So is this really the world we live in?

CrazyHorseInvincible · 2019-02-28T03:17:52+00:00

It's called asktrp, not telltrp.

I_Dont_Type · 2019-02-27T12:55:06+00:00

You don’t seem to understand TRP or AWALT. It’s not that all women cheat, it’s that all women are like that. They all get tingles. They all are inspecting your competition. They all will get bored of you the moment you display yourself to not be as high value as they desire.

iLLprincipLeS · 2019-02-27T13:10:15+00:00

The five stages a man goes through in order to become a "red pilled man."

Denial (There’s no denying we’ve all been there)

In psychology, we usually refer to the 5 stages of grief when talking about dealing with loss. In this journey of actualization, you lose a romanticized world view that we commonly refer to as being “blue pilled.” The first thing that happens in these five stages is denial. Maybe you dipped your toe in TRP by reading some of the articles and opinions on this sub and were immediately turned off to how all of the anger phase newbies were spouting hate speech about women. Maybe you were overwhelmed by what you were reading and noticing about life so you closed the book on TRP. Your denial of the truth allows you to go back to blue pilled life for some time, but something may change within you. You realize you lost that part of yourself. Maybe your blue pilled worldview chipped away slowly as you start to realize the truth or maybe experienced a shocking “aha!” moment all at once, and you can’t un-see it anymore. If you don’t get scared and fully ingratiate yourself back into BP culture, you are destined to along with many others to arrive at the same feeling…

Anger: The infamous ”Anger Phase” is not as simple as you think.

When you came to this sub, you may have been going through a rough patch in your life, made primarily by your own choices and your misunderstandings of how human nature works in the context of today’s society. Most people come here because of a woman or because of their continued failure with women in general; having been the “orbiter” or the “nice guy,” or the one that was constantly “taken advantage of” or the one that was cheated on. Maybe you didn’t even know exactly why you started reading the articles, but something resonated with you at a certain point. Maybe some of you were the ones that left for a while, but realize when you open up TRP again, you already had a couple articles dog eared. As you read more and more of the sidebar and people’s own contributions to this sub, your blue pilled version of reality rips apart at its seams and some of you become frustrated. Some of you become angry, and some of you become absolutely livid. You think the about time, the money, and the dedication you wasted in your pursuit of trying to land your Disney level romance with a girl you fantasized over, you think about the peers you had and how some of them were more toxic to your personal development. You unpack intergender dynamics box by box and start to notice the difference between what you saw with your blue colored lens. Your start to view many things in the context of TRP and you become angry at what you have been missing out on, what you have been tricked into believing, what women can get away with in today’s society, but I think most importantly you become angry at yourself. Herein lies the pivotal moment for guys that embrace TRP or pantomime being “red pilled.” Most people go through the motions, riding on the anger high: lift more, read more TRP articles, practice their game, etc; but the true test is understanding the difference between externalizing your anger and epiphanies vs internalizing them (are you angry at society/women/your peers or do you realize that you are angry at yourself and what you did within the context of your own circumstances?) I believe that this is the true test of TRP (the pivotal moment), which is a perfect way to segue into…

Bargaining & Depression (You either die BP or you live long enough to see yourself become RP)

Some of you will inevitably be stuck in this “temporary truce” with yourself where your main goal is to just be good enough so that you’ll mold yourself to be desirable in the context of societal norms. Maybe you had the best intentions for yourself at first and made resolutions so that you would chase the best “you” that you could possibly be: so you go through the motions by exercising, practicing your game, and making yourself better until that one woman “changes everything,” (again), and you slowly devolve back into your prior state. Those of you who go this path will write a couple angry rants about women or society a couple of times, but deep down, still be hoping that there is a unicorn out there; and one day you’ll meet her (or cut the pieces off the puzzle piece to force her to fit that blue pilled worldview of yours). She opens up your eyes to that “better than drugs” feeling of love and affection and once again you view life through blue colored or maybe a slight purple colored lens; but inevitably, most of you will learn the harsh truth once more. Some of you will experience extreme agony or depression with realizing red pilled truths. You will eventually trade in the new worldview to go back to being what you’ve always been used to; a cog in an ever failing but ever churning machine. You’ll be chewed up and spit out only to come back to repeat the process in TRP or some other path, or you’ll be one of the lucky few that blissfully remains ignorant and makes that kind of life work until your passing. This phase is the most important phase because it is what weeds out the weak. It is what makes a person truly “RP” vs those copying RP traits to justify ends (usually it’s to land yourself a steady stream of sex/a romantic partner). For those that truly understand that TRP is a method of tools and a worldview to internalize rather than externalize this anger move on to the final stage of Red Pill:

Acceptance: No longer the sheep, you become the wolf.

