idea of what the red pill is about instead instead of judging it by the remarks of some of its members.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP it's just a guideline. It's not hard rules. Every situation is different.

One thing I find is that men do infact shit test women, but it's not discussed much here. I shit test by being weak sometimes. If the woman stays with me then I know she's a good woman. I also shit test by being strong and assertive. If she does anything other than be submissive then I know she doesn't think I have a higher SMV and I either work on that by causing dread or I leave.

At the end of the day the only way to get better with women is practice.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was married when I found TRP. I also never really had too many issues prior to marriage. I had been with around 13 girls by 21 when I got married. And before I met my ex, I was spinning 3 women. My ex never cheated on me, nor I her. She was Japanese. Japanese women are probably known for being even more frugal when it comes to cheating and sex than European women. The thing is, how do you know these women friends of yours with "great husbands" don't cheat? How can you guarantee it? You can't. There is no guarantee you could say that would make me believe that you 100% know they haven't. AWALT applies. I'm currently sleeping with a married woman. They will all do it at some point or another.

The best way to look at them is that they are ALL possible attention seekers or hoes regardless if they are. That helps the abundance mindset and helps get rid of oneitis.

Also, I agree with you that some advice on here is garbage. That's why I like TRP (why everyone is posting to asktrp, I dunno) back when it was less than 100k subs and the quality was better. I agree with you nowadays it does feel like a bunch of neckbeard teenager wannabe Alphas posting their one success story or pretending that they know anything about TRP when they haven't even read a book nor the sidebar.

[–]Eldudearino890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Remember we are animals with society norms. We do pair bond, however, we tend to lean to non-monogamous culture regardless of what you believe.

Men are polygamous, and women are hypergamous.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i can guarantee

yeah no.

You do not understand the reason behind AWALT nor its definition. Take your washed up purple pill (which tastes like blue pill) elsewhere. You are not gonna change the facts and observations by thousands of men here. And I am myself not American yet I observe same if not worse patterns in women, just like my brothers in US.

You sound like somebody who just skimmed through basic TRP axioms and got offended and decided to write your uninformed opinion on how the world really is according to you and your 12 friends in your life time. Blue pill glasses are really hard to take off. That's why most men gotta BURN first, usually more than once, to start thinking clearly about women and relationships.

AWALT doesn't mean all women are sluts. AWALT doesn't mean all women cheat. AWALT doesn't mean we are misogynistic pigs who hate women.

Some people get to live up to 100 years and never encounter murder or any serious violence. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that being careful isn't rational decision.

That's what AWALT is in layman's terms - be careful. But you gotta spend more than 10 minutes on TRP to understand this. I personally got it after 2 years of lurking and that was after I learned most of PUA tricks.

[–]thirstybitch130 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah there's nothing keeping you from having this mindset, it just means you're a beta cuck soy boy who doesn't belong here. We will keep on banging girls who beg for our attention and acting like men, and you can keep enjoying sixes, sevens, and some of our leftovers once they've gotten too clingy for us. It's not a problem, man. I'm thrilled there are betas like you who rationalize their male vaginas. It puts you firmly below me in the natural order of things.

[–]MorpheusSwag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are so freaking alpha, must be drowning in HB9.5s

[–]masterpiece000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You seem to young, give it a few years and you'll perceive it differently.

[–]BookyMcBooks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, just wait until a woman you thought was your little princess puts you through the ringer, you'll see things much differently.

[–]SimplyFishOil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I've noticed it, that's why I try to come here and give guys actual good advice

[–]good-look-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

i'm guessing you're new. it's not a nice world, protect yourself.

[–]tinmarFF[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The thing is I never had it easy in my world iam not affraid of it at all. thats why i thought i had few things to share and question in this sub. its not always just blue/red pill in life and for most new guys who seek knowlage about life i believe they often can get lost in here and its a big question when and if they ever get past the anger phase...

[–]good-look0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

getting past the anger stage is crucial to see trp for what it is - just knowledge. sure it sometimes feels extreme but it has to be bc of how the world is rn. in this shitty pc culture iykwim

[–]MorpheusSwag-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy

This sub is so afraid of being cheated on its hilarious

[–]Hyper_Sonik1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Huh? From your comments I am profiling you as a woman or at least very blue pilled. You are constantly using shaming tactics. And, to assert that this sub "is so afraid of being cheated on" shows you are not good at comprehending. These guys aren't "afraid of being cheated on". That would imply they are LTR oriented to begin with and most guys here know LTR''s are a fools errand. They don't avoid LTR''s because of fear, but of understanding female natures tendancy. You come off as butthurt and arrogant.

[–]MorpheusSwag-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This sub teaches people to "act" so they can secure the role of a casual sex partner. I'm not against casual sex or pro-relationship, but I'm very against stringing people along with the hope of a "promotion" to girlfriend. It's lame as fuck and it's all a cover for not getting into a real relationship. Because most people here have had one real relationship and it went bad, and now their fragile egos can't take it. So they act like they don't care anymore and create this insane conspiracy theory about how the women and the world work. Yet theyre in here everyday crying about how a girl they met twice is ghosting them. Y'all catch the feels just like everyone else but you're too pussy to admit it. I'm just tryna curb this behavior to lower the chance my friends, daughters and loved ones run into people like you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Not afraid, just that men usually do not like their resources and time going to waste. Be careful, AWALT, never over-invest.

[–]MorpheusSwag-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Internalizing the phrase "there are plenty of fish in the sea" is a much more efficient use of resources than spending your every waking moment lifting and scouring this blog for ways to be more alpha

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why not do both? Lifting is not just for health, but for status too. Scrawny looking chad < muscular chad. Any day.

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