You accept that many if not all of the misfortune that you faced was due to your own failures or misgivings. You were the one who decided to orbit the girl in the hopes that she’d defer to you sticking around for her. You were the one who looked away and forgave her for cheating on you, you were the one who chose to continue hanging out with your toxic friends that got you into needless trouble. You were the one who kept putting off improving your own life. You finally understand that your fate is determined by your own decisions and actions. You realize your own empty promises and words ultimately mean nothing without your actions behind them. You finally start to do something not for the sake of bettering yourself to achieve some means to an end (sex); you do it because you want to do it for yourself. You lift because you like how you feel after that workout and how you look better in the mirror every day, you learn how to do new things because of the pragmatic applications (like cooking, working to be the best at your job, survival skills, etc), you have a hobby that makes you genuinely happy devoid of outside influences, and you learn how to lead yourself along with others cause you realize there are those that lead and others who don’t know any better than to follow. You will realize that with personal improvements and a more internalized viewpoint of RP, women, better career opportunities, better income, and better friends come as a byproduct of your successes rather than being the checkboxes to your success. That’s how you truly become Red Pilled; that's how you stay motivated to be the best you can be.

FixYourselfFirst · 2019-02-27T14:21:59+00:00

somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner.

With divorce rates over 50%, that isn't likely.

I got cheated on me as well and also ive cheated alot,

That's exactly why the divorce rates are over 50%. TRP isn't perfect. But it's better than a Disney fairy tale.

L0neWolfAlpha · 2019-02-27T19:52:21+00:00

You know what made me swallow the pill... HEARTBREAK. You got a long way to go OP

leew360 · 2019-02-27T18:30:03+00:00

AWALT doesn't mean every woman cheats. It means every woman has *motivation* to cheat. There are many reasons for women to not cheat, such as:

Social Stigma
Risk to lose financial support
Physically can't find men with higher value than her man
Her value is so low that she can't find high valued men

Take a moment to think about it. What would happen if we romanticize cheating on TV shows and social media, provide welfare to those who don't work, make apps like Tinder to match up people across the country, and sell makeup and plastic surgery to boost women's values?

What could possible go wrong?

AWALT shouldn't even be a thing. We intuitively know it. Our experiences say it. Scientific researches prove it. The only reason that TRP needed to invent a term and chant it like a cult is that almost every single media is telling the opposite. They all try to convince men that if one finds his soulmate/truelove/oneitis they'll be happy together... forever. AWALT, as a concept, is a desperate attempt to counteract the ever lasting brainwashing.

MattyAnon · 2019-02-27T17:02:34+00:00

but still this TRP method doenst always look like ultimate guide to women and men relationships.

TRP isn't a method so much as "here is reality". It's admittedly very short on plans, methods and techniques and that's because it's up to you to work this out for your life and your reality. We do tell you the basics and the universal facts though.

The thing is Iam from eastern Europe and most ways some of the guys describe women in this sub do not apply to women I've met

Because NAWALT? come on, you're not that naive.

who i can guarantee they dont cheat on.

Seriously? How can you know this? You're sounding naive now.

From them ive learned that not every girl i meet is a hoe or attention seeking brat... I may be wrong but often it seems that these rules more often apply to the women from USA and western culture millenials.

Women present one side of themselves to you. When you're not around, they present another side. These girls all have facebook and IG accounts, many have Tinder, they're getting their attention and validation needs fully met and that's why you don't think they are needy or attention seeking.

I just dont want some young guys to get the whole idea of women as someone who will cheat on you no matter what you do

Most women will cheat sooner or later. The more you commit, the more beta you are, the more inclined she is to cheat.

but somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner.

Statistically untrue: There is not a good woman for every man. There are very, very few decent women worthy of a LTR, so most men will not have one.

YungNblessed · 2019-02-27T18:46:09+00:00

Wait how can you "guarantee" that these women do not cheat on their "good guy" husbands? What does "good guy" even mean. If a smart women wants to cheat, SHE WILL, and no one will ever know.

I'm still new to TRP but what I've gained is that this is my life and this shit is about me. I have to own my shit, and everything else including women will fall into place.

Your post has women as the center piece and not the man. I don't care if young guys think women are fucked up (they are), I'm more concerned that young men see themselves as the prize and stop giving all power to the pussy and doing things like committing suicide because of it. Too many beta nice guys in society and not only are men suffering because of it but society as a whole is declining.

itiswr1tten · 2019-02-27T13:29:39+00:00

TRP attracts a pretty wide audience. The reason we point and flair particular people is exactly what you described - there are a shit load of raging woman haters, paper alphas, incels, and other forms of subterranean life posting nonsense. They're best to be ignored.

If you read enough, you'll see flared and unflaired guys dishing really good advice. None of them hate women.

mrmaldoror · 2019-02-27T12:42:57+00:00

What is your point?

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2019-02-27T16:23:29+00:00

Lol TRP applies Very much to eastern European women lol

elgodo7 · 2019-02-27T18:04:35+00:00

Your experience is different as you live in the east. Women are more loyal and feminine over there. Western girls are the ones that are more fucked up as their is a rise in feminism here and women want to be men.

A lot of guys go to the east to find wives from the west for good reason.

JuliusTestvola · 2019-02-27T18:52:11+00:00

Eastern Europe is much different place than the west. Come to the west get demoralized by media and degraded by liberalism. Experience this for a few years then tell me what your view of the world is.

Chad_pronouns · 2019-02-27T23:07:19+00:00

eastern Europe

There it is right there. Eastern European women are still women. TRP is a response to the rampant decline of relations between the sexes and rise of feminism in the west. You don't have this problem over in Eastern Europe. Your women are still "women" and it is likely that you can develop a meaningful relationship with your women without resorting to TRP tactics.

xx-Rain_Maker-xx · 2019-02-27T17:03:06+00:00

As the top comment pointed out. You don't seem to understand the AWALT term. In males, for example, we would rather have several sex partners at the same time, yet you see a lot of men in monogynous relationships. It doesn't mean that those guys wouldn't like more sex partners, it's just that they rationally cohib that feeling. Women do the same.

centaursg · 2019-02-27T17:24:00+00:00

The core principle of TRP is to prioritize yourself above everything else. Good things will follow you..I agree to most comments here and you should give it a few years and then you should see..

Velebit · 2019-02-27T18:46:20+00:00

These are tactics for men to protect themselves in a gynocentric world so they do not get strung along, to not get falsley accused, divorce raped and to increase their overall value in world over time.

I am from Balkans and most girls I have been are foreign tourists, I have to agree that most of the 'toxic' and 'misogynistic' element applies to western women (80%) and to black women (100%) their behaviors and expectations are different and also western white men are raised to put women on pedestal so once they are taken down from it those men feel hate.

In my culture it is very weird to pay for women anything and it is a cultural shock learning that it is normal for some foreign places that women want you to pay. It is weird reading how many guys here mostly from countries that were once patriarchal (my never was), that it a given that if you are going out and not getting sex, you are wasting and being beta. Those same guys get to my country and when they buy local girl a drink, they appear beta.

There are many cultural fails here and many things do not work at all cross culturally. Because I based my game on what westerners say, I find it hard to find success with local girls because I appear as a fuckboi and they are HEAVILY indoctrinated to avoid those guys while western women eat it up.

It is also important to understand that men in west where state is not as corrupt as east European ones, people take social laws very seriously. Doing a crime, taking a bribe, or cheating in a relationship is taken more seriously. East Europeans are half assed about everything so them being failurey at dozens of critically important things in life (like marriage or profession) is taken as normal and people can be corrupt or cheaters and feel normal and their friends also don't judge them as much.

Western populations have less tolerance of hypocrisy so they take harder learning women are not this rock they can lean on to help them face life but rather a liability always on the lookout for a better deal.

red_matrix · 2019-02-27T21:44:15+00:00

Read the Book of Pook and then come back here and talk more. You don’t seem to be getting any of this.

Shyrk · 2019-02-27T15:06:37+00:00

Have you read the sidebar material?

wanderer779 · 2019-02-27T15:08:14+00:00

With any sort of philosophy it's important to separate the system from the practitioners, and often people don't. You see it with rellgion, "catholicism is bullshit cause pedophilia", politics, "so and so said a racial slur, conservatives are bigots" and so on . There are idiots everywhere, there's no way you're gonna keep 'em out. So saying that TRP system is BS cause of a comment you read here or there isn't a valid argument. To invalidate the system you would need to argue the sidebar. You'd also need to contend with guys who've tried all this stuff and seen it work.

ddiogenesofsinope · 2019-02-27T16:17:59+00:00

and these women have decent guys as their husband who i can guarantee they dont cheat on

How are you certain of this?

You have missed a key RP principle. She is not yours, its only your turn.

There are plenty of decent women around, providing times are good. When your circumstances change, you will be shocked at what they will do to get out and get into a better position. There are plenty of cases on here and IRL of a husband losing money, becoming disabled or becoming a beta and the woman, rather than sticking it out and finding a solution, dumping him like a sack of potatoes.

True RP guys don't hate women, we are past that. We understand their nature and plan accordingly.

SirAttackHelicopter · 2019-02-27T16:59:33+00:00

No, it's much worse. The only way for people to learn the truth is to experience the doublestandards themselves.

vivid_mind · 2019-02-27T17:39:06+00:00

You have some idealistic views of ee women. The truth is AWALT. They don't cheat because there is no good dick around or the fear of being ostracized is bigger than the lust. I had some ee female friends when I was in friend zone and been giving them an arm to cry on. This was eye opening stuff. You would swear on your life they wouldn't have cheated, but it is all the same. I think the more impoverished country they live in the more careful they are to no lose their beta provider. In this regard women in South America are pretty much the same as in EE.

VigilantSmartbomb · 2019-02-27T19:12:19+00:00

If you woulda left out the last two paragraphs you woulda had more upvotes

professor_mcamateur · 2019-02-27T19:15:29+00:00

yup it's western culture that is crumbling due to feminism and liberalism etc.

theherosmyth · 2019-02-27T19:59:50+00:00

"this TRP method doenst always look like ultimate guide to women and men relationships."

Depends what your goals are. It certainly is not meant to get you to the "let's all be equal, happy wife happy life" type of relationship. Do you have an example?

"I also had few girls that were my life long friends, some helped me more then other guys who i considered friends"

I can't speak for the rest of the red pill men but I'll never claim women can't be decent human beings.

"and these women have decent guys as their husband who i can guarantee they dont cheat on."

No you can't. Don't be so arrogant to assume you can ever know people's intentions.

"I just dont want some young guys to get the whole idea of women as someone who will cheat on you no matter what you do, this is from my experience and ofcourse i may be wrong, I got cheated on me as well and also ive cheated alot, but somehow if you really want it, you can find a decent women to be your life long partner. "

I'm not trying to get you with your own words but I think your choice of language is noteworthy. "I've cheated, I've been cheated on, but somehow if you really want it you can find someone decent. Somehow." You make it sound like an unlikely triumph lol.

I think it's been said but it bears repeating. The point of the red pill is not "all women are cheating sluts so just work on your pecs so their cunts get wet and then fuck em and chuck em." I bet there's some of that rhetoric here, though. The point is to see women for what they really are, instead of the PC version we've been told by society they are. To understand their behavior from an evo/psych perspective. Certain traits and behaviors have been hard wired in them because it makes it more likely for them and their offspring to survive. Like hypergamy. A woman's tendency to select a mate across or up from her current mate in the dominance hierarchy. Or the dualistic mating strategy, meaning they find one type of man suitable to reproduce with, and another type of man suitable to provide for her and her offspring, and they don't necessarily have to be the same guy.

This is an example of some aspects of the woman's mating strategy. It's the programming in their head, but it does not mean they can't help but comply with it. I advice you to read the sidebar to get an idea of what the red pill is about instead instead of judging it by the remarks of some of its members.

[deleted] · 2019-02-27T20:17:58+00:00

TRP it's just a guideline. It's not hard rules. Every situation is different.

One thing I find is that men do infact shit test women, but it's not discussed much here. I shit test by being weak sometimes. If the woman stays with me then I know she's a good woman. I also shit test by being strong and assertive. If she does anything other than be submissive then I know she doesn't think I have a higher SMV and I either work on that by causing dread or I leave.

At the end of the day the only way to get better with women is practice.

Moldy_Gecko · 2019-02-27T20:35:24+00:00

I was married when I found TRP. I also never really had too many issues prior to marriage. I had been with around 13 girls by 21 when I got married. And before I met my ex, I was spinning 3 women. My ex never cheated on me, nor I her. She was Japanese. Japanese women are probably known for being even more frugal when it comes to cheating and sex than European women. The thing is, how do you know these women friends of yours with "great husbands" don't cheat? How can you guarantee it? You can't. There is no guarantee you could say that would make me believe that you 100% know they haven't. AWALT applies. I'm currently sleeping with a married woman. They will all do it at some point or another.

The best way to look at them is that they are ALL possible attention seekers or hoes regardless if they are. That helps the abundance mindset and helps get rid of oneitis.

Also, I agree with you that some advice on here is garbage. That's why I like TRP (why everyone is posting to asktrp, I dunno) back when it was less than 100k subs and the quality was better. I agree with you nowadays it does feel like a bunch of neckbeard teenager wannabe Alphas posting their one success story or pretending that they know anything about TRP when they haven't even read a book nor the sidebar.

Eldudearino89 · 2019-02-27T21:11:27+00:00

Remember we are animals with society norms. We do pair bond, however, we tend to lean to non-monogamous culture regardless of what you believe.

Men are polygamous, and women are hypergamous.

wobbleelbbow · 2019-02-27T22:40:25+00:00

i can guarantee

yeah no.

You do not understand the reason behind AWALT nor its definition. Take your washed up purple pill (which tastes like blue pill) elsewhere. You are not gonna change the facts and observations by thousands of men here. And I am myself not American yet I observe same if not worse patterns in women, just like my brothers in US.

You sound like somebody who just skimmed through basic TRP axioms and got offended and decided to write your uninformed opinion on how the world really is according to you and your 12 friends in your life time. Blue pill glasses are really hard to take off. That's why most men gotta BURN first, usually more than once, to start thinking clearly about women and relationships.

AWALT doesn't mean all women are sluts. AWALT doesn't mean all women cheat. AWALT doesn't mean we are misogynistic pigs who hate women.

Some people get to live up to 100 years and never encounter murder or any serious violence. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that being careful isn't rational decision.

That's what AWALT is in layman's terms - be careful. But you gotta spend more than 10 minutes on TRP to understand this. I personally got it after 2 years of lurking and that was after I learned most of PUA tricks.

thirstybitch13 · 2019-02-27T17:36:50+00:00

Yeah there's nothing keeping you from having this mindset, it just means you're a beta cuck soy boy who doesn't belong here. We will keep on banging girls who beg for our attention and acting like men, and you can keep enjoying sixes, sevens, and some of our leftovers once they've gotten too clingy for us. It's not a problem, man. I'm thrilled there are betas like you who rationalize their male vaginas. It puts you firmly below me in the natural order of things.

masterpiece00 · 2019-02-27T14:52:01+00:00

You seem to young, give it a few years and you'll perceive it differently.

SimplyFishOil · 2019-02-27T15:38:19+00:00

Yeah I've noticed it, that's why I try to come here and give guys actual good advice

good-look · 2019-02-27T14:21:45+00:00

i'm guessing you're new. it's not a nice world, protect yourself.

MorpheusSwag · 2019-02-27T19:58:57+00:00

This sub is so afraid of being cheated on its hilarious

Title	So is this really the world we live in?
Author	tinmarFF
Upvotes	134
Comments	131
Date	February 27, 2019 12:40 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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